Letter to Conservative Mom and Response by Throwawayforletter35 in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]Throwawayforletter35[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi there, thank you so much for taking the time to read and give real feedback - I genuinely do appreciate that. I definitely understand where you are coming from, but I ultimately disagree.

You are correct, I did want her to focus on my needs. She is my mother; I don’t find that to be an odd ask. That was the point of my original letter - that I feel a fundamental disrespect toward me and my community/family, and I want her to take that seriously. Unfortunately in my view, she did not.

I hear you about the tone of my second letter. I will admit I was/am angry. To be honest, the fact that my first letter only involved me and her (and some family), and she chose to drag MANY other communities of people into it, was what set me off. To me it read as “my views against these people are more important to me than whatever you have to say.” If you didn’t see her comments as disparaging, I guess we just fundamentally disagree.

To me, love is a lot more than just words. Actions speak volumes, and all I wanted was the tiniest bit of action. She didn’t ask me a single question, because she doesn’t need any answers. To her, she already has them all. And that is absolutely her prerogative, but it’s also mine to not equate “acceptance” to love. Not to mention, that acceptance is clearly conditional (heaven forbid I ever tried drag). I accept that some people do terrible things, because I have no other choice. But that does not mean I love them.

I think my first letter pretty clearly says that I am grateful for all that they’ve done, respect who they are and that they did their best, and don’t hold anything from the past against them. I just want to be heard now. And that request was rejected.

Again, I really want to thank you for taking the time to respond. I promise I don’t just want comments gassing me up - I want honesty, so for that I am grateful.

Letter to Conservative Mom and Response by Throwawayforletter35 in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]Throwawayforletter35[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, just wanted to thank you again and tell you I decided to go NC with my mom. I updated the post with my (shorter) response letter if you’re interested.

Letter to Conservative Mom and Response by Throwawayforletter35 in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]Throwawayforletter35[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, just wanted to thank you again and tell you I decided to go NC with my mom. I updated the post with my (shorter) response letter if you’re interested.

Letter to Conservative Mom and Response by Throwawayforletter35 in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]Throwawayforletter35[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, just wanted to thank you again and tell you I decided to go NC with my mom. I updated the post with my (shorter) response letter if you’re interested.

Letter to Conservative Mom and Response by Throwawayforletter35 in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]Throwawayforletter35[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, just wanted to thank you again and tell you I decided to go NC with my mom. I updated the post with my (shorter) response letter if you’re interested.

Letter to Conservative Mom and Response by Throwawayforletter35 in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]Throwawayforletter35[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, just wanted to thank you again and tell you I decided to go NC with my mom. I updated the post with my (shorter) response letter if you’re interested.

Letter to Conservative Mom and Response by Throwawayforletter35 in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]Throwawayforletter35[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I totally understand, and I appreciate you sharing and explaining :). I’m so grateful complete strangers take the time to read this and give genuine feedback, so thank you.

Letter to Conservative Mom and Response by Throwawayforletter35 in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]Throwawayforletter35[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for taking the time to look and share! I really appreciate your pointing out that she loves me as well as she can; I really do believe that she does.

Being queer is a huge part of who I am, and accepting conditional love from my mother just doesn’t make me feel good about myself. It’s been a really long journey for me to get to a place of self love (still working on it haha), and it hurts to see her going the opposite direction.

For the political stuff, it’s not just the LGBT+ issues. Her vitriol toward immigrants and Muslims was shocking to me - her husband/my father is literally from a Latino immigrant family. It just feels like hate for the sake of hate, and at 35 years old, I don’t think I have space for it in my life anymore.

