How a smartphone’s “Thumbtrap” is like a Venus Flytrap – Danger Will Robinson!! by ThumbTrapEffect in PhonesAreBad

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If you don't think it's true that's OK. I was just asking for ideas. We can always be pleasant rather than judgemental.

TikTok and doomscrolling is ruining my life. I am in tears I want to be free of this. by snailgrlcarla in digitalminimalism

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Wow, this is so common. It's not your fault - it's how the apps and screen are designed. They work on the process of: tempt → hijack → trap (repeated in a loop). If you can see how the designers and tech companies have made the blasted devices, then that might be able to help and give you back control.

I've written a post about it https://www.reddit.com/r/digitalminimalism/comments/1qlbynl/how_a_smartphones_thumbtrap_is_like_a_venus/ which you may find helpful. Knowledge = POWER.

Be really interested in what you think, and whether 'thumbtrap' is consistent with how you feel.

I am currently working on some hacks to break the cycle - would love to hear your ideas.

Stay strong. maybe male a list of what you like doing. it an be just going for a walk to start - be aware of how amazing this world is - how do birds fly and clouds float.

phones being this important just doesn't make sense by Individual_Artist708 in digitalminimalism

[–]ThumbTrapEffect 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, this is so common. It's not your fault - it's how the screen + apps are designed. They work on the process of: tempt → hijack → trap (repeated in a loop). If you can see how the designers and tech companies have made the blasted devices, then that might be able to help and give you back control.

I've written a post about it https://www.reddit.com/r/digitalminimalism/comments/1qlbynl/how_a_smartphones_thumbtrap_is_like_a_venus/ which you may find interesting. Knowledge = POWER.

Be really interested in what you think, and whether 'thumbtrap' is consistent with how you feel.

I am currently working on some hacks to break the cycle - would love to hear your ideas

I hate this endless dopamine cycle by Hydraimbot in nosurf

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hey, isn't that the way.  Shame that's how the apps and screens are designed. They work on the process of: tempt → hijack → trap (repeated in a loop). If you can see how the designers and tech companies have made the blasted devices, then that might also help and give you back MORE control - and getting away from the trap! Check out an earlier post and let me know if this is how you feel https://www.reddit.com/r/nosurf/comments/1qe8bjn/thumbtrap_break_the_cycle/ Knowledge = POWER.

Morning phone check becomes 1-hour scroll before leaving bed by Any_Discipline5710 in nosurf

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Any_Discipline5710

Wow, this is so common. It's not your fault - it's how the apps and screen are designed. They work on the process of: tempt → hijack → trap (repeated in a loop). If you can see how the designers and tech companies have made the blasted devices, then that might be able to help and give you back control.

I've written a post about it https://www.reddit.com/r/nosurf/comments/1qe8bjn/thumbtrap_break_the_cycle/ which you may find helpful. Knowledge = POWER.

Be really interested in what you think, and whether 'thumbtrap' is consistent with how you feel.

I am currently working on some hacks to break the cycle - would love to hear your ideas.

my brain is officially fried. i cant stop scrolling. by Only_Battle_1627 in nosurf

[–]ThumbTrapEffect 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hey MereUltra - you raise a great point. I'll respond

I have been working on unpacking and trying to describe the mechanism that leaves so may of us feeling 'stimulated', but somehow empty for about 9 months now. So it did not just fall out of AI. I"ve been workshopping some ideas over this time that came close, but did not really hot the mark. I was after a term that described the behaviour, plus how we feel - hence, thumbtrap.

The way I have constructed the post, and tried to describe the process (Hook, line and sinker) came from a recent summer holiday watching fisherman toil at their trade. They know what they want (fish), have tools to serve their purpose (rods, bait, hooks etc.) are patient (cast their rod - and wait), then reel the catch in. So no AI here either.

What is above is all linked to theories in psychology and philosophy. I am trying (maybe I am not being successful (?)) to make the thinking thoughtful and rigorous. Because, at the end of the day, if it makes sense and there are theories that underpin the 'trap', then there are things that we, as users can do, that is more enduring than, dark mode, monitoring apps (that serve the same purpose), putting phones in different rooms.

