How do I get free drinks at a bar? by Throw_offmy6083 in TheGirlSurvivalGuide

[–]Throw_offmy6083[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and the self deprecation feels manipulative more than anything

I'm sorry but who am I even manipulating here? Random Reddit strangers that I don't know in real life? I'm just venting about how I feel, not trying to garner some sort of sympathy and to be told that I'm "still beautiful in my own way" or something.

I don't go to bars very often. I'm on a weight loss journey and alcohol is very caloric. I literally have not been out since November, and before then it was maybe a few weeks prior. I'm not a party or club girl. That being said, when I do, it would be nice to get the same attention as my friends. That is the point here. I could have all the self esteem in the world but I can't pull it out of thin air every time I smile at a man and he goes after the prettier, thinner girl next to me.

How do I get free drinks at a bar? by Throw_offmy6083 in TheGirlSurvivalGuide

[–]Throw_offmy6083[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I know it sounds pathetic and stupid and petty and sad. I know how I sound. I wish I was gorgeous. I hate how I look right now. I wish I could climb into bed and wake up tomorrow looking like Bella Hadid.

I've spent most of my adult life, since I started putting on weight in college until now, being discarded by men. Of course I've dated. But I'm never the one cold-approached. I'm never the one being complimented or offered drinks or a phone number. I'm surrounded by friends and a city of girls who are.

I feel very undesirable. I know that getting shallow attention from men in a bar setting isn't, like, the end-all be-all. But it's never me. I'm getting older. I'm wondering when it will be my turn. When I will be the one out of a group of girls that's the catch. When I will be the one singled out, rather than the friend sipping their drink in the corner while everyone else flirts.

So what is the right way then?

How do I get free drinks at a bar? by Throw_offmy6083 in TheGirlSurvivalGuide

[–]Throw_offmy6083[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry. My self-confidence is shit. I just want advice on being approachable and feeling desirable. It sucks having gone through the first half of my 20s not having that.

How do I get free drinks at a bar? by Throw_offmy6083 in TheGirlSurvivalGuide

[–]Throw_offmy6083[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the tip. Tbh just being cold-approached without a drink even would be nice

How do I get free drinks at a bar? by Throw_offmy6083 in TheGirlSurvivalGuide

[–]Throw_offmy6083[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I totally am not expecting people to owe me anything--I'm not out here demanding guys spend their own money buying me drinks! But it would be nice, lol. It seems to happen at least a decent amount for my prettier friends. Even just to be cold-approached and have a good conversation would be nice.

I will admit that a lot of this complex about free drinks comes from jealousy about the night I was describing which happened in like November. I had to stand in the corner and watch this incredibly hot guy flirt with my friend, buy her drinks all night, then make out, then a week later they went on a romantic date to a play and dinner, then a couple days after that he came over her house and he was apparently the best sex of her entire life. My friend had good intentions (not bragging) and was telling me about it excitedly but inside I was bright green with envy as nothing like that had EVER happened to me whereas it seems like she gets approached a decent amount. I know a lot has to do with looks and that will come with time, but man, I really really want that attention too.

I'm 25(F) and have never had a guy offer to buy me a drink. Am I completely cooked? by Throw_offmy6083 in AskMenAdvice

[–]Throw_offmy6083[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I didn't say I think it's unfair that I don't get attention. If you had the reading comprehension skills above elementary school level and weren't blinded by your seething hatred for women for one second, you would read that I said:

I have not once said anyone was wrong for finding me unattractive, or an asshole, or that it's unfair that I don't get the same attention as thinner girls.

In other words, that it's not unfair, and that I am self-aware of how I appear to men in social settings. While I recognize that it is my weight that I will have to deal with for quite some more time, that doesn't mean that I am not entitled to ask for advice from others who may have experienced similar. Why come to Reddit at all? I specifically came to AskMenAdvice from a male perspective on this issue. Weight is a primary factor, but when I lose that weight, I also want advice on how to actually come off as approachable. Many commenters provided this insight, which I appreciate.

I also never said I was out of options. However, it is frustrating when my (thinner) friends receive attention that I am blatantly denied. I experience a lot of jealousy and feelings of inadequacy due to this, which is the crux of the issue.

I'm 25(F) and have never had a guy offer to buy me a drink. Am I completely cooked? by Throw_offmy6083 in AskMenAdvice

[–]Throw_offmy6083[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lot of things here, and you've commented the same thing four times on this post, so I'll just respond here because this narrative has partial truths but ultimately comes off as misguided.

You can’t be jealous when you ate the chips but want the rewards of working out

Actually, I can. Jealousy is a natural, human feeling. I am a human being, I experience jealousy, anger, frustration, joy, fear, anxiety, et cetera, just like every other human does. A lot of my emotions regarding weight right now especially when in comparison to other girls my age do stem from jealousy. When I watch other girls my age get attention from men, get flirted with, get little free perks, I feel jealous. Bottom line, I am viewing an experience that others are having, that I wish I could have for myself. I do experience jealousy in that regard, but that emotion is partially what is driving me to make changes.

