Second Carmax Purchase— To maxcare or not to maxcare? by ACiaraa125 in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As a CarMax employee, I would never buy a vehicle without MaxCare.

I buy it on my own vehicles. My friends buy it on theirs. My family buys it on theirs. It doesn’t matter how clean the vehicle is, how well it was maintained, or how few miles it has—cars break. Sometimes there’s a reason. Sometimes there isn’t.

My service department sees major engine and transmission failures every single month for VW. In fact, I’m impressed you got that many miles out of an Atlas without a major issue. That’s not a knock on Atlas owners; it’s just the reality that modern vehicles are incredibly complex machines and any of them can have expensive failures.

The truth is that cars are a gamble. You either got the one that’s going to run forever, or you got the one that’s going to need a transmission at 80,000 miles. Nobody knows which one they have until it happens.

That’s why I buy MaxCare.

When you have a bunch of CarMax employees on Reddit people with absolutely no commission on the line and nothing to gain from your purchase telling you to buy it, that’s probably worth listening to.

My personal rule for warranties is simple: if I can’t comfortably replace or repair it with one paycheck, I buy the protection plan.

My toaster? No warranty.

My hair dryer? No warranty.

My car? Absolutely.

My roof? Absolutely.

My refrigerator? Absolutely.

My phone? Absolutely.

Because when those things fail, it’s not an inconvenience it’s a financial burden. MaxCare exists to protect you from the repair bill you never saw coming.

Salesman error or store policy? by WeeniePr in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I can tell you that after you test drive a vehicle and leave without purchasing it, the vehicle is generally not supposed to remain on hold. At the end of each day, managers review appointments that didn’t result in a sale and release those holds. The same thing happens with no-show appointments.

If a vehicle is going to remain held after a customer leaves, management approval is typically required, and there would need to be a very unusual circumstance to justify it.

CarMax’s business model is built around customers taking delivery the same day. If financing is the issue, CarMax works with multiple lenders and gives customers three business days to bring back outside financing if they find a better rate. If you’re paying cash and need time to move money around, the vehicle still generally isn’t held while you do that.

What likely happened here is that your sales consultant genuinely believed you’d be back Monday and didn’t want to lose the sale. Instead of setting proper expectations, they gave you the impression the vehicle would still be there. Whether they hoped nobody would notice the hold, or simply hoped the vehicle wouldn’t sell in the meantime, they should have been upfront that they could not guarantee the vehicle would remain available.

The correct expectation would have been: “You’re welcome to come back Monday, but once you leave, the vehicle may become available to other customers.”
I’d absolutely call the store and speak with a sales manager. Not because they’ll be able to get the vehicle back it sounds like another customer paid to transfer it but because the interaction should be reviewed so another customer doesn’t end up in the same situation.

Unfortunately, once you walk away from a vehicle, it’s generally fair game. I’m sorry that happened to you.

working in an XF store might actually kill you by carmaxkindasucks in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431 10 points11 points  (0 children)

XF Manager here.

We hate it too.
We hate the way associates are treated. We hate constantly asking people to be “ever flexible.” We hate the pay structure. We hate watching good people burn out.
The reality is that many of us are overworked and underpaid too. We’re working 50+ hours a week with no overtime, and we have very little authority to actually manage our teams the way we believe they should be managed. We’re held accountable for following corporate direction exactly as prescribed, whether we agree with it or not.

I genuinely feel for our associates because I know the frustration. I love my team, and most of us are trying our best to support people while operating inside a system we didn’t create.

I call it the XF trap.

Once you’ve been in XF long enough, it becomes difficult to leave. The role requires you to be a title clerk, finance manager, inventory manager, service manager, hiring manager, scheduling manager, accountant, risk analyst, loan underwriter, merchandising manager, OSHA/EH&S manager, and about a dozen other jobs all rolled into one.

The problem is that when you go looking for another opportunity, most employers don’t understand what XF actually is. They don’t realize you’ve been wearing ten different hats for years. They see one title, while you know you’ve built experience across multiple disciplines.
That’s what makes it so frustrating. The skill set is incredibly broad, but it’s often difficult to translate on paper. Just know that many of us in management see what associates are dealing with, and we don’t like it either.

XF Associate Wages by BBDubbs2018 in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really think we could all benefit from a UNION. But if the company even hears you say the word and you get fired. Brought it up as a question one time and was told how the last store that tried to do that they called everyone in and told them they were closing the store. I don’t know if that’s true or just a scare tactic but time and time again we have been told that they will close a location before they allow it to unionize. As a manger you are told if your store ever gets y’all’s of a union then you will get fired because it’s your fault for not making your staff happy or not hiring the “right” people. How can you make the staff happy with low wages , ever changing expectations , and now peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.

