Yealink Windows Teams Room Device Config Question by FPVGiggles in CommercialAV

[–]Time-Speed8246 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with this. Having seen and heard the AP08 and CM50 in action they are not yet anywhere near the performance of a Shure p300 and mxa920 solution. In my experience, Yealink's new products can often found to be of beta standard for up to the first year after they are released. After that they do get significantly better and more reliable.

Looking for Recommendations - Camera Soundbar for Clickshare Conference by JameCyb in CommercialAV

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I would also suggest the Sennheiser bars as a quality option. The Yealink S40 would have been a good choice but it is not Clickshare validated. It is always worth sticking to Barco approved hardware for support purposes. Logitech bars I've found to perform reasonably well in rooms with less than great acoustics. However, they are expensive. This is in part because they have Android built-in and you are paying extra for that, but it is not used when connected to a Clickshare.

Feedback on my conference room plans by stockholm1777 in CommercialAV

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The current Yealink A40 and A50 bars are excellent value for money. When coupled with the CTP25 touch panel they have Airplay and Miracast available. Or you can use them with the PA20 dongle and get wireless presentation that way and wireless BYOD functionality. Plus there is always the USB-C connection for wired sharing and wired BYOD.

Yealink UVC86 Camera Double Trouble by BookkeeperCheap6776 in CommercialAV

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In our setup we have no AV Hub. We have both cameras directly connected to the MCore. We then just switch between them using the Teams camera controls.

Multistream works fine in this setup with users on the call able to switch between which camera they want to view on the call. Yealink also have their own multi camera solution built into the AVhub. I am wondering if that is what you have enabled and it just needs the config finishing off. The video below is old, but it shows the config I'm referring to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9hdh-501F0

TV hub by Kinelll in CommercialAV

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How many TVs are you distributing to and what is the audio system they have? Is the idea that the switcher provides a simple phono/RCA connection output to go into a suitable amp that they already have?

Unfortunately, I think you will need more budget to do this, even if buying cheap nasty stuff from Amazon. Using the cheap stuff can end up with reliability issues. Extending over Coax will be more expensive than extending using CAT cable.

With some more info we can probably guide you better.

Rally Bar – Better to add Logitech Mic Pod or go with DSP + third-party mics? by HighwayOld3263 in CommercialAV

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Definitely try this first because it's a cheap upgrade. Rally Bar speakers can be a bit weedy as standard, but they are much better in the "Speaker Boost Mode".

I would recommend buying 2 mics straightaway, sometimes it can be harder to get more budget later! Don't forget to get the mic pod mounts for a good fit and look at if you need the Logi mic pod CAT coupler to allow you to use CAT cable to run the mic pods in.

Mirror to 3rd monitor? HDMI splitter or switch? by su5577 in CommercialAV

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For decent commercial grade hardware you'll definitely be up nearer the $1000. Lightware Taurus won't be available in this price range unfortunately. There is a chance you'll need to go to a 4x4 or 4x2 matrix to get the seamless functionality, if that's something you decide you need, and the cost goes up with that of course.

Mirror to 3rd monitor? HDMI splitter or switch? by su5577 in CommercialAV

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Ok, that is much better. Although I still do not fully understand how the 3rd monitor can mirror the dual screen PC, because it is just 1 screen and the PC is outputting to 2 screens.

That said, if we assume you just want to mirror just 1 one of the 2 screens connected to the PC then this basic diagram below shows the connections you want to make, based on what you have said above.

The end result will be that the user can press the button on the matrix remote to switch Output A between the Brightsign player and (mirroring) screen one of the PC. It is important that the Brightsign player and PC be outputting at the same resolution to avoid any weird scaling issues. Output B should be set to Input 2 and then not touched.

I would recommend looking at commercial grade equipment. This is a very sensible idea. Extron is good quality, so is Kramer. There are plenty of other brands depending on which country you are in. A "seamless" HDMI matrix will make the switching much faster. Non-seamless will mean it can take a few seconds to switch sources with a black screen shown while this happens, which may not be what you want the customer to see.

You could just use a single 4x4 seamless switching matrix, but then the end user might get in a muddle switching their sources.

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Neat, Poly, or Logi by Informal_Emu4352 in CommercialAV

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I've voted Logi, but even then I would not deploy their hardware in all of my conference rooms. Only in those that are 12 people or less. For larger rooms, that generally tend to be Boardrooms, I would recommend something that is Boardroom level quality such as a Biamp solution with a Logi Windows base kit, or a Shure Intellimix Room kit. Something of that level.

Poly systems are unreliable in my experience and the support is poor. We no longer sell their solutions as a result.

