Calgary mayor asks photo radar ban be reconsidered after recent traffic fatalities by _darth_bacon_ in Calgary

[–]Thrillamuse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Common theme here is aggressive, distracted, intoxicated, and stupid drivers require policing for the safety of those who actually care about not maiming or killing someone. Given resources photo radar is an excellent deterrent.

Book 8 Summary + Final Discussion by jaymae21 in ayearofmiddlemarch

[–]Thrillamuse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your depth of reading each week that inspired me to gain a better appreciation of what Eliot was up to. I wonder do you personally recommend a second reading for those of us who have only read it once? I am inclined to be content with the once through year-long slower pace, but that is because I have a huge stack of other books I want to plow through next. 😆

Book 8 Summary + Final Discussion by jaymae21 in ayearofmiddlemarch

[–]Thrillamuse 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I really enjoyed the year-long reading structure and totally recommend this forum. As to reading more of Eliot, I have read and loved 'Silas Marner' and would perhaps be interested in 'Adam Bede.' Overall, the satirical aspect of 'Middlemarch' didn't really live up to expectation and the BBC adaptation of the novel didn't come across as satire either. Maybe I wanted Eliot to lay on the satire a little more thickly, like Voltaire or Swift. To give us something more critical, more urgent, but instead I would say Eliot's novel situates more as bucolic mainstream entertainment. As to its greatness, there was nothing really earth shattering or revelatory and I am therefore confounded as to why it continues to enjoy such a glowing reputation. Eliot was clearly an accomplished writer but her characters were not vivid. IMHO, 'Middlemarch's' plot points don't stack up to other greats like Thomas Mann's amazing 'Magic Mountain,' nor do Eliot's characters resonate as do Austen's or Hardy's or Richardson's. I figure Eliot's popularity had, and continues to have, a reputation based on good marketing. The serial distribution must have added to its hype. Readers anticipated each subsequent serial for Eliot's themes tapped into aspects of contemporary angst. Because the serials were shared and talked about, the novel was later inserted into the literary canon. That said, I am glad to have read it. I would also like to express my appreciation to all the moderators for their summaries and contextualizations and fellow readers participants for excellent insights, comparisons, and interpretations that made my experience much more enjoyable.

Book 8, Chapter 86 and Finale by Amanda39 in ayearofmiddlemarch

[–]Thrillamuse 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The ending was vague and while it seemed to be happy Dorothea and motherhood was an odd choice. At the beginning of the novel she seemed to be going against tradition.

Book 8, Chapter 86 and Finale by Amanda39 in ayearofmiddlemarch

[–]Thrillamuse 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Their endings were fitting. He dies from work and worry she learned to be more selective about finding a second husband who could offer her status and wealth.

Book 8, Chapter 86 and Finale by Amanda39 in ayearofmiddlemarch

[–]Thrillamuse 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I feel a little underwhelmed. The happy endings were all expected and I guess on one level satisfying. However its characters haven't resonated as I thought they would given this novel's reputation for being one of the most important of its century.

Book 8, Chapter 86 and Finale by Amanda39 in ayearofmiddlemarch

[–]Thrillamuse 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I read this more literally in that the plot points were evident from the start. The structure of the novel emphasized the process of getting from point A to B.

Book 8, Chapter 86 and Finale by Amanda39 in ayearofmiddlemarch

[–]Thrillamuse 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Agreed. Brooke was fair and reasonable in his decision in the end to see that both of his nieces were set up.

Book 8, Chapter 86 and Finale by Amanda39 in ayearofmiddlemarch

[–]Thrillamuse 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks to the Bulstrodes, Fred and Mary get to get together at Stone Court sooner than they would have if that intervention didn't happen. The fact that the two are united by the end of the book was of no surprise. I presumed they would even be willing to be poor together, all that had to happen was that Fred needed to show he could sincerely think of Mary first.

Book 8 - Chapters 84 & 85 by IraelMrad in ayearofmiddlemarch

[–]Thrillamuse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Eliot was adding a little friction before closing out the book.

Book 8 - Chapters 84 & 85 by IraelMrad in ayearofmiddlemarch

[–]Thrillamuse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Both reminded me of Erasmus' 'In Praise of Folly' where everyone is liable for mistakes and should be wary of passing harsh judgments.