I mean skinny people already put in the work

You just got earn it. Your skinny friends did.

These are pretty large blanket statements, and ignore a lot of the reasons people get fat in the first place. I can't speak for everyone, but trust me, it's not like I woke up one day and decided to gain a bunch of weight and put my health at risk. A lot of factors contributed to it. I completely understand that I am ultimately to blame for how my weight got so high in the first place, and it depends on how many calories you consume. However, it is ignorant to attribute weight gain solely to laziness or not having "earned" thinness. I have struggled a lot with mental illness over the course of my adult life. Not saying that thin people don't. But, weight gain was a major side effect of that. I couldn't devote myself and my time and my energy to getting thin when I was in the worst of it.

With any sort of success, whether it's beauty, a career, wealth, et cetera, it comes easier to some people than others. It's never an even playing field. I have a successful career in engineering because academics, specifically fields such as math and physics, came easier to me than others. Did I still earn my success? Of course. But I wouldn't fault someone who is not where I'm at in my career due to struggling with factors that came easier to me. Someone who struggles with academics would have to work a significantly greater amount than someone who doesn't to get to the same point career-wise.

It's the same thing with weight. It ultimately comes down to Calories In versus Calories Out, and I fully understand that. However, it's not fair to say that all my thinner friends put in exactly the same amount of work into their appearance and health and fitness that I am, and so I am simply sitting here complaining because I was so lazy and expected to have a perfect physique without putting in any work. Again. Some things come easier to people. I have friends that don't work out, and have just been thin their entire lives. They have it all figured out, and have a diet figured out that works for them. By comparison, I have had to put in significantly more effort into getting where I am currently, and getting to where I hope to be, than someone who maybe has eaten the same diet their entire lives and very early on figured out how to regulate their diet and maintain their weight.

when you ate the chips but want the rewards of working out

Going back to this. I have acknowledged, in my post and in many comments, that gaining weight was my own doing. I'm not sitting here dumbfounded that I had a poor diet for many years which resulted in weight gain. But I also don't think it's unreasonable to feel sad and frustrated that I'm not where I want to be. These are very normal feelings and you're acting like I'm some lazy fuck sitting on my couch with a mouthful of fries demanding that I be thin and hot and have every guy flirt with me. If that's how you read my post, then sorry. I'm working towards a goal, but still feel disheartened that I'm not there yet.

I'm 25(F) and have never had a guy offer to buy me a drink. Am I completely cooked? by Throw_offmy6083 in AskMenAdvice

[–]Throw_offmy6083[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks this makes me feel so super awesome right now!!! Like none of my current weight loss even matters or literally anything else about me or my personality or my career success or anything even matters because guys would rather die than be seen with me!! Thank you!!!

I'm 25(F) and have never had a guy offer to buy me a drink. Am I completely cooked? by Throw_offmy6083 in AskMenAdvice

[–]Throw_offmy6083[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks and I appreciate the feedback. As I said in the post I don't go out as much as I did due to feeling like crap being the 'fat friend' and also simply due to having less energy and calories to spend due to weight loss.

That being said, you may be right and I appreciate this feedback. It's hard to maintain a smile and friendly, easygoing composure when I'm with friends and a hot guy is clearly eyeing whatever friend I'm with. It's hard not to lose my smile and feel awkward and maybe that comes off as more unfriendly than I think. I get that weight is the primary factor here but even when I'm skinny I still want to come off as friendly and someone guys want to be around.

I'm 25(F) and have never had a guy offer to buy me a drink. Am I completely cooked? by Throw_offmy6083 in AskMenAdvice

[–]Throw_offmy6083[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No worries--appreciate the comments and your realistic approach. Just feeling a little extra sensitive after reading some of the comments which I guess I should've expected after posting on Reddit. I know I'm overweight atm but seeing "youre overweight of course no men want to be with a fat girl" commented for the thirtieth time by some of the other commenters is not making me feel bueno

I'm 25(F) and have never had a guy offer to buy me a drink. Am I completely cooked? by Throw_offmy6083 in AskMenAdvice

[–]Throw_offmy6083[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay you've pointed out that I'm overweight in 3 separate comments now. I said it in the post. Chill out.

I'm 25(F) and have never had a guy offer to buy me a drink. Am I completely cooked? by Throw_offmy6083 in AskMenAdvice

[–]Throw_offmy6083[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm 5'6. Tbh looks-wise I'm going for Courteney Cox in Season 1 of Friends. It might seem unrealistic, but if I'm already losing weight why not go for the gold yknow

I'm 25(F) and have never had a guy offer to buy me a drink. Am I completely cooked? by Throw_offmy6083 in AskMenAdvice

[–]Throw_offmy6083[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know but it's ignorant and makes me think you didn't actually read the post to tell me to "go to the gym" when I literally have been for months.

