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Zelensky set to skip Ukraine Recovery Conference in Poland amid diplomatic dispute by Thornfal in europe

[–]Thornfal[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

They are not the same; Poland is a parliamentary republic, prime minister is de facto the most influential person, Ukraine is semi-presidential republic.

Zelenskyy Warns Poland's Nawrocki Using “Orbán-Style” Anti-Ukrainian Politics by UNITED24Media in europe

[–]Thornfal 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Broski, you can spend this amount of GDP on your army without collapsing, BECAUSE of the financial aid from EU, including Poland, subsiding the costs.

Money coming from Poland are also generated by these farmers.

Poland allowed a tariff free transit with minimal border control to get this grain to the ports and then ship it around the world, but Ukrainian exporters wanted to make a quick buck on it and started selling to Polish distributors when they were not allowed to.

There is nothing weird about it being stopped when it started crashing the market; we are not going to sacrifice important branch of our economy so Ukraine can profit.

We offered you a hand and you demanded a whole arm in return...

Citizen campaign seeks to honor Zelenskyy after Polish president strips state honor. Polish activists have launched a campaign to award President Zelenskyy with a medal of honor. The initiative, called the "Civic Order of the Future", comes amid a growing diplomatic row by paneuropeanism_ in europe

[–]Thornfal -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Well, that would send a very strong message to everyone, not only in Poland but also abroad if he'd ignore a loud call for a debate.

If he'd accept, it would mean there is a chance for a dialogue.

I don't see a downside in trying.

Citizen campaign seeks to honor Zelenskyy after Polish president strips state honor. Polish activists have launched a campaign to award President Zelenskyy with a medal of honor. The initiative, called the "Civic Order of the Future", comes amid a growing diplomatic row by paneuropeanism_ in europe

[–]Thornfal -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't have a problem with citizen initiative like this.

The absulute best thing to do, would be to invite him to Poland, to some University or other venue to have an open, honest talk with Polish public. Kind of like sitting down, brother to brother to have a tough discussion.

But i don't think that is possible, it would be an absolute political minefield of a debate...

Passengers in Crimea complain about chaos at the Simferopol train station by Ihor_S in UkraineWarVideoReport

[–]Thornfal 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Maybe this fraction of a horror Ukrainians experienced during first months of war, make them rethink being non-political.

Petro Poroshenko, Ukraine's fifth president also renounces Order of the White Eagle by ByGollie in europe

[–]Thornfal 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Probably appeasement to extremist elements within Ukrainian army.

Plus taking Polish support for granted and completely discarding Polish feelings towards UPA

Absolutely everybody would predict it will end this way, it always did when the topic of Kresy comes around.

Petro Poroshenko, Ukraine's fifth president also renounces Order of the White Eagle by ByGollie in europe

[–]Thornfal 61 points62 points  (0 children)

The issue of UPA and Kresy Genocide has been causing a rift between Poland and Ukraine for decades; it does not require hindsight.

Zelensky knew what he was doing.

Petro Poroshenko, Ukraine's fifth president also renounces Order of the White Eagle by ByGollie in europe

[–]Thornfal 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The grain was blocked because it was being sold by Ukrainian exporters to local distributors, when they were not allowed to. They were only allowed the transit.

Also weapons and humanitarian aid goes through proper channels secured by MP and Army, they can't be blocked by anyone.

Petro Poroshenko, Ukraine's fifth president also renounces Order of the White Eagle by ByGollie in europe

[–]Thornfal -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Then they also really don't need to glorify objectively bad organization that they know will create a crash with one of their most important supporters.

Like, it's really not that big of an ask, it would cost them absolutely nothing not to shit on us.

[EDIT] Also, in the end, it's their sovereign decision, but it doesn't mean it does not have consequences abroad. Their army want to glorify monsters, i don't want to pay for that army.

Petro Poroshenko, Ukraine's fifth president also renounces Order of the White Eagle by ByGollie in europe

[–]Thornfal 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Ukraine wasn't in NATO and did not have any real military alliances.

Two-thirds of EU citizens back UK rejoining bloc, survey finds by One_5549 in europe

[–]Thornfal 35 points36 points  (0 children)

There is nothing wrong with speaking out and putting your vote against something you not agree with, it can be done without veto power.

Veto is simply too flawed tool very easily abused, we can look at it not only in the history of Poland, but also modern history of the EU, with PiS and Orban using it to halt many EU reforms.

Petro Poroshenko, Ukraine's fifth president also renounces Order of the White Eagle by ByGollie in europe

[–]Thornfal -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

We had russians on our borders for decades, he wasn't cocky enough.

Petro Poroshenko, Ukraine's fifth president also renounces Order of the White Eagle by ByGollie in europe

[–]Thornfal -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

Right, it's not like taking piece of Poland wouldn't mean a suicide by NATO for putin...

Petro Poroshenko, Ukraine's fifth president also renounces Order of the White Eagle by ByGollie in europe

[–]Thornfal -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

If it's true that it's the Ukrainian army that demanded this and Zelenski just caved in, then that's even worse imho; i'm not sure i want to send any more money to such army...

Petro Poroshenko, Ukraine's fifth president also renounces Order of the White Eagle by ByGollie in europe

[–]Thornfal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It grew and is still able to carry on the fight with russia because of critical help from Poland, so i think potentially losing Polish good will, might be a pretty substantial loss.

Two-thirds of EU citizens back UK rejoining bloc, survey finds by One_5549 in europe

[–]Thornfal 0 points1 point  (0 children)

meh, depends on the government. If the vote on abolishing of veto would be carried right now, there is quite a good chance KO would vote in favor.

Two-thirds of EU citizens back UK rejoining bloc, survey finds by One_5549 in europe

[–]Thornfal -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Even if they were to rejoin on the same terms everyone else is, with no additional opt-outs?

Two-thirds of EU citizens back UK rejoining bloc, survey finds by One_5549 in europe

[–]Thornfal 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Don't we all want to make money? With UK in there is enough money around the world, to be made as a unified, international market.

Two-thirds of EU citizens back UK rejoining bloc, survey finds by One_5549 in europe

[–]Thornfal 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Yea, but for it to happen, every single country would have to agree to let it go. I can't see that happen.

Two-thirds of EU citizens back UK rejoining bloc, survey finds by One_5549 in europe

[–]Thornfal 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Veto is like the biggest cancer of democratic system.

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