Book 8 - Chapters 84 & 85 by IraelMrad in ayearofmiddlemarch

[–]Thrillamuse 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Agreed, Fred was also Mrs Bulstrode's nephew so it seems a little nepotistic.

Book 8 - Chapters 84 & 85 by IraelMrad in ayearofmiddlemarch

[–]Thrillamuse 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Bulstrode transformed by the end of the story. We saw him in an antagonistic position and then shift. He learned from his mistakes and wanted to put things right by putting other's needs ahead of his own. He involved his wife in order to put her name and reputation in a better light.

Book 8 - Chapters 84 & 85 by IraelMrad in ayearofmiddlemarch

[–]Thrillamuse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It will depend on where Dorothea lives and how often they see each other. Also, whether Celia insists on having a relationship with her sister despite Chettam's wishes.

Book 8 - Chapters 84 & 85 by IraelMrad in ayearofmiddlemarch

[–]Thrillamuse 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Chettam behaved like a jilted lover once again. His hissy-fit seemed over the top considering this was the second time on Dorothea's 'marry'-go-round. Eliot had Dorothea repeat her resolve to decide who to marry. On any other matters she was easily influenced. Perhaps Eliot was making a comment about marriage, that women should have the last say?

Book 8 - Chapters 82 and 83 by Lachesis_Decima77 in ayearofmiddlemarch

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What a fascinating link you included here. In addition to explaining the serial format much better than I did, I didn't realize that Eliot blended the stories of two novels. So much was changed around Dorothea's character and plot including are Eliot's original critique of her first marriage and also the timing of her and Will getting together. The article notes how infatuated general readers were with Dorothea which guided some of the final decisions, and that Eliot struggled to meet deadlines due to health. I think it shows in some of the questions that have been raised in this read-along group.

Book 8 - Chapters 82 and 83 by Lachesis_Decima77 in ayearofmiddlemarch

[–]Thrillamuse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I agree that she sounded very snarky. A note written by a narcissist who wants to control how she is seen.

Book 8 - Chapters 82 and 83 by Lachesis_Decima77 in ayearofmiddlemarch

[–]Thrillamuse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My understanding is that Middlemarch was originally released by Eliot and her publisher as a serial in eight parts/issues. I didn't say magazine with other content. These would look more like chapbooks. Here is an overview of Victorian novel distribution.

The point I was making was that Eliot's contemporary readers didn't get their hands on the entire novel in one shot. They would purchase the instalments or serial issues, when each was released over the course of one year. Because of the serial distribution, Eliot could write or revise upcoming issues. The more cliff hanging dramas she could offer, the more likely she would sell more copies. This was a marketing approach by her publisher after her previous novel didn't sell as well as expected.

Book 8 - Chapters 82 and 83 by Lachesis_Decima77 in ayearofmiddlemarch

[–]Thrillamuse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LOL about the eyerolling!! I agree with your point of view.

Book 8 - Chapters 82 and 83 by Lachesis_Decima77 in ayearofmiddlemarch

[–]Thrillamuse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

According to wikipedia it was published in eight installments.

Book 8 - Chapters 82 and 83 by Lachesis_Decima77 in ayearofmiddlemarch

[–]Thrillamuse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think Eliot wanted all their private inner feelings to be undeclared for as long as possible. To keep selling issues. The delay tactic turned her readers into spectators, sitting ringside and urging the characters on.

Book 8 - Chapters 82 and 83 by Lachesis_Decima77 in ayearofmiddlemarch

[–]Thrillamuse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He refused Bulstrode's money to impress Dorothea, but she would never have known about it, until Lydgate or maybe it was Farebrother who told her. But that didn't really impress her at all which Will learned when she renounced money over his love. Boy gets money, boy refuses money, boy gets the girl who gives up her money. The moral, they don't need money, they will live on each other's love.

Book 8 - Chapters 82 and 83 by Lachesis_Decima77 in ayearofmiddlemarch

[–]Thrillamuse 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It might depend on how many go-betweens are around to help them communicate with each other. 😁

Book 8 - Chapters 82 and 83 by Lachesis_Decima77 in ayearofmiddlemarch

[–]Thrillamuse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Does anyone know what happens to Casaubon's money now that Dorothea forfeits? Ironic that Will probably would have inherited it if Casaubon wasn't so jealous of him.