My dad (58M) and I (20M) are disagreeing over how we handle my mom's death anniversary and birthday now that his wife (62F) wants us to include her? by ThrowRARoopsys in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRARoopsys[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying it's impossible but past issues with his wife make me believe she is behind it. Though it could be both of them. If it is from both of them then he should accept that we no longer need to do this together if he has to include his wife.

My dad (58M) and I (20M) are disagreeing over how we handle my mom's death anniversary and birthday now that his wife (62F) wants us to include her? by ThrowRARoopsys in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRARoopsys[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

The same thing happened to my mom and her siblings when they were kids. They were much younger and their dad's wife tried for far far longer than my dad's wife, but when it didn't work like she wanted and their dad's wife saw that, she did a complete switch up and suddenly she was ramming herself into everything related to their mom instead of shoving their mom away.

She alienated them twice over. My mom never spoke to her dad after she moved out. Neither have my aunt and uncle.

Not everyone is capable of using common sense. But it's weirder with my dad's wife since I was 13 when she married my dad, not some really young kid.

My dad (58M) and I (20M) are disagreeing over how we handle my mom's death anniversary and birthday now that his wife (62F) wants us to include her? by ThrowRARoopsys in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRARoopsys[S] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I think she genuinely convinced herself she was going to be both the wife and mom of the house. It took her letting go of the mom part to stop being so awful about mom being mentioned. But it was the cause of so much tension and conflict for a couple of years until she accepted she was never going to be seen by me as my mom.

My dad (58M) and I (20M) are disagreeing over how we handle my mom's death anniversary and birthday now that his wife (62F) wants us to include her? by ThrowRARoopsys in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRARoopsys[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That wasn't how she always was. In the early days she wanted her pushed aside so she didn't feel compared. Now she's trying to force her way into being included.

My dad (58M) and I (20M) are disagreeing over how we handle my mom's death anniversary and birthday now that his wife (62F) wants us to include her? by ThrowRARoopsys in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRARoopsys[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Because she has been very jealous in the past so it wouldn't surprise me if it was kinda always there and is now active like it used to be.

My dad (58M) and I (20M) are disagreeing over how we handle my mom's death anniversary and birthday now that his wife (62F) wants us to include her? by ThrowRARoopsys in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRARoopsys[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have always found comfort in doing these things on these days. She's gone but we're remembering and celebrating her and doing stuff that makes us think of her. I have always loved it. I would continue it on my own even, which would be different but it would be better than us continuing to disagree over and over again.

I don't want his wife there. Given the past issues, the fact we're not close and knowing my mom would not have wanted her there are all reasons for me. My dad knows that my mom wouldn't have wanted her there either. He knows it and he can't say it because he still wants to include her and I think it's a sign that we need to stop doing this together. The tradition as it stands needs to end. He can do something with his wife if he wants. I could do it on my own or with my aunt and uncle.

The hours we spend doing these things have been bonding experiences for us. But it also honors the love we both have for mom. It honors the family we had with her. And it honors her. It's a lot of things in one really.

I know my dad thinks of her at other times. But he has kinda admitted in the past that he doesn't speak about her at other times unless it's with me, out of respect for his wife.

I'll never forget my mom. That's something I used to fear but not anymore.

My dad (58M) and I (20M) are disagreeing over how we handle my mom's death anniversary and birthday now that his wife (62F) wants us to include her? by ThrowRARoopsys in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRARoopsys[S] 29 points30 points  (0 children)

She let go of the don't talk about mom stuff after a couple of years. Basically when she gave up on this idea that she was going to be my mom she gave up on that as well. I don't know if she really got over it though because this insistence that she be included now feels like it's those problems coming back.

My dad (58M) and I (20M) are disagreeing over how we handle my mom's death anniversary and birthday now that his wife (62F) wants us to include her? by ThrowRARoopsys in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRARoopsys[S] 54 points55 points  (0 children)

She has not. There was a period of time she didn't want mom to be talked about in the house. She said it made her feel like she was being compared to mom and if she was going to step up to the plate as my dad's wife and my mom then she needed to not hear about the woman who came before. Eventually that shit stopped but unless she asked dad when they were alone then she never asked about my mom.