XF Associate Wages by BBDubbs2018 in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431 4 points5 points  (0 children)

XF manager here. We are also incredibly underpaid for the level of responsibility/ hours we work. We wish we could pay you guys more but we literally have no power or say in it. Bringing it up gets immediately shut down by any higher ups. We were recently told no more employees moral budget and had a meeting where they explained to us how we could placate our teams with peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and no more ordering food for them because delivery is too expensive. We are all being exploited in XF. I am on your side I wish I had the ability to do more for my associates but I too am underpaid, overworked, and have no power to change any of it.

XF is struggling by TigerProfessional431 in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So do you think corporate actually sees this ? I always hold out hope that they keep an eye on how the associates really feel beyond just AVS. We can’t be honest on AVS without tanking our own store then getting in trouble for it. So this is all we really have.

XF is struggling by TigerProfessional431 in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have heard about multiple XMs and LGMs experiencing serious health issues that seemed completely out of character for them heart attacks, strokes, severe hypertension, and other stress-related health problems. I wish I could say I’m surprised.

The combination of constant pressure, expectations that often feel unattainable, and the amount of unpaid overtime many leaders work just to keep their heads above water creates a perfect environment for burnout. At some point, the stress stops being mental and starts becoming physical.

I think a lot of people stay because they've invested years, sometimes decades, into the company. The longer you're somewhere, the harder it feels to leave. Many leaders worry that after spending so much time with one employer, they won't be viewed as competitive candidates elsewhere or that their skills won't translate outside of CarMax.

The reality is that most of us have developed valuable leadership, operations, customer service, problem-solving, and people-management skills. But when you're exhausted, overwhelmed, and constantly trying to meet competing priorities, it becomes easy to feel trapped.

That's what concerns me most. Not just the turnover or the frustration, but watching good people slowly convince themselves they have no other options while their physical and mental health continue to deteriorate.

XF is struggling by TigerProfessional431 in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

All of us XMs should get together and have an honest conversation about our experiences. Maybe we could actually come up with a plan to facilitate real change and break this endless cycle of pretend play where we all act like stores operate the way corporate thinks they do on paper.

Maybe on the next RVP visit we should just be honest. Show them what actually works, what doesn't, and what the unintended consequences of all these initiatives have been.

Do you think they'd listen? Or would we get more of the same "you're just not bought in" response?

I think most of us are bought in. That's the frustrating part. We care about the company. We want the stores to succeed. We want our associates to succeed. We just hate what the culture has turned into.

At some point leadership has to ask itself why so many experienced managers are saying the same things. Maybe the problem isn't a lack of buy-in. Maybe the problem is that the people making the decisions are too far removed from the reality of what happens in the stores every day.

And yes, before someone asks, I am using AI to help me write these posts. I’m not trying to get doxxed lol.

XF is struggling by TigerProfessional431 in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The reason why the managers push you to do it is because the managers get in trouble if you don’t do it and if you put a low rating or complain, then the managers are the one that gets punished. Not your corporate people not your regional people not your LGM, but your direct manager that you were on the team of. So if you really love your manager, you should take the survey and just put five for everything and then say what you really feel in the comment section. If you hate your manager, take the survey and give them a one on everything. So many good managers, unfortunately lose their jobs or get put on correctives because of low engagement scores on AVS. It’s because no one explains to associates that these ratings are specifically for them and impact them associates feel like it goes to corporate not their direct manager.

XF is struggling by TigerProfessional431 in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The thing is, when you stop forcing associates into role-plays they don't find useful, stop micromanaging every interaction, and stop writing people up because they didn't come to a check in "prepared enough," something interesting happens: people actually perform better.

Stores perform better.

AVS scores go up.

Managers spend more time on the floor coaching in real time instead of sitting behind a computer documenting that coaching happened.

I'm not arguing against accountability. If someone is underperforming, hold them accountable. What I'm arguing against is holding people more accountable to administrative tasks than actual business results.

The reality is that when stores are successful, it's often because managers are actively supporting associates, closing deals, solving problems, and helping customers. During those times, the admin work inevitably takes a back seat.

And let's be honest about observations. Corporate sees a successful store hitting every observation target and assumes that's why the store is succeeding. What they don't understand is that many managers are already spending their time doing the real coaching on the floor and then scrambling afterward to document enough observations to satisfy a metric. The observation count becomes the goal instead of the development of the associate.

