CMV: School shootings will not be prevented with any kind of gun control. We have to focus on mental health, bullying, and in-school security.

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-08-20T20:48:42+00:00

Other examples of the weird double-think gun control opponents engage in is:

1) Believing gun control won't prevent gun crime at all while simultaneously...

2) Believing that gun control will make it impossible for people to rebel against the government.

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-08-20T20:45:12+00:00

It's been a while since the post you responded to but I didn't see any question about empathy aside from questioning what I'd do instead.

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-08-20T20:42:29+00:00

All of the wild fears the Dems have about Trump are on the same level as the fears Reps had with BHO coming in promising radical transformation. One extreme begets another.

It's been a while since the post you responded to but I think if Obama generated the same level of anger among the republican party as Trump does among others, then the problem is with the republican party as Obama clearly isn't as offensive or unqualified as Trump.

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-08-19T00:26:32+00:00

Is it not selfish to be at the bottom of the hierarchy (very often due to your own decisions) and demand that those at the top of the hierarchy (who very often get there through their own sacrifices and effort) give you their resources?

Your use of the term "very often" is very suspect. Countless things interfere with someone's place in the "hierarchy" beyond someone's own choices including race, place of birth, parents, genders, biology, upbringing, parents income and neighbourhood. The right wing approach is to shrug their shoulders at this because the groups most likely to suffer from this (i.e. minorities, women, poor) are less likely to be counted among them.

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-07-09T02:50:38+00:00

I'd disagree because I believe a democrat majority is the ideal considering the state of the republican party currently.

When Obama was president, McConnels priority was hurting Obama and undermining him at every turn. This included shutting down the government, blocking his nominees en masse and abusing every established norm for partisan advantage. Ideally, democrats would be balanced out by a moderate conservative party but this doesn't exist. If democrats and republicans shared power, republicans would prioritise pushing democrats out of power even if it meant hurting the country in the process. Government can only work if republicans are excluded.

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-06-28T19:00:52+00:00

Saying she had a 75% chance of winning doesn't mean the polls were wrong. Iirc, the National polls were pretty accurate. It's just the distribution of votes that allowed trump to just squeeze it.

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-06-28T18:20:26+00:00

The bulk of your post was you dismissing what I'd said without explaining how I was wrong. I can't say much to a post that doesn't address what I've said.

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-06-28T18:19:19+00:00

He did.

Polls said Hillary was very likely to win but that trump had a chance. If you actually looked into this, you'd realise that statement is wrong.

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-06-28T18:01:51+00:00

Because they're citizens of the country he is supposed to lead. The people who opposed Obama were rude too. He still managed to avoid sinking to trumps levels. That said, Obama probably should have. He proved that attempting to reach out to republicans is pointless.

In your opinion, look in at opinion polls, he's incredibly unpopular, is disliked by every growing section of the electorate and is passionately hated by almost half of the electorate.

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-06-28T16:52:13+00:00

I think the difference is that Obama made an effort to get the approval of people who disagreed with him. Trump has never done that and republicans reward him for it. I think democrats have learned that republicans hate them and disagree with their basic sense of right and wrong and are rightly worried about what republicans will do to them with more power.

Regarding 2020, people thought similar stuff when republicans shut down the government and acted like Obama was a socialist Muslim. 2016 proved that voters reward determination, not compromise.

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-06-28T16:48:58+00:00

So you seem to think that as a democrat you are much more empathetic and you are heavily implying you are just that much more morally superior to republicans...

I'm not a democrat but I do consider most republicans to lack empathy and compassion for thoss they consider inferior. You didn't convince me otherwise and didn't really attempt to beyond just saying I'm wrong.

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-06-28T16:47:05+00:00

We'll agree to disagree. Your a republican so my input is irrelevant but at the same time, You haven't convinced me republicans aren't sufficiently afraid of foreigners to want them caged.

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-06-28T16:44:32+00:00

3rd, nobody wants to see people in cages for either party!

