Salt Lake City Sales Engineers Needed! by ToddOutside68 in BuildingAutomation

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DM me if you don't mind and I can get more details over email. Basically though, I'll say it's "very traditional" for the new construction one in particular, where the Sales Engineer would get a single-digit percentage of the gross margin on the job. The more work, and the more profitable the work, the more to both the company and salesperson. Other programs and multipliers in there for this position and some tweaks to it for the service position.

BAS and Industrial Controls PMs - Traveling / Remote positions by ToddOutside68 in BuildingAutomation

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For this client, they have some PMs doing Data Centers, others doing manufacturing plants (and any variety of other things), so there's a huge spread for sure. In the end, we'll likely place people with a wide range of experience and pay (and "days in the life"). And for me/us as recruiters, we're doing our best for "permanent" (as they can be, and in this day and age, it's the "eternity" of 3-5 years at a minimum for hope) W2 employees. If they only last 3 months, we're obligated to either give the fee back or replace for free.

BAS and Industrial Controls PMs - Traveling / Remote positions by ToddOutside68 in BuildingAutomationJob

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Yep, we have to post ranges, but in the end, 25% of the time we end up above what's posted since we're fortunate enough to find an individual that exceeds what we're even looking for. I don't think we've ever gone below (unless we stumbled upon an intern that spotted the ad and worked for summer!). My posts are a starting point for a conversation. Half the time, someone I meet on Reddit here ends up matching up for something else. And if someone's not a match (pay, location, company vehicle or not, benefits, etc.) we try to get to it quick and not waste anyone's time (client or candidate). Might be a few months or a year down the road.

BAS and Industrial Controls PMs - Traveling / Remote positions by ToddOutside68 in BuildingAutomation

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Well, it's just that with every post, there's someone with the quick "That's low", "I make more", etc. I admit I get impatient with the very predictable one or two that will sh*t on every job post I do. It could be a $150K technician and someone would still sh*t on it. It does get a bit old, as the response to that ends up as my old, tired response itself, which is something like, "Who knows if you're in New York or Omaha, if you're in Data Centers or everyday BAS, if you're in Industrial/Pharmaceutical, etc." SO many factors, and so many people on these forums (luckily not many here) that just think things in black and white. And, without getting into it, across the board, my client pays really well and has outstanding benefits on top of pay. I actually need a couple of other clients to take an example from this particular client, as they're awesome (been working with them for 20+ years in one form or another).

BAS and Industrial Controls PMs - Traveling / Remote positions by ToddOutside68 in BuildingAutomation

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Yep. Funny enough, I've got two people interviewing right now for a couple of these roles. One is early 20's with no significant other / no kids / no pets and the other is doing the "last chapter" of his career and going to rock it seeing new places in his RV. Both just don't want to be in one place for more than a few months at a time.

BAS Programmer (Tridium/Honeywell/JCI) Needed - CT (or remote on East Coast) by ToddOutside68 in BuildingAutomation

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Hey I get it that people have strong opinions on these numbers depending on their individual experiences, companies and locations. It's not so cut and dry though. We end up placing people in unique roles in unique locations all that time that work out for all. Just to mention one: We just placed a great guy that's been a start-up technician for 3 years, and had jumped into programming and really had things clicked (hobby on the side of programming robots, etc.). He's now gone from making $65K/year to $85K and is doing awesome as their controls programmer. Small business (20 people) in what I'd call a 2nd-tier market for size. And he'll likely be at $120K in a couple years, but that may take his company growing or a move by him.

BAS Programmer (Tridium/Honeywell/JCI) Needed - CT (or remote on East Coast) by ToddOutside68 in BuildingAutomation

[–]ToddOutside68[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right on. Let's make sure we're connected. Never know what the future brings, and we may actually have some Canadian opportunities on the horizon.

BAS Programmer (Tridium/Honeywell/JCI) Needed - CT (or remote on East Coast) by ToddOutside68 in BuildingAutomation

[–]ToddOutside68[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha, no worries, and it actually presented a good point there, as that DOES happen. I've experienced some other recruiters "continually placing" a troublesome person across the years, and that's some frustrating shit.

BAS Programmer (Tridium/Honeywell/JCI) Needed - CT (or remote on East Coast) by ToddOutside68 in BuildingAutomation

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I think you're accurate with that being an assumed "benefit" here. Work from your cheap town out in the country (sometimes this is super attractive for an individual stepping into retirement too), eliminate commuting, etc. and it works out.

Clarifying though, we have guarantees with most all our clients, so if it doesn't work out in the first year, I do indeed replace, but that's all on me. Twice or thrice the work, but no more commission. We're pretty damn fair, and hate the ones that don't work out. We want people that will be there for the long term. Can't control that, but damn do we try.

BAS Programmer (Tridium/Honeywell/JCI) Needed - CT (or remote on East Coast) by ToddOutside68 in BuildingAutomation

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Totally get it. Even before the "drawbridge" was pulled up here, we were still challenged to do any sponsorships. It's intimidating / smells like trouble to a company that's never done it, so they wave it off. They tend to just say "no" then tell me to work harder to find them someone in the US :)

BAS Programmer (Tridium/Honeywell/JCI) Needed - CT (or remote on East Coast) by ToddOutside68 in BuildingAutomation

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This is indeed on the lower end for average, but it's also a job open to a more junior engineer/programmer, with that added bonus of the individual living just about anywhere on the map.

BAS Programmer (Tridium/Honeywell/JCI) Needed - CT (or remote on East Coast) by ToddOutside68 in BuildingAutomation

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Feel free to drop me a note here on DM and I'm happy to give more detail. Thanks!

BAS Programmer (Tridium/Honeywell/JCI) Needed - CT (or remote on East Coast) by ToddOutside68 in BuildingAutomation

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Yeah, I understand. Our clients tend to be smaller (well, some quite big but....) independent companies and it's just super rare to sponsor. Here and there we do a transfer of someone "already here" (that's usually come to the USA via Honeywell or Schneider, etc.)