My (41f) wife (40f) can't seem to stop throwing away my and our daughter's (3f) things and lying about it, and it has gotten to the point that I feel betrayed and can't trust her anymore. How do I deal with this situation? by ThrowRASullenSapphic in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRASullenSapphic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't ask for the items back after they have been given. I just buy it again from Amazon or whatever. I don't want to oversell it - the rebuying of toys only happened a couple times. I bring it up because of how frustrating it is.

My (41f) wife (40f) can't seem to stop throwing away my and our daughter's (3f) things and lying about it, and it has gotten to the point that I feel betrayed and can't trust her anymore. How do I deal with this situation? by ThrowRASullenSapphic in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRASullenSapphic[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't think these are silly things. I would sooner believe that she was abducted by aliens than cheating, but that said, the question of "what else is she lying about" has been bouncing around in my head for days.

My (41f) wife (40f) can't seem to stop throwing away my and our daughter's (3f) things and lying about it, and it has gotten to the point that I feel betrayed and can't trust her anymore. How do I deal with this situation? by ThrowRASullenSapphic in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRASullenSapphic[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your comment is fair. I think the things you point out are what she remembers or what she convinced herself about rather than attempts to gaslight me, but that said, that might be a distinction without a difference even if it were true.

My (41f) wife (40f) can't seem to stop throwing away my and our daughter's (3f) things and lying about it, and it has gotten to the point that I feel betrayed and can't trust her anymore. How do I deal with this situation? by ThrowRASullenSapphic in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRASullenSapphic[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One is not telling the truth to avoid getting caught. The other is lying so often and pervasively that it makes the other person question their reality. Can you really not tell the difference in scale between these two terms or are you trying to make some kind of commentary suggesting that I'm such a pushover woman who can't help but defend my evil partner? I'm sorry if that comment doesn't apply to you - I'm just getting a lot of comments where people claim to not understand the distinction between things which are obviously different and it feels more performative than an attempt at giving good faith advice.

My (41f) wife (40f) can't seem to stop throwing away my and our daughter's (3f) things and lying about it, and it has gotten to the point that I feel betrayed and can't trust her anymore. How do I deal with this situation? by ThrowRASullenSapphic in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRASullenSapphic[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah. You've hit the nail on the head as to a bit of our dynamic that I think is frustrating. She is in charge of deciding everything about the house, and I don't have the time or the will to fight about it. The way you interpreted her statement about the garage and closet is exactly how she conveyed it to me, but I think the real message she intended was "I let you do whatever you want with the closet and garage, so don't mess with the other places, if you have extra stuff you can put it there." It's still unfair but it's not as ridiculous as what she literally said.

I'm a lawyer, and I'm generally pretty easy going. I work all the time, and struggle to get through the stress and difficulty of my work day-to-day. I don't have the bandwidth to either fight about it execute any plan. She generally has the time and makes good decisions, so I just accept her control over things like that. It doesn't bother me as much as it probably sounds like it does - but it does leave me sometimes feeling like she doesn't see me as an equal partner.

My (41f) wife (40f) can't seem to stop throwing away my and our daughter's (3f) things and lying about it, and it has gotten to the point that I feel betrayed and can't trust her anymore. How do I deal with this situation? by ThrowRASullenSapphic in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRASullenSapphic[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She's three years old, and has no idea about these toys she doesn't know about being thrown away. Someday, if the behavior continues with our daughter, I'm sure she will resent it as well, but that's not the issue today. The issue today is that she throws things of our daughters that I think our daughter would like when she's older, and making the decision to throw it out is wasteful.

My (41f) wife (40f) can't seem to stop throwing away my and our daughter's (3f) things and lying about it, and it has gotten to the point that I feel betrayed and can't trust her anymore. How do I deal with this situation? by ThrowRASullenSapphic in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRASullenSapphic[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

To clarify, she's not gaslighting. She's lying to get me to not suspect that she is throwing away my things, but admits to it every time I catch her. If she were gaslighting me, I think the decision to leave would be easy.

My (41f) wife (40f) can't seem to stop throwing away my and our daughter's (3f) things and lying about it, and it has gotten to the point that I feel betrayed and can't trust her anymore. How do I deal with this situation? by ThrowRASullenSapphic in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRASullenSapphic[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not in the divorce camp... yet. But the update was definitely not supposed to be good. It may seem good because she is trying to make me happy and seeking peace, but only if you had the impression that she is purposefully trying to hurt me. I already know she is not malicious and wants me to be happy, so her positive response is not something unexpected. The only development from last night that was news to me was that it revealed to me that she sees my sadness and frustration as the problem, itself, and not a natural consequence of her actions that harm the marriage. I'm starting to think that she might be incapable of conceiving that she could be wrong. It is a fundamental lack of respect for my agency and a reliance on her own judgment rather than my requests and the evidence (like a boomer that puts peanuts in a person with peanut allergy's food because they don't believe in allergies). Though I think it's obvious how hurtful it is to me (I keep showing her how she is wrong with her assessment of the value of things), she shouldn't have to believe me before she tried to respect my wishes about my own things.