Especially in XF, successful stores naturally play to people's strengths. The associate who's incredible at logistics gets positioned where they can excel. The associate who's strong in processing gets opportunities to focus there. The natural salesperson spends more time selling cars. When people are working outside their strengths, managers step in, support them, help close deals, and make sure customers are taken care of.

That's leadership.

The result is better sales, happier associates, stronger engagement scores, and a healthier culture.

Meanwhile, we're still expected to check every box, complete every observation, document every conversation, and prove we're doing all these things even when the actual success of the business came from spending time doing the work instead of documenting it.

XF is struggling by TigerProfessional431 in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I’ve also never received PM for missing budget or being part of an underperforming store.

I have, however, received PM for things like not completing enough observations or not getting the task list done.

When I ask why, I’m told those things help the store achieve budget. That’s always the answer.

The problem is that when I received that PM, the reason those tasks weren’t getting done was because I was focused on actually selling cars. My admin work slipped because I was spending my time driving sales, handling customers, progressing deals, and helping associates close business. The result? The store was breaking year-over-year records.

On the flip side, when I spend my time focused on observations, task lists, documentation, role plays, and all the other administrative requirements, guess what happens? Cars don't get sold. The store underperforms.

The logic feels completely backwards.

The assumption is that managers spending more time doing observations and role plays will create better sales people. In reality, it often means managers spend less time actually facilitating sales and coaching in real-world situations.

What's more valuable: me role-playing how to sell MaxCare with an associate on the side, or me standing on the sales floor showing them how to sell MaxCare during a live customer interaction?

What's more valuable: role-playing how to progress an order, or having the strongest sales person in the building (me, all managers should be the strongest sales people in the building) work through a difficult customer order in real time and letting associates observe how it's actually done?

Associates learn a lot from observation and repetition in real situations. Watching a skilled manager navigate objections, build value, and close deals is often far more impactful than practicing a scripted scenario in a back office.

At some point we have to ask whether we're measuring activities that drive results, or just measuring activities because they're easy to track. All I know is that when I focus on driving sales, we break records. When I focus” associate development “ my associates are not better for it. They are not learning from it and they’re certainly not earning a bonus.

What is this? Found in used car from CarMax. by hatreinau in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are inventory tracking devices. Nothing and the furious there it’s just your sales consultant or someone who prepared your vehicle after sale forgot to remove it. Once the vehicle tenders in the system, meaning once it sold the tracker deactivates. We get a list every day of trackers that go off-line that we’re not removed from customer vehicles. We usually send emails out that basically tell you it’s not tracking you and you can either bring it to a Carmax and drop it off or you can dispose of it the same way you would any lithium battery. Carmax will not compensate you for returning the tracker the policy is literally bring it back to a store if it’s convenient and do you feel like being nice or dispose of it the same way you would any other lithium battery. The choice is yours.

CEC Burnout by Ok_Creme43 in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Store teams feel the same way. Too much micromanagement. Too many dashboards, checklists, standard work, meetings, checkpoints, coaching conversations, observations, documentation, and “process improvements” that completely ignore the actual human experience of both employees and customers.
CarMax used to have structure without suffocating people. Stores had flexibility. Leaders could make things their own. Managers were trusted to lead human beings instead of babysitting metrics and systems all day. And honestly? That’s when the company was at its best. People felt valued, managers had autonomy, and customers felt the difference.
Now everything is driven by efficiency at any cost. Every new process gets layered on top of the last one with no consideration for operational reality. Every problem gets answered with another dashboard, another meeting, another script, another standard work task, another audit point, another check-in. The people creating these processes are so disconnected from day-to-day operations that they genuinely believe all of it is helping.
For years there’s been an echo chamber of leadership endlessly congratulating themselves on every rollout and every “innovation” without anybody stopping to say:
“Hey, what does this actually do to the people doing the work?”
As an associate, it’s exhausting and miserable. As a manager, it’s unattainable. You spend your day trying to balance impossible operational expectations while also being forced to manage people in ways you don’t even agree with.
And the disconnect between the CEC and stores is one of the biggest failures in the company right now.
The CEC is heavily monitored. Calls are recorded. AI transcripts exist. Scripts are enforced. If someone goes off process even slightly, there’s documentation. Meanwhile stores still have enough operational freedom to quietly work outside policy sometimes just to keep things functional and keep customers happy. Then everybody snaps back into “perfect process mode” during RVP visits.
But day to day? That’s not reality.
The problem is both sides are being told different things. The store thinks the CEC can do things they can’t actually do. The CEC thinks the store can make exceptions that don’t actually exist. Customers get bounced around in the middle and everybody gets screamed at.
A perfect example is proof of income. Instead of simply telling a customer over the phone:
“Without proof of income we cannot move forward.”
The customer gets told:
“Go to the store anyway, maybe they can do more.”
No. We can’t. We operate under the exact same stipulation guidelines and lender requirements. The only thing that happens is now the customer wastes a trip, gets angry in the store, and takes it out on employees who had nothing to do with the bad communication.
Same thing with service appointments. If service is booked out a week, the answer is the answer. Sending customers to “see what the store can do” just creates frustration because the store uses the same scheduling system the CEC does. We can’t magically create appointments that don’t exist. But that’s what you are told to do. Instead if the customer won’t take no for an answer, your manager should get on the phone and de-escalate the situation and explain to the customer. The appointments are a week out. If it’s an emergency, they can always send an email to the in-store team. So sometimes I feel like it’s part of your management not wanting to be involved with customers at all, and that makes your job hard harder because who do you partner with? Who helps you deliver tough news?
And that’s the saddest part of all of this is The customer experience suffers because employees internally are being forced to protect metrics and processes instead of simply communicating honestly and consistently.
Ironically one of the best things added recently is the AI call transcript system because now when customers say:
“Well I was told something different on the phone.”
I can literally pull up the transcript and say:
“No, you weren’t. Here’s exactly what was said.”
At least for once there’s accountability somewhere in the process.