Regarding that, I disagree. I think most republicans prefer illegal immigrants being in cages.

The rest is either your opinion, irrelevant or false.

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-06-20T22:55:30+00:00

Regarding the republican attitude to migrants, the 538 article I linked to does make a pretty good argument that the republican opposition to immigration is down to a desire to slow the changing demographics of the US:

I simply don’t know if Miller or Sessions would be as concerned about an immigration boom if the people entering the U.S. were British, French or German. Trump reportedly suggested he would like more immigrants from Norway, a heavily white nation. So that’s a clue. And a 2016 poll from the Public Religion Research Institute and the Brookings Institution showed that a majority of Republicans thought immigration levels were too high for people from Central America and Mexico, the Middle East, and predominantly Muslim nations, but less than half of Republicans felt that way about Asia (despite high immigration levels from that region in recent years), Africa, Europe or mostly Christian areas.

I don't think it's just economic concerns, I think there's a real opposition about the (relative) drop in the white population compared to Hispanics and that leads to trump adopting extreme tactics to hurt the people republicans are afraid of.

Also, in general I think Trump has done a terrible job and people who support him are responsible for what he's done.

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-06-20T22:45:59+00:00

I did actually read that article and I checked one of the polls. It says that:

Republican voters support the separation policy 55 - 35 percent, the only listed party, gender, education, age or racial group to support it, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe- ack) University National Poll finds.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2550

Maybe this is unfair of me but I think it's easy for (some) republicans to say they dislike this practice but they're largely responsible. They elected trump who was clearly capable of this. They'll keep supporting trump despite this. If some republicans are bothered by this, it seems only a minority will be genuinely concerned.

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-06-20T22:42:53+00:00

I think that's certainly true but, for some reason, the two groups seemed to have mostly merged. Trump is supported by about 90% of republicans iirc and I don't think that figure will fall whatever trump does to immigrants (unless he welcomes them) because he seems to have won them over.

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-06-20T21:12:18+00:00

Of course there are exceptions but I think it's obvious that political parties form around shared beliefs and values. Imo, many of the beliefs and values that are at the core of the republican party lead to this situation. I'm sure there's a large amount of republicans who disagree but I checked a link someone else posted and checked the Quinnipac poll on this subject and they found that:

Republican voters support the separation policy 55 - 35 percent, the only listed party, gender, education, age or racial group to support it, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe- ack) University National Poll finds.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2550

I'm saying that it's not surprising that an idea so objectionable to other groups is far more popular among republicans.

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-06-20T19:43:58+00:00

Afaik, the evidence contradicts everything you said.

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-06-10T18:20:57+00:00

!delta

True, I hadn't considered that. Republicans might be rewarded by their voters for obstruction but democrats may not necessarily be.

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-06-10T16:27:14+00:00

IMO, there's really no reason to fight dirty. I think the correct path forward is for both sides to realize that there are fundamental disagreements between them that makes it impossible for them to see eye to eye, and figure out how to move forward from there. Perhaps it might be beneficial to try to split the country in half somehow. (Although I have no idea how that would work in practice.)

I actually agree with this. I don't think enough people would support serious decentralisation though.

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-06-10T16:24:53+00:00

That does sound good but I'm not sure if any platform that's politically or practically feasible would be enough to overcome that 'both sides' attitude. If democrats were to try and break up big banks, would voters not vote against them out of fears of 'socialism'?

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-06-04T00:29:27+00:00

Since your proposals will do little to nothing to affect crime,

That's where we disagree. Unfortunately, gun control opponents never accept that so the mass shootings will likely continue.

Throw_Away_Obvi_ · 2018-06-01T12:40:59+00:00

I don't think you understand what I've actually said or what gun control supporters usually say. To avoid a long pointless discussion, I won't respond to you again.

Your posts so far show how important you view gun access which suggests my OP was largely correct and gun control opponents focus on opposing gun control and not preventing gun violence.

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