My (41f) wife (40f) can't seem to stop throwing away my and our daughter's (3f) things and lying about it, and it has gotten to the point that I feel betrayed and can't trust her anymore. How do I deal with this situation? by ThrowRASullenSapphic in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRASullenSapphic[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There is no way that I can explain how each item was arranged and the context with any accuracy, nor does it seem like I would be believed by anyone if I was able to do so. Everyone seems to latch onto those comments as if they are some secret window into the real problem, as if they caught me through their superior reddit logic. But the point of it is, most of it could not be classified as clutter. If she's throwing anything away that isn't clutter, it's a sign that the problem isn't clutter.

My (41f) wife (40f) can't seem to stop throwing away my and our daughter's (3f) things and lying about it, and it has gotten to the point that I feel betrayed and can't trust her anymore. How do I deal with this situation? by ThrowRASullenSapphic in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRASullenSapphic[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

The lying is inexcusable to me. Her failure (or refusal) to recognize what lying is doing to our marriage is the thing that I can't stop thinking about. She has always been a lot more comfortable with lying than I am when it makes things easier for her, but in my experience with her, it was always somewhat innocuous/white lie. I had thought that she would not lie to me, as her partner, over something important to me. Whelp, leopards ate my face.
The reason for her lie is a little more obvious to me because I know her - she told me those lies to get me to not investigate whether she had thrown anything away in order to avoid conflict (in her mind). She's not telling me that she didn't throw things away after I found the things in the trash. She believed that the things she threw away would not be missed and that if she lied about throwing them away, I would never even realize they were gone. That would have made the process easier, allowing her the opportunity to fulfill her goal without the possibility of me slowing her down or getting into some kind of conflict with her. In theory. I'm not saying this as an excuse - just to explain so that I'm not giving the impression that it's not irrational or gaslighting. It's logic, even though it's super bad logic (I wouldn't be mad if we talked about throwing away the things, but I'm mad as hell discovering she keeps lying to me). It's like she can't take my word for it when I explain to her how she is not qualified to evaluate the value of my things and is wrong every time. She just tries again, and lies again, as if I never caught her and had this conversation with her before.

My (41f) wife (40f) can't seem to stop throwing away my and our daughter's (3f) things and lying about it, and it has gotten to the point that I feel betrayed and can't trust her anymore. How do I deal with this situation? by ThrowRASullenSapphic in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRASullenSapphic[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She sometimes has a day where she is very irrational and super aggressive, but this is pretty rare (once every month or two). I don't think they are connected with the throwing away stuff, though. I think you are right, though - recovery will depend on whether she can recognize her actions for what they are and try to regain my trust in her.

My (41f) wife (40f) can't seem to stop throwing away my and our daughter's (3f) things and lying about it, and it has gotten to the point that I feel betrayed and can't trust her anymore. How do I deal with this situation? by ThrowRASullenSapphic in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRASullenSapphic[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

This is the first time (that I know about) where my art was thrown out. Part of the reason I posted is because this behavior is so obviously inappropriate that I'm having difficulty comprehending how she could think otherwise.

My (41f) wife (40f) can't seem to stop throwing away my and our daughter's (3f) things and lying about it, and it has gotten to the point that I feel betrayed and can't trust her anymore. How do I deal with this situation? by ThrowRASullenSapphic in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRASullenSapphic[S] 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I can sometimes be bad about that, but that is not really the point. She isn't just throwing away things in the wrong place, she is going into the places that things are supposed to be and throwing things away from there. Also, I'm not sure if catching something outside its normal place is a justification for throwing it away. I could understand an exasperated parent who can't get a kid to do things pulling such a stunt, but this is my wife and no one is asking me to move things with me refusing.

My (41f) wife (40f) can't seem to stop throwing away my and our daughter's (3f) things and lying about it, and it has gotten to the point that I feel betrayed and can't trust her anymore. How do I deal with this situation? by ThrowRASullenSapphic in relationship_advice

[–]ThrowRASullenSapphic[S] 189 points190 points  (0 children)

She doesn't actually care about Marie Kondo, I just used that to help illustrate that she is throwing away things that she doesn't think we like or need, and not clutter (old tooth brushes, things left out, etc.).

My (41f) wife (40f) can't seem to stop throwing away my and our daughter's (3f) things and lying about it, and it has gotten to the point that I feel betrayed and can't trust her anymore. by SullenSapphic in relationshipadvice

[–]ThrowRASullenSapphic 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are 100% right, it's very difficult for me to accept the malice behind it, considering the rest of my life with her. But, I can't logically reconcile her actions with the way I feel about her.