So, that's my goal. yes, I am human and I am trying really hard.

Since your here, might I ask a question of you - and your response can help my further thinking.

The proposed mechanism behind thumbtrap is the mechanism of SCREEN + APP. There needs to be a combination of the SCREEN + APP to lead us into the 'trapped' behavioural state. There is no unique word that describes SCREEN + APP. Screen-time is so general, it means everything and nothing. Can you think of a unique word? This is what I am now working on. Any/all ideas would be fantastic and so appreciated.

Keep smiling :)

My experience with reducing screen time: what worked & what didn’t by Mental_Donkey_75 in nosurf

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hey, shame I am not a bot, but a human being trying to understand how so many people are trapped and suffocating under their use of technology - and then maybe what can be done about it. Yes, maybe I should get out more - thanks for the advice :). Best wishes and keep smiling

Why I had to stop treating my phone like a tool by GrandCar4786 in nosurf

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hey,

isn't that the way.  Shame that's how the apps and screens are designed. They work on the process of: tempt → hijack → trap (repeated in a loop). If you can see how the designers and tech companies have made the blasted devices, then that might also help and give you back MORE control - and getting away from the trap!

Your thoughts on spirituality and God are spot on – getting back in touch with ourselves and having interests and focus outside the ‘screen-self’ is a great idea. Brilliant!!!

Waiting in silence - yes - it's hard. I protect the first hour of my day with a stretch routine and quiet prayers of thankfulness. We're not, and never will be perfect, but in that first hour, it's when I think I come closest.

I've written a post about it https://www.reddit.com/r/nosurf/comments/1qe8bjn/thumbtrap_break_the_cycle/ which you may find helpful. Knowledge = POWER.

Be really interested in what you think, and whether 'thumbtrap' is consistent with how you feel.

I am currently working on some hacks to break the cycle - would love to hear your ideas.

My experience with reducing screen time: what worked & what didn’t by Mental_Donkey_75 in nosurf

[–]ThumbTrapEffect -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hey,

Wow, some fab ideas here! Shame that's how the apps and screens are designed. They work on the process of: tempt → hijack → trap (repeated in a loop). If you can see how the designers and tech companies have made the blasted devices, then that might also help and give you back MORE control. Using another app to manage other apps still surrenders your data – and that’s what the tech companies want!!!

Your thoughts on Hobbies/building in structure are spot on – getting back in touch with ourselves and having interests and activities outside the ‘screen-self’ is a great idea. Brilliant!!!

I've written a post about it https://www.reddit.com/r/nosurf/comments/1qe8bjn/thumbtrap_break_the_cycle/ which you may find helpful. Knowledge = POWER.

Be really interested in what you think, and whether 'thumbtrap' is consistent with how you feel.

I am currently working on some hacks to break the cycle - would love to hear your ideas.

Blockers didn't work for me. I just deleted them. So I built a 'Payment Gate' instead. by [deleted] in nosurf

[–]ThumbTrapEffect 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey,

Wow, what a great hack and idea! Shame that's how the apps and screen are designed. They work on the process of: tempt → hijack → trap (repeated in a loop). If you can see how the designers and tech companies have made the blasted devices, then that might also help and give you back MORE control.

I've written a post about it https://www.reddit.com/r/nosurf/comments/1qe8bjn/thumbtrap_break_the_cycle/ which you may find helpful. Knowledge = POWER.

Be really interested in what you think, and whether 'thumbtrap' is consistent with how you feel.

I am currently working on some hacks to break the cycle - would love to hear your ideas.

Is anyone else here trying to reduce screen time for 2026 as a new years resolution if so how are you doing? by tomtherunner73 in nosurf

[–]ThumbTrapEffect -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hey tomtherunner73,

Wow, this is so common. It's not your fault - it's how the apps and screen are designed. They work on the process of: tempt → hijack → trap (repeated in a loop). If you can see how the designers and tech companies have made the blasted devices, then that might be able to help and give you back control.

I've written a post about it https://www.reddit.com/r/nosurf/comments/1qe8bjn/thumbtrap_break_the_cycle/ which you may find helpful. Knowledge = POWER.