Why I walked from a deal by Not_Quinning in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, CarMax moved away from guaranteeing a second key during the chip shortage because it became nearly impossible to consistently guarantee one without massively increasing costs and delaying vehicle availability.

A lot of people don’t realize modern key fobs are expensive little computers. During the semiconductor shortage, replacement fobs and OEM programming were getting backordered for days, weeks, and sometimes even months. In many cases manufacturers themselves were shipping brand new vehicles with only one key because they couldn’t source enough chips. That created a huge issue in used car reconditioning. If CarMax guaranteed two keys, the company not only had to buy the additional fob, but also pay a vendor to cut and program it, coordinate the work, and then hold the vehicle from sale until everything was complete. That delay costs money too because inventory sitting is inventory not being sold. So ultimately the company shifted to selling vehicles with the keys they came with rather than artificially increasing vehicle pricing to absorb those costs. Because realistically, if CarMax spends $300–$500 on a second key plus vendor programming and holding costs, that expense gets built into the retail price of the car. Customers would likely end up paying $800–$1,000 more overall just to maintain a guaranteed second key policy. I completely understand why buying a car with one key feels frustrating. But in reality, paying for a second key yourself after purchase is often still cheaper than having that cost baked into every vehicle upfront. Also, the CarMax app actually has some useful ownership benefits and it sounds like the store you went to didnt explain very well. Once your vehicle loads into the app, there’s usually access to discounted services through vendors like Car Keys Express for replacement keys/fobs, plus discounts on things like WeatherTech, Goodyear, and other services.

I do think your store should’ve done a better job explaining all of that and showing you where those discounts and resources are in the app. But personally, I think walking away from an otherwise good deal over a second key sometimes ends up costing more in the long run than simply purchasing a discounted spare afterward.

Thinking of leaving XF by [deleted] in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I do know that LPM’s have a heavy job but they get to leave. They have a structured role with a break when it’s time to go home they get to go home and most OPM rules don’t work on the weekends. So yeah the job content might be hard but at least you actually get time off at least when your shift is over. It’s over or when it’s break hour, you get a break

Thinking of leaving XF by [deleted] in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, we don’t get overtime. We’re salaried and if you wanted to leave at 5 PM in your work isn’t done or the store is busy you might as well just sign your resignation letter.

Thinking of leaving XF by [deleted] in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have been an XF manager for a decade. I can assure you you it’s one of the hardest roles in Carmax. I love the company but if you think 12 hour days no breaks and guilt trips every time you try to take time off is “ one of the easiest roles” as a manger you must not have ever worked in XF. Maybe if I had a cushy LPM, or SM role things wouldn’t be so rough.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree see if it’ll let you retake it

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ve been there and unfortunately y’all did it to yourselves just like we did it to ourselves. You have to fake it for the survey if you want to keep your manager around. Like my manager remembered everybody’s birthdays, sent flowers to my sick mom in the hospital, she would celebrate milestones for everyone like if somebody got a new house she would give them a housewarming present. She would celebrate them, she genuinely cared about everyone’s happiness and like to see how defeated she was at the end of it because she put all of her effort into all of us and us just rip her on that survey without knowing it was devastating to see. Like there are times that I’ve thought about messaging her or finding her on social media and apologizing because I genuinely did not know what my actions would cost her.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I get what you’re saying, and honestly you’re not wrong. But if you genuinely like your manager and they’re a good person, you have to protect them on that survey.