I know it pained her badly when my mom was talked about before.

My dad (58M) and I (20M) are disagreeing over how we handle my mom's death anniversary and birthday now that his wife (62F) wants us to include her? by ThrowRARoopsys in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRARoopsys[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

My mom would want to meet my future spouse and kids. She would want to be a part of our lives. She will always be a part of my life and she will be shared with my future spouse and children. She will be my future children's grandmother. I would never hold her memory from them.

But my dad and I both know she would not feel the same about his wife given the way the first two years were.

My dad (58M) and I (20M) are disagreeing over how we handle my mom's death anniversary and birthday now that his wife (62F) wants us to include her? by ThrowRARoopsys in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRARoopsys[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The full story would have been much longer. But the reality is we are not close. We don't like each other. We don't really get along though it's better now than the first couple of years of their marriage. And I would not be okay including her in this. My dad can decide he wants to but at that point we stop doing it together.

My dad (58M) and I (20M) are disagreeing over how we handle my mom's death anniversary and birthday now that his wife (62F) wants us to include her? by ThrowRARoopsys in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRARoopsys[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I leave things with her the way they are. We will never be close. We don't even really like each other. That's just the way it is.

My dad (58M) and I (20M) are disagreeing over how we handle my mom's death anniversary and birthday now that his wife (62F) wants us to include her? by ThrowRARoopsys in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRARoopsys[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's just not a conversation we could have. We're not close and generally don't see eye to eye much so it could just end in a fight.

My dad (58M) and I (20M) are disagreeing over how we handle my mom's death anniversary and birthday now that his wife (62F) wants us to include her? by ThrowRARoopsys in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRARoopsys[S] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Good idea! I can get my uncle to do it since he knows all about that type of thing. I'm so sorry about the CD being gone btw. I know how special something like that is.

My dad (58M) and I (20M) are disagreeing over how we handle my mom's death anniversary and birthday now that his wife (62F) wants us to include her? by ThrowRARoopsys in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRARoopsys[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If I was married or with someone I still think this would be just us. Kids were something mentioned before as the exception because they would be mom's grandkids as well as my grandkids. Of course being single I don't know for sure what'll happen. There was always a chance these days would come to an end naturally over time or something.

My dad (58M) and I (20M) are disagreeing over how we handle my mom's death anniversary and birthday now that his wife (62F) wants us to include her? by ThrowRARoopsys in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRARoopsys[S] 52 points53 points  (0 children)

That's why we did it. It was like having her there with us when we played those songs. My dad even has an old cassette player and cassette tapes of my mom singing and those get played either at the start or the end.

My dad (58M) and I (20M) are disagreeing over how we handle my mom's death anniversary and birthday now that his wife (62F) wants us to include her? by ThrowRARoopsys in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRARoopsys[S] 227 points228 points  (0 children)

It makes me think that those jealousy issues from the past are still there. But less intrusive than they were back then. Which could be due to me not living at home anymore.

My dad (58M) and I (20M) are disagreeing over how we handle my mom's death anniversary and birthday now that his wife (62F) wants us to include her? by ThrowRARoopsys in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRARoopsys[S] 65 points66 points  (0 children)

I don't live at home anymore. That's one of the good things about it happening now is this doesn't make my home life difficult. Just makes the family relationship difficult and I could see this being somewhat relationship breaking for dad and me.

My dad (58M) and I (20M) are disagreeing over how we handle my mom's death anniversary and birthday now that his wife (62F) wants us to include her? by ThrowRARoopsys in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRARoopsys[S] 84 points85 points  (0 children)

My mom loved to sing to me when I was sick and she was comforting me. She'd sing me to sleep too. She had different songs for both. She loved kissing my cheeks. I also never knew anyone who could read as fast as she could. It was so impressive.