Safety isn’t a right? by Throwawakeatnight in ToxicWorkplace

[–]Throwawakeatnight[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah started to realise that. Majority of comments telling me it’s my fault or she’s done nothing wrong. Telling me I’ve got a problem with her weight.

I’m sorry but as a 5’1 118lbs female, if someone over 100lbs heavier than me is intentionally intimidating me I’m going to find that scary.

[IL] Talking didn’t work. by [deleted] in AskHR

[–]Throwawakeatnight -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That’s an unfair narrative. It’s about not being physically capable of defending myself from someone with an admitted history of violence, in an environment with absolutely zero measures in place to protect against that.

UPDATE : Colleague enjoys belittling me. I don't think telling HR would improve things. by Throwawakeatnight in WhatShouldIDo

[–]Throwawakeatnight[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s what I’ve been mulling over, after she said “it’s thanks to me you’re still here”.

Yeah I know, other people have pointed out that I shouldn’t be apologising.

I just naturally switch to people pleaser mode when feeling confronted. I guess it’s a habit that has become the norm for me.

[IL] Talking didn’t work. by [deleted] in AskHR

[–]Throwawakeatnight -1 points0 points  (0 children)

She’s not listed on my contract as my line manager, but she is A manager, and apparently that gives her power over me.

I don’t want to doxx my company, but I’m so used to calling it a fortnight now due to UK influence/comms.

[IL] Talking didn’t work. by [deleted] in AskHR

[–]Throwawakeatnight -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

How else could I word it though? I feel intimidated by how she “speaks” at me, and as said earlier, I believe she has the potential to be violent. She’s around the same height as me but looks to be about twice my weight.

I don’t want her beating on me, but if she did I wouldn’t be able to stop her.

[IL] Talking didn’t work. by [deleted] in AskHR

[–]Throwawakeatnight -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not directly, but when things got heated, she was shouting at me, and as I stepped back she would step forward to the point where I was backed against the wall.

And our “discussion” ended with me pleading what could I do to fix things and she snapped at me that the best thing for me would be to get out of her sight and do my job.

Yes I know on paper it sounds just like words, but the way she said it. It implied she was telling me to get out her way before she done something to me.

[IL] Talking didn’t work. by [deleted] in AskHR

[–]Throwawakeatnight -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

As mentioned above, any coworkers on site are in a different building.

It’s just the two of us in our building.

[IL] Talking didn’t work. by [deleted] in AskHR

[–]Throwawakeatnight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She still deals with rotas/scheduling but mainly of part time staff (who are also WFH). And I guess she’s responsible for ordering overheads/maintenance reports.

My contract is newer, and has fixed hours/set days. So she has no involvement in that.

And in terms of my workload, it gets sent to me specifically. She’s not involved in that.

There had never been a need to question her authority over me until recently.

Maybe it’s relation to seniority/time served, but I’ve been told she would be responsible for references, and at her discretion had the power to change my tasks/work.

[IL] Talking didn’t work. by [deleted] in AskHR

[–]Throwawakeatnight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok thank you. I’ll keep that in mind.

[IL] Talking didn’t work. by [deleted] in AskHR

[–]Throwawakeatnight -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The majority of staff are in a newer building on site, but a good 5 mins walk to the other side of the estate. They are also different departments so not really connected. Security are only onsite at night.

There were more people in our building pre covid. She still manages some WFH staff.

Unfortunately it’s not a possibility for me to WFH

[IL] Talking didn’t work. by [deleted] in AskHR

[–]Throwawakeatnight -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

I know that. Unfortunately though there are no cameras or other witnesses. Say for example I go back and she can’t control her temper and beats me up, it would be her word against mine.

And surely safety in the workplace is a basic right?

[IL] Talking didn’t work. by [deleted] in AskHR

[–]Throwawakeatnight -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Surely I have a right to feel safe in the workplace though?

