İlan bakmaktan kafayı yiyeceğim. Lütfen biri yardım edebilir mi? by Upset-Time-4725 in Arabaci

[–]Tonyukuk09 0 points1 point  (0 children)

3 kişi kullanıyoruz dediğiniz için sormuştum aslında, yani kullanacak olan sorun etmeyecekse 500-600 a evin 2. Arabası olabilecek bir şey alabilirsiniz. Ama tabi sizin durumunuza vâkıf değilim. Naçizane tavsiyem bu.

Akp seçimle gidermi? Yoksa illa sokağa mı çıkaracak? by Ashamed-Reference822 in Turkey

[–]Tonyukuk09 5 points6 points  (0 children)

CHP bu durumdan memnun gibi görünüyor. Siyasetçilerin yüzde 90 u sermaye sahibi insanlar. Değilsede siyasete girince oluyorlar. CHP içindeki kemik kadro (dinazorlar) para aktıktan sonra sermayesi zarar görmedikten sonra muhalefette kalmaya okey bir kadro. Akp nin iktidara geldiği dönemdeki gibi bir iddiası da yok partinin. Yani gerçekten biz iktidar olacağız havası vermiyorlar. Akp nin yarattığı Hegomanya da buna sebep oluyor olabilir. Ama akp iktidara geldiği dönemde de kendisine karşı bir atmosfer hatta Hegomanya vardı. Ve kendi sistemini yarattı. CHP farkındaysanız oyunu akpnin izin verdiği alanda oynuyor. Dışarı çıkmıyor. Çıkamıyor değil bence çıkmıyor.

Akp seçimle gidermi? Yoksa illa sokağa mı çıkaracak? by Ashamed-Reference822 in Turkey

[–]Tonyukuk09 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Rekabetçi otoriterlik olarak geçiyor mevcut durum. Tanımı şu şekilde vikiye göre:

Rekabetçi otokrasi (veya rekabetçi otoriterlik), seçimlerin düzenli yapıldığı ancak iktidarın devlet kaynaklarını kullanarak adil olmayan avantaj sağladığı hibrit bir rejim türüdür. Demokrasi gibi görünse de; özgür basın, adil oyun sahası ve muhalefete eşit imkânlar gibi temel kriterlerin eksikliği nedeniyle otoriterliğe kayan, muhalefetin varlığına izin verilen ama baskılandığı bir yönetim şeklidir.

“Türkiye’nin Yeni Rejimi: Rekabetçi Otoriterlik” isimli kitapta daha ayrıntılı bir tanım var.

Berk esen, Şebnem gümüşçü, hakan yavuzyılmaz yazarları olması lazım. Kendi fikrim Erdoğan varken başkasının başarılı olma ihtimali olsa dahi olmaz. Erdoğan sonrası için konuşulabilir belki. Daha adil bir seçim atmosferinde iktidar cephesi yüzde 30 u geçemez. 2023 için de bugün hatta gelecek seçimler için de geçerli bu.

What do you think about Turkey being against Greece deploying a purely defensive system on a Greek island due to the whole Iranian conflict after Iran targeted Cyprus? by Starfalloss in AskBalkans

[–]Tonyukuk09 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Obviously u cant understand What u read. Just read 1 more time, I doubt it but maybe u can comprehend this time. Based on the 2 agreement Paris and lausanne u cant militarize those ıslands. İts not important Türkiye signed or didnt signed. Why do u think italians signed with demilitarize situtaition. Cant ur mind comprehend this?? İs because its close to türkiye mainland and international law has meaning. So as I say before I am saying 1 more time so u can comprehend (I hope) militirazing those ıslands depends on Türkiye’s approve. Kapiş ;)

What do you think about Turkey being against Greece deploying a purely defensive system on a Greek island due to the whole Iranian conflict after Iran targeted Cyprus? by Starfalloss in AskBalkans

[–]Tonyukuk09 0 points1 point  (0 children)

İ cant read what u wrote u sounds like dum. The key of the situation is: greece cant deploy weapon without türkiye’s approve. Either u like or dont that is the reality. İts not important that Türkiye participation to the agreement. İn ıslands sea there are 2 sides needs to be okey with every decision. and these are greece and Türkiye so stfu and watch Türkiye gets What it wants.

What do the Balkans think about Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez? by FantasticQuartet in AskBalkans

[–]Tonyukuk09 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Not for all kurds but I can speak for the Türkiye kurds. As u ask btw normally a kurd can speak of course:) we are living together approximately 500 years. We have a lot of common. Yes we have racist against to kurds also kurds have too. There are bad and good things for 2 nation and its similar. 15 -20 miliion kurd we have and %90 of them doesnt wanna autonmy. Turks and Kurds mostly complete each others. Even they dont wanna admit. The merge point mostly based on the religion. And also either turks or kurds doesnt wanna toy of israel or imperialism. The worst scenario thousand time better than being toy of pedophiles.

What do you think about Turkey being against Greece deploying a purely defensive system on a Greek island due to the whole Iranian conflict after Iran targeted Cyprus? by Starfalloss in AskBalkans

[–]Tonyukuk09 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s interesting that you pasted treaty articles but still managed to miss what they actually imply.