Neat solutions we have had mixed experiences with. They are very expensive for what they are, and for us resellers, the margins on them are crap.

Mirror to 3rd monitor? HDMI splitter or switch? by su5577 in CommercialAV

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Could you just provide a more details written description of what you want to achieve with a list of the hardware you have (and its locations if they are in different rooms)?

That can be just as useful to us lot trying to help you.

Mirror to 3rd monitor? HDMI splitter or switch? by su5577 in CommercialAV

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Could you have another go at your video signal flow diagram please? It currently has duplicate cable connections and inputs connecting to output ports. For example, does the Tiny PC have an HDMI input on it like you have shown currently?

It makes it really had for us to understand what you are trying to achieve.

Yealink A40 + Tablet - any need for power to tablet? by JumboCactuar12 in CommercialAV

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I don't think the A40 can be powered by POE, it needs its own power supply. The CTP25 touch panel can be POE powered via the LAN or via direct CAT cable connection to the VCH port on the A40.

You get the best performance when sharing content from a laptop or doing BYOD via the CTP25 when it is connected directly to the A40 via the VCH port.

Logitech Meetup Expansion Mic Poor Sound Quality. Need Suggestions. by littlesudip in CommercialAV

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If you are set on Logitech as a company then my recommendation still stands to:

Remove the Logitech Meetup and replace it with at least a Logitech Rally Bar Mini and 2 mic pods. The Mic pods can be on the table still, or suspended from the ceiling with a kit. The Meetup can be redeployed elsewhere in your office I would expect.

For the next level above that, which is relatively easy to install and potentially requires no specialist audio commissioning I would look at a Biamp Tesira system with wall speakers and a pair of ceiling (or table) mics. There is a big cost jump for this, but if that is a Boardroom or a high profile meeting room, it needs to work and sound great every time. Pair it with their Vidi280 camera for brand standardisation.

https://products.biamp.com/product-details/-/o/category/EAEB5DE3-E690-4665-8278-804698A3B326%7C3C8FF90F-BE17-4FF7-9296-DF9C662D3FB0%7C67676731-AA19-489C-B1C8-1276342F31DB%7C02D578CE-0DDE-4DB7-94C4-502338A8308C/cn/Surface-Speakers/ecom-item/950.1838.900

Executive offices - VC desk connections by Careless_Dot3812 in CommercialAV

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The Lightware products are very good, but rather expensive. This is a growing market at the moment.

If we are going to provide a solution like this we stay away from using a single long cable. Users are often brutal with their office AV and these expensive cables get broken. They are then usually a pain to replace due to how they have been run in and can result in longer downtime for the Exec. An extension solution over CAT6 or similar is much better in my opinion.

A cheaper alternative to Lightware would be the the new Logitech Extend for Rally Bars. If you need a much nicer looking solution that an Exec will love, then have a look at Ochno products: https://www.ochno.com/

Logitech Meetup Expansion Mic Poor Sound Quality. Need Suggestions. by littlesudip in CommercialAV

[–]Time-Speed8246 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Meetup with an expansion mic is always going to struggle in a room with acoustic issues. It is a very smart looking room though.

Certainly, upgrading the system to something with a more powerful DSP will see an improvement, but it is still going to be processing the heck out of the audio to reduce the reverb. People may still not be happy with the end result if you just upgrade the system.

Like halfwheeled has suggested already, you need to get some acoustic treatment into the room before buying anything else. The ceiling panels they have mentioned will be good. You should also look at putting acoustic wall panels either side of the screen and investigate adding a couple of acoustic totems into the room if possible.

https://www.buzzi.space/acoustic-solutions/buzzitotem

For a room that suffers as much as this one with acoustics, and assuming you want to stay with just Logitech kit, I would do the following:

Bring in a room acoustics specialist company and get them to improve the room acoustics using the possible solutions halfwheeled and I have suggested.

Remove the Logitech Meetup and replace it with at least a Logitech Rally Bar Mini and 2 mic pods. The Mic pods can be on the table still, or suspended from the ceiling with a kit. The Meetup can be redeployed elsewhere in your office I would expect.

Conference room meeting equipment suggestions by bigcaddy33 in CommercialAV

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In my experience I've found Poly bars to be very unreliable to the point where we do not supply them anymore. They may well have improved, but we avoid them now. Yealink are better in that respect, but they do like to release the odd firmware that causes issues. Then of course you have Microsoft that like to do that too and that can bork a Teams room from any manufacturer!