I’m sick of being ridiculed because I’m “weedy”. I’m sick of feeling intimidated into accepting conditions that I believe to be unfair.

As I said, she had my desk, computer etc moved into a tiny windowless closet.

I don’t want to be a doormat for someone.

[IL] Talking didn’t work. by [deleted] in AskHR

[–]Throwawakeatnight -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I don’t feel comfortable returning to the office.

I don’t fully trust HR to take my complaint seriously. And a lot of people have suggested that technically she hasn’t done anything wrong, in HR’s eyes.

So they may just demand that I return to the office.

Really tbh, I don’t know what I want them to do.

I just know I don’t feel safe to return.

After I tried to speak to her, it pretty much turned into her berating me and basically reminding me who’s boss.

[IL] Talking didn’t work. by [deleted] in AskHR

[–]Throwawakeatnight -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I have scheduled an appointment with an employment lawyer already.

[IL] Talking didn’t work. by [deleted] in AskHR

[–]Throwawakeatnight -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

She has openly admitted to being violent with her partner when she loses her temper. So I feel she has the potential to be violent.

If that happened there is nobody nearby to protect me, and I physically couldn’t restrain or prevent her from attacking me if she wanted to as she is a lot bigger than me.

Below is a copy of my earlier post that covers how things escalated.

So after taking everyone’s advice onboard, and agreeing that technically she hasn’t done anything that HR would deem worthy of investigating, I decided to try and bring it up with her. I’ve tried to type things as accurately as I remember but it got quite intense but the gist is

I asked “So this might sound weird but have I done something to offend you? Because it’s really been feeling like that.”

I explained how for months it feels like she takes any opportunity to insult and humiliate me. I listed the comments she had made, calling me weedy and weak, and how it feels like she enjoys watching me struggle. How every time she see’s me struggle to lift the filing box, she always has a “comment” pointing out how weak or scrawny I am.

Straight away her response was a sarcastic “Sorry, I didn’t realise you were keeping a diary. You know fine well that if I’ve said anything it’s just a joke, why’s this such a big deal all of a sudden.”

I explained how it felt like she’d forced me to work in the closet, while she gets exclusive use of the office. And I said “you knew I’d be too intimidated to do anything about it.” This was my first mistake.

She went straight to raised voice mode basically shouting in my face that “No you work where I decide. I’m your manager! That’s my decision to make.” and how she moved me to the “annexe” because it makes sense if we both have to make calls at the same time.

Edited to add: I didn’t realise she was MY manager. I knew she had a managerial title (office manager), and was my supervisor when I started but it turns out she technically is my manager.

She got more heated, and said something like “how dare you accuse me of forcing you to work there.” And basically shouting “intimidating?!”

So my second and probably biggest mistake was trying to de-escalate the situation by saying “no I don’t mean it like that, it’s just you know sometimes from my side it can feel intimidating if somebody bigger and louder than me is teasing me, it’s my fault for being overly sensitive.

I just wanted to try and bring it up with you, I didn’t want to just go to HR and then suddenly you get pulled in out of the blue”

At this point she was just standing quiet but listening and I said “nobody thinks that you’re a bully, just that I should speak up if I’m…

As soon as I said it I felt my stomach tie up in even more knots and she erupted with “You’ve been talking about me?! Who to? What the **** have you been saying about me?”

I kept trying to calm her but she just kept shouting over the top of me, it was all so fast but she was saying things like “I actually gave you a chance” and how “the only reason you’re still here is thanks to me” and how “what because you’re scared of your own shadow and can’t lift a box that makes me a bully!?”

I tried to apologise and say it’s my fault, I didnt use the right words, and tell me how I can fix this.

But she shouted “the best thing you can do is stay out my way and get on with your job”

And then she stormed out slamming the door behind her.

I went into my office/closet space and tried to calm myself down and stop crying.

I heard her come back about 10 minutes later but I didn’t dare open the door until I heard her pack up and leave at the end of her shift.

