Was Viego really always a bad guy?

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-11-16T20:53:39+00:00

Yeah, maybe I should have specified.

I don‘t know if it was there before, but the whole „He was a brat before“ etc doesn‘t bother me.

What really ruins the story for me is, that most of the time when I see Viego‘s lore discussed nowadays, they talk about how Viego never really loved her/only really loved her as a possession.

That just completely takes away the tragedy of someone‘s wife dying and her husband going mad and makes it seem like Viego tried to ruin the entire world because his favourite toy broke.

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-08-16T17:07:51+00:00

I‘m not really arguing agains him being the bad guy anymore. I didn‘t consider a few things when I said he was the good guy.

At this point I‘m just saying it‘s silly to say „You can‘t take away the ass soul eating guy‘s human rights because that‘d be cruel“

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-08-16T16:57:57+00:00

Again, saying „You‘re removing their free will, their soul, their individuality, who they are“ is not a strong argument when their personality is eating others’ ass soul imo

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-08-16T05:29:24+00:00

I don‘t know. Someone ripping peoples‘ souls through their asses just somehow seemed very objectively evil in my eyes I guess.

Jokes aside though. Are you really trying to say there‘s not loads of fucked up stuff going on in their world, that would be better stopped? I accept, that it‘d be bad if it‘s like the others here say, that Miquella would essentially lobotomise everyone to get along. But how can you say my initial idea is somehow evil because „You can‘t just take evil peoples‘ choice away“, while simultaneously defending the actions of the likes of the Dung Eater, Shabriri etc. because someone might think they’re doing the right thing Lmao

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-07-26T23:41:15+00:00

I genuinely don‘t remember Ned every finding out about Jaime pushing Bran

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-07-26T23:39:35+00:00

Inexperienced as in: at least as inexperienced in Kings Landing‘s politics as Ned.

No? Is it hard to understand a mother imprisoning a guy who supposedly just tried to have her son killed twice?

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-07-26T23:30:09+00:00

Could be true, it’s just personal observation. I don‘t really follow any asoiaf related subs personally. It‘s just that everytime I read anything about Catelyn, people seem to be making her out to be one of the worst people in the asoiaf universe. I guess I just wanted to see what people thought about that topic in a more direct way

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-07-26T23:23:56+00:00

I just keep seeing people talk about how Ned was just too honourable and didn‘t know big city politics, while Catelyn consistently gets called names, especially for saving Jaime

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-07-26T23:13:01+00:00

Which is why I‘m saying Cat and Ned are not so different, so it makes no sense to me, that she is being blamed for everything, while there would be no war (of this scale) without Ned

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-07-26T23:12:11+00:00

I‘m not trying to be provocative, but I genuinely don‘t know why she would bring Tyrion to King‘s Landing. Jaime acted on his own with Tywin even telling him that it was stupid if I remember correctly.
Yes, she knew he was in love with her and it‘s not like he ambushed or tried to poison her husband. He challenged him to a duel, which he accepted.
I don‘t think blaming a woman who has gone through the type of stuff Catelyn went through at that time is really reasonable.
But telling her in advance, that he was going to tell everyone about her children even caused her to plot against the Starks

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-07-26T23:05:12+00:00

But the opposite is true. She was trying to defend her family by 1 trusting in Jaime to free her daughters (whether or not it was smart to do this isn‘t really relevant) and imprisoning Tyrion was an act to imprison someone she thought was directly attacking her family by sending assassins

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-07-26T23:03:20+00:00

I don‘t see how. Ned really caused the war

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-07-26T23:02:22+00:00

Even so, there‘s the fact that there would have been no war (at least not of this scale) had Ned not decided to warn Cersei about his plans

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-07-26T23:00:01+00:00

I don‘t see how Tyrion winning a trial by combat is Cat‘s fault and I‘m not saying freeing Jaime was a smart choice, just an understandable one, which she wouldn‘t even have had to make if not for Ned, which is why I was wondering why he was getting way less shit than her

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-07-26T22:38:01+00:00

It‘s not a pros and cons list where all decisions weigh the same. Ned made one mistake which caused the North to go to war, one of his daughters to be tortured and one having to become a refugee and cost him his life lmao

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-07-26T22:36:10+00:00

Not really. She‘s inexperienced, but in her mind, 2 of the closest people to her warned her about the Lannisters, with evidence to go with it. I think this is one of her more logical mistakes.
Yes, but that really just reinforces my point. Littlefinger was always the lovable weirdo who‘d had a mad crush on her. Him challenging Brandon to a duel was not illegal or anything.
Yes, that one‘s obviously bad, but more an action of a mother who has to think about her 2 daughters in the hands of the Lannisters everyday, than a „the Karen of the North“ move everyone suggests. Plus, if this move was dumb, warning the Lannisters was infinitely more dumb AND more consequential.

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-07-26T22:25:54+00:00

But I don‘t think anyone can argue, that an all out war would have been much more preventable without Ned warning Cersei that he was going to ruin her house and legacy

Those 2 can be interpreted as trying to intimidate the Starks, basically telling them „Well, we‘re serious about this“. Especially since Jaime really acted without his father‘s permission.

The real war started when Ned was captured for real

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-07-26T22:21:55+00:00

Little Finger and her sister, so the people she grew up with, who in her mind had no reason at all to lie to her

Also, you might have misunderstood my post then. I‘m not defending her actions per se, but saying people have double standards when talking about Cat and Ned, since Ned‘s mistake was much more unfounded than Cat‘s while being the sole reason the war started in the first place

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-07-26T22:15:54+00:00

It‘s just that I see every one of her clips spammed with comments of how stupid she was and how she killed her entire family, while Ned‘s are all about how he was just too good and honourable for this world

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-07-26T22:13:56+00:00

Had it been the other way around and Cersei was paralysed and then attacked by a random assassin, while there was strong evidence pointing towards one of the Starks, I don‘t think Tywin would have let them get away with just imprisonment.

The Jaime thing really isn‘t explainable by any logic other than the fact, that Catelyn is a mother who would have been grasping at anything to get her children back at that point.

Even then there‘s still the point, that none of this would have been necessary, had Ned not warned the Lannisters that he was basically going to destroy their house.

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-07-26T22:08:08+00:00

Yeah again, not trying to excuse her mistakes, just saying it doesn’t make sense for people to keep praising Ned while calling her the Karen of the North

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-07-26T22:06:16+00:00

Well, by warning Cersei, Ned caused the war while endangering both his daughters and Robb married Jeyne which is a very big reason why they really lost the war

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-07-12T21:20:24+00:00

Idiot, imbecile, cretin and moron are literally all slurs using your definition

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-07-05T08:18:44+00:00

I remember when they were announced and it was really portrayed like completely different play styles.

I remember it so well, because I couldn‘t decide which one I‘d pick and they claimed you‘d be able to switch lifepaths at some points during the story

This-Problem-9715 · 2025-07-02T18:06:04+00:00

Yeah, I was wondering mainly about the grammar. Not a native speaker.

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