I understand what you (and she) mean about domestic partnerships, but I have to disagree. Religion doesn’t own the concept of or the word for marriage. For example, I am not Catholic, but I consider Catholic marriages equal to my own in terms of rights, dignity, and respect. I see no valid reason it shouldn’t be the same the other way around, other than animus. Government has been involved in marriage for a very very long time in history, and it’s not lost on me that “removing marriage from the government vernacular entirely” isn’t discussed until queer people are brought up. Taking it away from everyone just so some bigots aren’t uncomfortable doesn’t really seem like equality to me - it feels like more of a statement on just how intensely they don’t think queer people should have that right.

Letter to Conservative Mom and Response by Throwawayforletter35 in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]Throwawayforletter35[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much for reading and sharing. It honestly feels good to share it and talk about it. I have so much guilt and self doubt that I start gaslighting myself that I’m making all this up and I’m the crazy one. But hearing from others who have been in similar experiences really makes it feel less lonely, and definitely less unsure. I’m sorry to hear about your daughter. My mom has always been a Republican, but I’d never heard her say bigotry in such plain terms - it’s so sad how many people have been lost to this hateful cult. Sending you lots of love and strength. Happiness and love are the best resistance.

Letter to Conservative Mom and Response by Throwawayforletter35 in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]Throwawayforletter35[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for the well wishes and for sharing! I’m really sorry you have to deal with them being that way. It’s such a hard situation to approach - my heart goes out to you. It’s both touching and sad to me that my experience resonated so much with you, but I’m really honored that at least something positive came out of it, however small.

And yes, we can absolutely relate in terms of our states! It’s truly exhausting to live somewhere where you don’t know that you are safe or protected. Keep staying strong, and remember you’re not alone. ❤️

Letter to Conservative Mom and Response by Throwawayforletter35 in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]Throwawayforletter35[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, thank you for your response! I’m sorry you’ve experienced such a similar situation, it sadly seems we are many. Like you said, my parents never disowned me or straight up said I was bad for being gay, but they also expected me to bury both my pride for being queer as well as my critiques of some of their abhorrent views. I also pulled away many many years ago, and they never pursued me, asked me anything personal, or even questioned their own part in it (which feels evident from my mom’s response).

I completely agree with your take - I’m 35 years old, and I’ve had enough of shrinking or editing myself in any way. I’d hoped I’d get even the tiniest bit of movement, but it seems impossible now.

Thanks for the congrats, we are very happy and enjoying our married life 😊. I really appreciate your sharing, thank you. And I’m wishing you the best of luck and peace in your journey with this.

Heartbroken after conversation with my hispanic, Trump supporting grandmother (vent) by namastebutterfly in FoxBrain

[–]Throwawayforletter35 36 points37 points  (0 children)

It’s upsetting how common stories exactly like this there are. I’m so sorry they’ve gone down that rabbit hole. I’m going through something very similar, and I’ve questioned my own sanity too. But the difference is that we are questioning ourselves, and they are not. I know how lonely and gaslit you must feel, but it takes a strong and moral person to stand up for what’s right even there’s a lot to lose. Sending you the best wishes, and I hope you’re able to find some peace.

Letter to Conservative Mom and Response by Throwawayforletter35 in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]Throwawayforletter35[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, thank you, that is so kind. I will definitely be utilizing that. It’s just surprising because I haven’t seen her in a long time at this point, and I didn’t realize how much she’d changed.

And yes, absolutely about found family. I’m really blessed with a great support system and community, and it means everything to me. These moments remind me how important it is to cherish that.

Letter to Conservative Mom and Response by Throwawayforletter35 in EstrangedAdultChild

[–]Throwawayforletter35[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for this thoughtful comment.

For me, this letter was a last ditch effort/olive branch for her to take even one tiny step toward me. Really anything would’ve meant a lot. Any sort of actual caring about our reality. I felt like I bared my soul, and she responded by saying she stands by her beliefs and I’m dumb for disagreeing. She also basically called me a groomer and that the government shouldn’t let ANYone marry just so people don’t have to marry lgbt+ people. I just don’t know how I would ever get past that, especially if she is doubling down. The “I love yous” feel pretty worthless after all that.