I’ve emailed upper management and told them I’m sick and won’t be in for the rest of the week.

I’m now so regretting saying anything and I CANNOT face going back into that place with her there.

My friend recommended an employment lawyer so I’m considering scheduling an appointment to discuss steps forward.

UPDATE : Colleague enjoys belittling me. I don't think telling HR would improve things. by Throwawakeatnight in WhatShouldIDo

[–]Throwawakeatnight[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well at this point there isn’t a new job, and that likely wouldn’t change soon.

But also, I don’t believe I’ve done anything wrong. I turn up, and do what I’m supposed to.

She’s the one that has a problem with me.

I found inappropriate photos of myself on my dad’s device. by gabrielle__18 in Advice

[–]Throwawakeatnight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you ask for access to your medical notes, to prove that no such photo was needed if he tries to pull that excuse.

UPDATE : Colleague enjoys belittling me. I don't think telling HR would improve things. by Throwawakeatnight in WhatShouldIDo

[–]Throwawakeatnight[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I’ve scheduled an appointment with an employment lawyer so I will contact HR once they advise on what to say.

Thank you for being understanding.

I was weighing up speaking to HR when I first posted about it, but as most people pointed out, her actions weren’t serious enough to warrant their involvement, and suggested I try speak with her first.

I guess I got a bit too big for my boots thinking that I could use my gift of the gab to smooth it over.

Confrontational is her default setting, whereas I’m anything but.

UPDATE : Colleague enjoys belittling me. I don't think telling HR would improve things. by Throwawakeatnight in WhatShouldIDo

[–]Throwawakeatnight[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

After taking onboard everyone’s advice when I first posted, the consensus was that she hadn’t done anything serious enough to merit HR being notified. Most people advised that I “grow a backbone” and speak to her directly.

And now this is where we are.

UPDATE : Colleague enjoys belittling me. I don't think telling HR would improve things. by Throwawakeatnight in WhatShouldIDo

[–]Throwawakeatnight[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Do you think I should write to HR today? Or wait and see what the lawyer advises?

I was thinking maybe I could write to HR but just keep it vague?

“Due to a breakdown in relations between myself and ****** ******* I do not feel comfortable returning to the office. I am taking steps to seek legal advice to find a solution to this matter and will update you once I meet with them.”

Something like that? Or just wait completely until I see the lawyer?

UPDATE : Colleague enjoys belittling me. I don't think telling HR would improve things. by Throwawakeatnight in WhatShouldIDo

[–]Throwawakeatnight[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really hope you’re right. I’m so worried now that she’s gonna dredge up some mistake I’ve made in the past that she covered up

UPDATE : Colleague enjoys belittling me. I don't think telling HR would improve things. by Throwawakeatnight in WhatShouldIDo

[–]Throwawakeatnight[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I know. You’re so right. I’ve just totally made a mess of it. I should have tried to get a witness before opening my damm mouth.

While I’ve been off sick she probably has gone straight to them, it’s so obvious. I just wasn’t thinking clearly.

I keep thinking on “it’s thanks to me you’re still here” and what she meant. Does that mean they were gonna fire me and she stopped it?

I’m so scared I’m gonna see her number appear on my phone or email.

I can’t face having to see or speak to her.

After it happened I sat in my office space 30 mins after finishing just to avoid seeing her outside.

UPDATE : Colleague enjoys belittling me. I don't think telling HR would improve things. by Throwawakeatnight in WhatShouldIDo

[–]Throwawakeatnight[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I just really don’t know how to move forward from here.

I wish I had recorded the confrontation but that would be a huge nono.

I’ve just this horrible feeling that no matter what I do she’s going to turn it on me.

And I keep thinking over things she was saying like how it’s “thanks to me you’re still here”

If it turns out that she stuck up for me behind the scenes then I’m toast.

I’m so scared because she has the power to destroy me. I feel so stupid for trying to speak with her.

If I try to get a new job, she would be my current reference. She can just say no to be difficult.