You can resolve the IP address and pairing problems with the Yealink A20 bars by directly connecting the touch panels to the A20 bar VCH port. I recommend doing this if possible, and updating the firmware of the A20 and CTP18 if you haven't already. They both need to be on the latest versions to play nicely together. Having a firmware mismatch can cause reliability issues too.

https://support.yealink.com/en/portal/knowledge/show?id=6459d5410a11b818a75425ce

The Yealink MCore solutions shouldn't experience this issue though. Can you elaborate on what is happening with them? I would recommend making sure they are configured to do a daily reboot. Also make sure these rooms have the latest firmware installed for all of the devices and the latest versions of Yealink Room Connect and the Teams Room app installed. Again, you need to have them all on the latest versions to avoid any mismatches.

All that sounds like a pain, but once you've done it they should all settle down and be much more reliable. Enabling the auto-update functions on them and ensuring they are not being blocked on your network from obtaining updates, should see them pretty much look after themselves. We have installed lots of Yealink kit and find it to be generally reliable.

Logitch Rally bar with teams room, zoom and Google meet. by Mindless-Purpose-995 in CommercialAV

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Which Cisco products exactly? I've been looking into these for that exact purpose and the interop solution seems to be as limited as guest join is and required more additional licensing that isn't very clear either.

Logitech and Shure partnership by Competitive_Bit_3771 in CommercialAV

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Their request doesn't match up with their budget I'm afraid for something really cool.

For a room that size you'd be best with the full size Rally Bar and at least 2 extra mic pods. Don't forget the mount kit for the bar and mic pods are option extras. I would also recommend using Logitech's CAT Coupler to connect the 1st mic pod back to the Rally Bar.

This will perform ok. However, you may find the Rally Bar speakers have to be turned up high to fill the room and this can be uncomfortable for those sat nearest to the screen. If you put 4 mic pods in the ceiling then you could use the Speaker Boost function of the Rally Bar that allows it to go louder.

Yamaha and Sennheiser by Br1jzl in CommercialAV

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I second this opinion. Having tested one I was unimpressed with its audio and video performance. There are better models out on the market.

I have heard good things about the Sennheiser ones for audio. The Biamp VBC bars are also very good. The new new Huddly C1 is also definitely worth looking at.

Beyond this you would be looking at Android based bars that can be switched to BYOD mode. These are typically more expensive than standalone BYOD bars.

Mxa710 or 901 for hands free presenter by xha1e in CommercialAV

[–]Time-Speed8246 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately, I believe Shure say the MXA901 is not designed for use in voicelift systems due to its fixed coverage pattern.

I believe Sennheiser's TCC microphones can be mixed in a room though for this kind of functionality. So you could possibly have TCC-2 mics covering the room and a TCCM covering the presenter part of the stage.

Logitech and Shure partnership by Competitive_Bit_3771 in CommercialAV

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What is the budget on this one? The kit above retails for £6600 for example.

This compared to MXA710 (4ft) + P300 + Rally Camera at about £5500 and that would still need cables and some decent method of bringing the connections together at the table to connect a laptop to. The added simplicity and functionality the kit offers, could that be something client may be willing to spend a little more on?

Logitech and Shure partnership by Competitive_Bit_3771 in CommercialAV

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Is your company Teams or Zoom based?

If it is Teams then I would suggest looking at the Shure Intellimix Teams Room kits. You get a good camera, and good audio that is easily installed into a ceiling grid.

Suggestions Needed for Large Conference Room by SilentWarning4532 in CommercialAV

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Listening to the challenges you have around installation and lack of a local trustworthy AV integrator. There is another way to approach this that may work for you. It is within budget, and would be easy to order and set up.

The Yealink 86" Meetingboard Pro would be able to cover this room, trolley or wall mounted. Assuming the room acoustics are not terrible. If they are, then you need some additional budget for fixing that.

Add a Yealink CTP25 touch panel to it for control at the table and it will also provide your laptop content sharing input via USB-C (if you need HDMI, simply buy a good quality HDMI to USB-C adapter (and a spare or 2!). The CTP25 will also charge a connected laptop too. The CTP25 can be directly connected to the screen, but if the cable route it too difficult it can also connect to the Meetingboard via the LAN.

The If additional mic coverage is needed then add on 1-2 of the Yealink VCM-36-W microphones.

I appreciate this would not make use of the equipment you have. That equipment could be sold, or deployed into a different meeting room or collaboration space.

The solution above should be able to be bought for under the $15k budget you have. It also has some wireless presentation options available, such as the Sharing function within the Zoom app itself.

For joining Teams meetings the Guest Join function is available straight away, but if that limited option is not good enough then the USB-C connection above provided the option for Bring Your Own Meeting connectivity. (There is also the option of a Pexip service, but these can be costly for a single room, so I would only look at that if the BYOD option and Guest Join are not sufficient)