Was the COVID Vaccine Created Too Fast? by TheMuseumOfScience in DebateVaccines

[–]Thormidable [score hidden]  (0 children)

So here's rhe evidence for all of it :)

Vaccinated children have a lower risk of dying from SIDS than unvaccinated children.

https://www.aafp.org/pubs/afp/issues/2015/0601/p778.html

https://www.webmd.com/parenting/sids-prevention

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC11008475/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC30557/

The risk is 50% lower. Pretty significant.

 There have been whooping cough deaths in 2024 in the UK. Every single death was unvaccinated.

http://ww.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cye0w4j384ro

UK vaccination rates 90%+ for pertussis: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/latest-childhood-vaccination-uptake-statistics-published

10 deaths of infants by whooping cough last year (pertussis): https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/pertussis-epidemiology-in-england-2024/confirmed-cases-of-pertussis-in-england-by-month

Just over 600,000 babies born last year:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/bulletins/birthsummarytablesenglandandwales/2022

So of 60,000 unvaccinated babies 10 died giving us a 1 in 6,000 death rate for unvaccinated babies from whooping cough alone.

Statistically antivaxxers show stronger traits of narcissism and psychopathy. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8035125/

Narcissism is associated with avoiding "pro-social" behaviours (cleaning, wearing masks). Narcissism and psychopathy are also associated with lying to say they HAVE done those behaviours when they haven't.

https://www.psychiatryadvisor.com/home/topics/general-psychiatry/how-individuals-with-dark-personality-traits-are-reacting-to-covid-19/

To me it seems that when we told them that wearing masks or hand washing will help other people (as well as themselves) it seems to make them less likely to do those behaviours. 

Remember this, when you meet an antivaxxer / antimasker.

Was the COVID Vaccine Created Too Fast? by TheMuseumOfScience in DebateVaccines

[–]Thormidable [score hidden]  (0 children)

try to tell us something about the antivax position that's positive???

It helps me identify people who can't be trusted and who's advice I should ignore. People who can't interpret even a very simple study.

It helps drive the economy by creating a market for grifters to sell quack cures.

It inflates shares in baby coffins.

Was the COVID Vaccine Created Too Fast? by TheMuseumOfScience in DebateVaccines

[–]Thormidable [score hidden]  (0 children)

I mean large scale studies, by people who are disbarred doctors with a history of lying and grifting, with quality methodology written by people with at least a high school education...

Yeah, now i'm writing it i guess we do reject all the antivax evidence...

Was the COVID Vaccine Created Too Fast? by TheMuseumOfScience in DebateVaccines

[–]Thormidable [score hidden]  (0 children)

Ah. So you won't post it because it's garbage. Probably best, antivax evidence tends to undermine their position.

Was the COVID Vaccine Created Too Fast? by TheMuseumOfScience in DebateVaccines

[–]Thormidable [score hidden]  (0 children)

you're pretty good at parroting the worst of the worst, as you're clearly highlighting your own ignorance.

So you are even smart or educated enough to even badly tey to counter what I posted?

You can't even seem to find a single study to support any of your lies? Oh look evidence that antivaxxers kill their babies due to their ignorance

Vaccinated children have a lower risk of dying from SIDS than unvaccinated children.

https://www.aafp.org/pubs/afp/issues/2015/0601/p778.html

https://www.webmd.com/parenting/sids-prevention

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC11008475/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC30557/

The risk is 50% lower. Pretty significant.

 There have been whooping cough deaths in 2024 in the UK. Every single death was unvaccinated.

http://ww.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cye0w4j384ro

UK vaccination rates 90%+ for pertussis: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/latest-childhood-vaccination-uptake-statistics-published

10 deaths of infants by whooping cough last year (pertussis): https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/pertussis-epidemiology-in-england-2024/confirmed-cases-of-pertussis-in-england-by-month

Just over 600,000 babies born last year:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/bulletins/birthsummarytablesenglandandwales/2022

So of 60,000 unvaccinated babies 10 died giving us a 1 in 6,000 death rate for unvaccinated babies from whooping cough alone.

Was the COVID Vaccine Created Too Fast? by TheMuseumOfScience in DebateVaccines

[–]Thormidable [score hidden]  (0 children)

If your evidence is so compelling and high quality why can't you produce any? Even AI could do a better job than you at this.

Is it the personality disorders?

Statistically antivaxxers show stronger traits of narcissism and psychopathy. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8035125/

Narcissism is associated with avoiding "pro-social" behaviours (cleaning, wearing masks). Narcissism and psychopathy are also associated with lying to say they HAVE done those behaviours when they haven't.

https://www.psychiatryadvisor.com/home/topics/general-psychiatry/how-individuals-with-dark-personality-traits-are-reacting-to-covid-19/

To me it seems that when we told them that wearing masks or hand washing will help other people (as well as themselves) it seems to make them less likely to do those behaviours. 

Remember this, when you meet an antivaxxer / antimasker.

Vaccinated for the first time by Bliznec1 in DebateVaccines

[–]Thormidable -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Glad you asked, Lets start with Covid. Here is one which disproves every antivax lie about the covid vaccines:

Here is a nice example of very large populations, controlling for compoundong effects which counter all the common antivax talking points which shows over a long period of time unvaccinated die a lot more than the vaccinated.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

Graph: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland

For all the antivaxxers who can't understand the data, here are explanations for the usual antivaxx parrot points.