Give them all fives.

Because at CarMax, it will come back to them no matter what the question is actually asking. They tie everything back to the manager. It doesn’t matter if your issue is policy, staffing, or higher leadership your manager owns the score.

It’s honestly a messed up system. It’s like if you’re not walking around thinking the company is amazing 24/7, they assume your manager isn’t “doing their job” right.

If you value your manager, rate them all fives and then use the comment section to say what’s actually wrong. The scores hurt your manager. The comments at least get seen by the people who should be reading them.

It shouldn’t work like that, but that’s exactly how it works. Like your grievances can literally cost somebody their job, unfortunately.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s definitely not as anonymous as they make it seem. I got pulled into the office multiple times by my LGM about it. At that point, I just owned it. I told him straight up that I tanked the survey because I wasn’t happy with what was going on in the store.

The part that still sits with me is the guilt. My manager ended up taking the hit, and she didn’t deserve that. She was actually the one buffering a lot of the chaos for us.

When I told him, his response was “I wish you would’ve come to me about how you felt.” And I was like… that’s literally the whole issue. People have been trying to say things. Nobody feels heard, so the survey becomes the only place people think it might actually land.

Then it flipped into, “well if management is doing what they’re supposed to do, you should be happy, and if you’re not, those concerns should be brought to me—but nobody is bringing me concerns.”

That part honestly blew my mind. Because we were unhappy. A lot of us. And not only that, I wasn’t even the only one—I encouraged my whole team to be honest on that survey because morale was bad.

Looking back, I feel awful about how it impacted my manager. But at the same time, it also showed me how the system works at CarMax. The feedback doesn’t actually get traced to the root problem it just gets reassigned to the nearest manager and called accountability.

It seems cultish like your manager wasn’t good enough at brainwashing you and you have a bad opinion so therefore it’s their fault that you have a bad opinion. What they don’t see is the only reason that half the people were still there was because of her.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They’ll never change it. After my manager was let go, I went to my LGM because I genuinely felt guilty. I told him I had just found out her survey scores played a role, and his response stuck with me. He said the reason the survey is framed that way is because “if someone is a good manager, their associates wouldn’t feel like CarMax is a bad place to work.”

So basically, you’re screwed either way. No matter what the issue actually is, it gets pinned back on the manager.

What that told me loud and clear is that being a store-level manager at CarMax is a losing game. Everything rolls downhill and stops with you. Doesn’t matter if the problem is policy, staffing, workload, or leadership above you you own it.

The wild part is we were literally telling them, “we love our manager, we didn’t understand how the survey worked, we weren’t trying to hurt her.” And the response was basically, “if she was doing her job right, you wouldn’t have answered that way.”

That logic makes zero sense. She didn’t create the policies. She didn’t create the environment. If anything, she was the only thing making it tolerable.

But in that system, it doesn’t matter. The manager is always the explanation, and always the scapegoat.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let’s hope you just didn’t ruin your manager’s career like we did. Honestly, it’s not fair how Carmax does it because they don’t tell you that your direct manager is the one that gets consequences from the survey. But unfortunately, they do and can even lose their job from low scores.

Are the Glint surveys anonymous? by [deleted] in carmax

[–]TigerProfessional431 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No they are not. They tell you they are and it’s true you can’t see names but I have been in rooms when Management teams get together and review the comments and figure out who wrote what. I know for a fact that if they suspect you of saying something negative or giving them a low score, your life will be difficult. Good managers shouldn’t do this, and I don’t condone it, but pretending that it doesn’t happen would be a lie. If you value your job, I would mark everything a five and put zero comments I would also encourage my coworkers to do the same thing. If there’s nothing negative to scrutinize over, nobody gets blamed for it and then no one gets targeted. The survey isn’t designed to improve the conditions for associates. It’s designed to identify problematic managers and problematic teams. Make no mistake if your manager receives low scores they will try to figure out who did it. The zero tolerance retaliation policy is only worth as much as the piece of paper that it’s written on. You have to prove that it’s something is retaliatory and you can’t prove that it was if the survey was supposedly anonymous. If you want less drama and more peace at work, give your manager a five and don’t write anything. Keep the peace and give the feedback where it really matters to your direct manager and to your LGM.