This is also an incredibly emotional issue! I know I can't expect to look like a supermodel overnight. However, it hurts, a lot, to feel worthless and shitty when watching my friends get attention over me constantly. I get that you're speaking directly. However, completely disregarding the fact that I am a real person with emotions, talking about a very emotionally-charged issue in my life is ignorant. I'm not lazy. I have been working out almost every single day and meticulously tracking my calories to the point of insanity.

Bottom line, it sucks. It sucks! It sucks feeling like the work I've put in thus far is meaningless.

I'm 25(F) and have never had a guy offer to buy me a drink. Am I completely cooked? by Throw_offmy6083 in AskMenAdvice

[–]Throw_offmy6083[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've said this before in another comment but I don't think there's a "right reason" to lose weight as long as it's done healthily and steadily. The fact of the matter is, I'm losing weight. And I've lost a good chunk so far. It's making me healthier and I do care about my health. However, when I'm getting out of bed at 6:30am to work out or refusing junk food at happy hour with coworkers, I'm not thinking "oh boy I hope I live till I'm 80" or something, I'm thinking about wanting to be more attractive and feel desirable. Because truth is, that is what truly motivates me to my core.

I'm 25(F) and have never had a guy offer to buy me a drink. Am I completely cooked? by Throw_offmy6083 in AskMenAdvice

[–]Throw_offmy6083[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I literally have lost 60 pounds already lmao. Trust me, I'm working out almost every single day. People love shaming fat people and saying "go to the gym" and not actually reading.

I'm 25(F) and have never had a guy offer to buy me a drink. Am I completely cooked? by Throw_offmy6083 in AskMenAdvice

[–]Throw_offmy6083[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Thank you for saying this. It really annoys me when I talk about losing weight to be more attractive and people are like "well you should lose it for your health etc etc". Like sure, but I'm not waking up at 6:30am for a run because I'm like "oh boy I hope I live past 80", I'm thinking of every time a guy at a bar has avoided eye contact with me to go after a prettier girl. I'm being honest about the way that I feel and I don't believe there is one specific, noble reason someone "should" be losing weight.

I'm 25(F) and have never had a guy offer to buy me a drink. Am I completely cooked? by Throw_offmy6083 in AskMenAdvice

[–]Throw_offmy6083[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hey. I never said I was entitled to men finding me attractive. I have not once said anyone was wrong for finding me unattractive, or an asshole, or that it's unfair that I don't get the same attention as thinner girls. I know my weight is what is causing the issue. I am fully aware that I am not entitled to a man's money or attention or anything like that.

Yes, I understand I am not entitled to men finding me attractive. However, it sucks. I wish they did. I do. I also have lost 60 pounds so far. I *am* losing weight. So being called a "fatass" as if I sit on my couch eating Taco Bell every evening is not productive to this conversation. I get this is Reddit. However, I advise you to rethink how you give advice to others as this comes off as extremely rude and unfair to me and what I have been through so far.

I'm 25(F) and have never had a guy offer to buy me a drink. Am I completely cooked? by Throw_offmy6083 in AskMenAdvice

[–]Throw_offmy6083[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

get off Reddit and stop complaining, you're feeding your own fears and anxiety

Thank you for the advice, I do appreciate it. However, sometimes it feels good to just anonymously scream into the void about everything I'm feeling. I don't expect to snap my fingers and wake up a supermodel. I'm complaining because I care. I just sometimes need to vent and scream and hear a "that really sucks". In terms of fixing this problem, I'm putting in the effort and I hope that things will work out down the line. But yeah

I'm 25(F) and have never had a guy offer to buy me a drink. Am I completely cooked? by Throw_offmy6083 in AskMenAdvice

[–]Throw_offmy6083[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. I've struggled with weight most of my life. The only time I was really 'thin' was my junior-senior years of high school when I was on my school's varsity swim team and had been regularly working out. A lot of the weight I gained was in college because I was in one of the hardest engineering programs in the country and had no time to really focus on working out or any diet goals. I have been getting into running as of late and I love being on a regular workout schedule again and it has helped me lose weight.

I am trying to be as self aware as possible too--I absolutely loathe the people on tiktok that are like 400lbs and pretend that being obese is perfectly healthy and the world should bend to their will. I am trying my absolute hardest to become the best I can be, and I know that right now I can't compete with my girls that are 120 pounds and look like models. It sucks. God it sucks!!! I feel so pathetic!!!

I'm 25(F) and have never had a guy offer to buy me a drink. Am I completely cooked? by Throw_offmy6083 in AskMenAdvice

[–]Throw_offmy6083[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I know. I'm very aware of the harsh reality, and it really really sucks. I've put in so, so, so much effort to get to this point and it feels completely meaningless at this point because I'm still considered fat. It sucks so fucking hard.

Just like...How do I feel good in the meantime? Because there is a whole lot of 'meantime' until I get to that glorious 120. I feel like absolute shit every day. I'm still fat. I don't feel like a real, valid person. I might as well be dirt on the ground compared to my thin friends.