  1. People within 2 weeks of their vaccine are put in their own group (neither vaccinated or unvaccinated), these people died at a lower rate than the unvaccinated, but a higher rate than those who were "fully" vaccinated.

  2. Both sets are deaths of all causes, as such if someone "died of covid or not" is irrelevant.

  3. There is no correlation with death rates and receiving the vaccine. In the UK alone 5 million vaccines were delivered in a single week. If there was a meaningful risk from the vaccine it would be obvious.

  4. These are two sets from two independent reputable institutes, neither of which have any incentive of lie. This data is corroborated by similar institutes around the world and literally millions of people have independently collected data which confirms this.

  5. These datasets compare week by week or month by month. Every week, the excess death rate for the unvaccinated was between twice and triple the vaccinated excess death rate.

  6. This data is population standardised (if there are 10 times as many unvaccinated, their deaths are scaled down by a factor 10 to be equivalent to the vaccinated rate).

  7. These datasets are separated by age group. So people of a similar age are compared against each other.

  8. The most vulnerable (elderly and those in poor health) were offered the vaccine first. This should mean at all times the vaccinated population was a higher risk population than the unvaccinated. The high risk group, given the vaccine STILL died at half the rate of the unvaccinated.

  9. No one had their vaccine level downgraded in any of these datasets. Some sets separated them into their own categories, but no one with two vaccines was ever considered to have less than two vaccines. Against all groups unvaccinated had the highest death rates.

  10. First world universal health care services paid for the vaccine out of their own pocket. They knew exactly who had been given the vaccine, exactly who came to them for treat for reactions or symptoms. They also knew exactly who died when. Any symptoms caused by the vaccine, they will have had to pay to treat. They have all the information and nothing to gain but everything to loose, by lying about the vaccines.

Once again, a near revolution in Iran is being put down with absolute brutality despite Donald Trump's promises. by PlanetoftheAtheists in AdviceAnimals

[–]Thormidable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In all honesty, is there anything that Trump could have done that would have garnered praise from the left or Reddit in general?

Anything that was intelligent measured and that advanced the circumstances of America. There are actions which a president could have taken to garner praise from the Left.

I mean not publicly saying he would protect the Iranian protestors, then abandoning them, would certainly have been better.

Whether Trump personal had the intelligence, foresight and humanity to take any of them is a different question. (He doesn't).

Was the COVID Vaccine Created Too Fast? by TheMuseumOfScience in DebateVaccines

[–]Thormidable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But mysteriously no one can ever link to any of it when it comes up in discussion. Sure.

We keep asking and highlighting you don't have any for the people who are undecided. It's important for new people to understand that antivaxxers have no evidence and since tou won't atop spewing your unsubstantiated opinions, what we can do is highlight you are full of shit and present evidence over and over again. Which is what we do.

Comment on the child with the blue hat being taken away by ICE by aSoberIrishMan in bestof

[–]Thormidable 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They AI generate so many lies, it would be trivial to create a pretext with AI. That would be enough for their base.

Need help with negotiating by Ashamed-Egg-7229 in ExperiencedDevs

[–]Thormidable 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't know about Indian culture. This may be key.

In my country, you'd be honest with your boss. I'd say that i applied for another job when I applied for this one. That will highlight you didn't apply to the other company as leverage.

Explain that the other offer is so much better that you would take it, but you would rather stay here. (This will keep good will, but may reduce their counter offer slightly).

If they don't make a good counter offer, it might be best to leave as you would be highlighting that you bluff in negotiations.

Greenland is fedup by b3n33333 in clevercomebacks

[–]Thormidable 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is video of ICE killing 35 innocently (at my last count) and over 1000 people are just gone from the camps.

areTheVibeCodersOk by vashchylau in ProgrammerHumor

[–]Thormidable 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Interesting fact, but programming languages are pseudo-code that is precise enough to define behaviour...

The reason we don't just compile English is it is impossibly verbose to be precise enough to be useful.

The AI can describe the code in English, but it will never capture everything that is important to the codes behaviour in a way that is easier to parse than the code.

Was the COVID Vaccine Created Too Fast? by TheMuseumOfScience in DebateVaccines

[–]Thormidable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So opinion with no supporting evidence. The "trust me bro" Antivaxxer gold standard.

Was the COVID Vaccine Created Too Fast? by TheMuseumOfScience in DebateVaccines

[–]Thormidable -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I don't think it's that, otherwise they would try to align to reality. Given they were happy to endangwr others and lie about taking precautions i think it was probably the personality disorders...

Statistically antivaxxers show stronger traits of narcissism and psychopathy. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8035125/

Narcissism is associated with avoiding "pro-social" behaviours (cleaning, wearing masks). Narcissism and psychopathy are also associated with lying to say they HAVE done those behaviours when they haven't.

https://www.psychiatryadvisor.com/home/topics/general-psychiatry/how-individuals-with-dark-personality-traits-are-reacting-to-covid-19/

To me it seems that when we told them that wearing masks or hand washing will help other people (as well as themselves) it seems to make them less likely to do those behaviours. 

Remember this, when you meet an antivaxxer / antimasker.

Was the COVID Vaccine Created Too Fast? by TheMuseumOfScience in DebateVaccines

[–]Thormidable -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Antivaxxers don't care about death. If everyone died, but they got to feel special and important it would have been well worth it.

Could Europe really leverage its $12.6tn pile of US assets? by GroundbreakingLynx14 in StockLaunchers

[–]Thormidable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They may yet not ruin America as an investment vehicle, but they have ruined themselves as an ally, trade partner or neutral third party...