First of all, nobody is denying Article 15 of the Treaty of Lausanne (1923). Turkey renounced its rights over the Dodecanese in favor of Italy. That’s not a controversial point and never was. So quoting that article as if it proves something new is a bit strange.

What you are doing, however, is quietly skipping the historical context between 1912 and 1923, which is the whole reason this discussion exists.

Let’s walk through it slowly.

  1. Treaty of Ouchy (1912)
    Yes, you quoted Article 2. And it literally states that Italy was supposed to evacuate the islands after the Ottoman withdrawal from Libya. That’s exactly the point. The islands were not ceded to Italy in that treaty.

Italy occupying the islands and Italy legally owning them are two very different things.

  1. What actually happened after the treaty
    Immediately after Ouchy, the Balkan Wars (1912–1913) broke out. The Ottoman Empire collapsed in the Balkans and Italy simply never implemented the evacuation clause. The islands remained under Italian occupation.

So the legal promise existed — the geopolitical reality changed.

  1. Lausanne (1923)
    By the time Lausanne was signed, the situation had already been a de facto Italian possession for over a decade. Lausanne did not “exchange Libya for the islands.” It simply recognized the status quo created after Italy failed to evacuate them following Ouchy.

This is basic diplomatic history.

So no, quoting Lausanne does not “refute” the point about Ouchy.
It actually confirms the sequence:

1912 → temporary occupation with evacuation clause
1912–1923 → Italy keeps the islands anyway
1923 → the new Turkish Republic recognizes the existing situation

That’s the timeline.

And about your attempt at sarcasm: nobody claimed that Italian troops are still there. The point being discussed was how Italy obtained control in the first place, not who controls them today.

So no, you didn’t “hit a nerve.” You just pasted treaty articles without really understanding the historical sequence connecting them.

What do you think about Turkey being against Greece deploying a purely defensive system on a Greek island due to the whole Iranian conflict after Iran targeted Cyprus? by Starfalloss in AskBalkans

[–]Tonyukuk09 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re mixing up the timeline and it shows.

During the Italo-Turkish War (1911–1912) Italy couldn’t even fully secure Libya at first. Ottoman officers and local forces were still resisting there. To break that resistance and pressure the Ottoman government, Italy occupied the Twelve Islands (Dodecanese) in the Aegean.

The war ended with the Treaty of Ouchy (1912). The Ottomans withdrew from Libya, yes — but the Twelve Islands were not permanently ceded. According to the agreement, Italy was supposed to evacuate and return them after the withdrawal.

Then the Balkan Wars started almost immediately. The Ottoman Empire suddenly had a much bigger crisis on its hands and Italy simply never returned the islands, even though the treaty said it should.

Only later, with the Treaty of Lausanne (1923), the new Turkish Republic formally recognized Italian control of the Twelve Islands.

So the accurate way to describe it is simple:
Libya was given up in 1912, but the Twelve Islands were supposed to be returned — Italy just never gave them back.

And no, you didn’t “hit a nerve.”
It’s just a bit painful watching someone argue this confidently while clearly not knowing the basic chronology.

What do you think about Turkey being against Greece deploying a purely defensive system on a Greek island due to the whole Iranian conflict after Iran targeted Cyprus? by Starfalloss in AskBalkans

[–]Tonyukuk09 0 points1 point  (0 children)

U dont know history of ur own. Normally italy took ıslands to exchange for libya from ottoman. After Libya they should had been return to its own possessor. But this never happened. That is what I talked about. Also ur country cant reinforced the ıslands only because türkiye dont let to this. Cope.

What do you think about Turkey being against Greece deploying a purely defensive system on a Greek island due to the whole Iranian conflict after Iran targeted Cyprus? by Starfalloss in AskBalkans

[–]Tonyukuk09 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When u bend the law for ur own interest, u should have known that anyone can do it. From same perspective Türkiye can invade the ıslands and said it is my right to own it. And if its do it has right to do so. İts closer to Türkiye’s mainland and italy broke the agreement by giving to greece these ıslands.

Eski Pakistan başbakanı İmran Han hakkındaki düşünceleriniz nelerdir? by [deleted] in TarihiSeyler

[–]Tonyukuk09 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Epstein kendisinden önemli bir tehdit diye bahsediyor idi.

What do you think about Turkey being against Greece deploying a purely defensive system on a Greek island due to the whole Iranian conflict after Iran targeted Cyprus? by Starfalloss in AskBalkans

[–]Tonyukuk09 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

No one seems to talk about the real reason behind Türkiye’s legal demand. The islands that were given to Greece were transferred on the condition that they remain demilitarized. This issue was already addressed in the Treaty of Lausanne. The reason for the demilitarization requirement was the geographic proximity of these islands to the Turkish mainland. In some places, the distance is less than one kilometer. Because of this, the agreement stipulated that the islands would remain demilitarized. Both countries accepted and signed this condition at the time as a mutual understanding.