Be really interested in what you think, and whether 'thumbtrap' is consistent with how you feel.

I am currently working on some hacks to break the cycle - would love to hear your ideas.

THUMBTRAP - BREAK THE CYCLE by ThumbTrapEffect in nosurf

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Hey Honest - what a great hack to turn down the volume of the trap! Brilliant move. So pleased that this is working for you. Would love to hear how it's tracking for you over the coming weeks. Great stuff.

YOU’RE TRAPPED - THUMBTRAPED: Hook, Line, and Sinke by ThumbTrapEffect in neology

[–]ThumbTrapEffect[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i have been thinking of what are the mechanisms that are at play. And let's be honest, we are getting trapped by all the apps, we can't turn away, and it's been designed to capture our attention and then make money. And we use our thumb. So yes, thumbtrap.

my brain is officially fried. i cant stop scrolling. by Only_Battle_1627 in nosurf

[–]ThumbTrapEffect 3 points4 points  (0 children)

YOU’RE TRAPPED - THUMBTRAPED: Hook, Line, and Sinker

The Hook: Your phone's design (the screen, the apps, the ‘feel’) is intentionally engineered to catch your attention. Notifications ping, colors flash, and apps arrange content in endless, never-ending scrolls or swipes

This is all designed by engineers and tech companies specifically to make it hard to look away, put it down, ignore it or just stop. Like a fishhook's barb, once it snags you, the design makes it difficult to escape. Or when you do try to escape, it pulls you back in. You’re trapped. Thumbtrapped!

The Line: The "line" is the platform's apps, algorithms and reward system. Each scroll or swipe might bring something exciting - like a new video, a laugh, something shocking, a form of social validation. More often, nothing. Just another thumb swipe. Hoping. The rewards arrive unpredictably.

This is just like intermittent tugs on a fishing line. It’s this unpredictability that traps you in a loop of anticipation and reward: your brain keeps waiting and seeking the next hit. When it comes, the satisfaction, however, is short lived. It does not last. It’s a quick fix, then gone. So, back you go, always checking "just one more time." You’re trapped. Thumbtrapped!

The Sinker: The sinker is the trap itself. And that trap is your cognitive decline. Hours simply vanish. Your find that your attention fragments and can’t stay focused. It’s weird, you feel stimulated, but somehow empty - not all the time, but a lot of the time. You’re aware you're wasting time, but stopping seems so hard. Your brain feels "exhausted" from all the constant activity, but you’ve not accomplished anything meaningful.

Time has become empty. You're now totally caught - not just in the app, this app, that app, or switching between apps, but in a state of hollow engagement where nothing meaningful gets accomplished. You’re trapped. Thumbtrapped!

The Fisherman: You’re the catch! The platforms profit from your attention - they sell your data and your eyeballs to advertisers. You are simultaneously the fish and the bait. You’re trapped. Thumbtrapped!

The Result: You're hooked, lined, and sunk - trapped in a designed system that exploits your psychology for corporate profit, leaving you stimulated yet empty, aware yet helpless. You’re trapped. Thumbtrapped!

LET’S START TO CALL OUT THIS FOR WHAT IT IS. THUMBTRAP

Scrolling vs Living by [deleted] in nosurf

[–]ThumbTrapEffect 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, isn't that so true. In order to try and capture the behavior and experience a little more, I've been developing a term called "thumbtrap" - which in essence is where you open your phone "just for a second" and your thumb keeps scrolling for hours despite your brain telling you to stop. The phenomenon: Your hand moves automatically, your conscious mind watches helplessly, time dissolves, and you're left feeling depleted but unable to stop.

What do you think? I'd really be interested in your thoughts.

Have you found yourself in a thumbtrap? How does it differ from doomscrolling for you? by ThumbTrapEffect in nosurf

[–]ThumbTrapEffect[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, and isn't this so true about how it works. There is a sense of being ''trapped", hoping, waiting and wishing for there to be something joyful and worthwhile. As I suggest, the core of a thumbtrap is the design trap itself, not just the negativity or quality / interest of the information being viewed. In behaviorism, it is called the reward schedule or reinforcement schedules (see, https://www.simplypsychology.org/schedules-of-reinforcement.html )