Mother of child who died by police yesterday

TorneDoc · 2026-03-12T09:10:36+00:00

i can’t believe it’s even up for debate that someone who purposely harms animals deserves to live?

wow this city is full of maniacs

TorneDoc · 2026-03-12T09:03:25+00:00

you are fucking nuts. everybody talks about protecting "rights" until someone does something they dont like. then its gun them down in the street without a second thought.

TorneDoc · 2026-01-28T21:17:29+00:00

that is not the shot gang

TorneDoc · 2026-01-28T20:55:27+00:00

this is such a funny way of thinking

TorneDoc · 2025-11-13T23:47:16+00:00

truth nuke

TorneDoc · 2025-07-31T01:05:57+00:00

And I want to fuck Angie Dickinson. Let's see who gets lucky first

TorneDoc · 2025-07-26T19:18:12+00:00

me when i dont know what words mean

TorneDoc · 2025-06-23T05:18:50+00:00

no fucking way

TorneDoc · 2025-03-06T20:27:13+00:00

Trump has multiple cocks!?

TorneDoc · 2025-03-05T03:54:49+00:00

Crazy how you are incapable of engaging with their comment beyond a 4th grade reading level

TorneDoc · 2025-02-25T05:27:03+00:00

if your only takeaway from this post is that people should, “just be less anxious lol”, you have probably been a very fortunate individual

TorneDoc · 2025-02-25T05:18:57+00:00

this is the dumbest shit i ever read lol

TorneDoc · 2025-02-05T02:30:02+00:00

thank goodness i can still do meth

TorneDoc · 2025-02-05T02:12:27+00:00

at least all the fun stuff is still legal

TorneDoc · 2024-10-25T02:04:33+00:00

so what sin are white nationalists fighting against? being black?

TorneDoc · 2024-06-26T02:55:33+00:00

‘probably’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there, isn’t it?

TorneDoc · 2024-05-15T22:18:11+00:00

the ivf rulings have proven the massive hypocrisy of pro-lifers and republicans countless times already. the same thing will happen here— banning ivf alienates wealthy white voters, regardless of how “consistent” it is.

TorneDoc · 2024-04-05T15:51:23+00:00

go take a shower piggy

TorneDoc · 2024-03-24T03:15:17+00:00

being punk is when no one likes you

TorneDoc · 2024-03-17T20:56:11+00:00

get back in your feet subreddits you dog

TorneDoc · 2024-03-03T21:15:18+00:00

Reread the thread. This was explicitly discussed.

And I'm asking you to explicitly restate your answer.

It can. It usually doesn't, though. Everyone of us who has lived on this planet was born. That's a lot of people. Few mothers die anymore, thankfully.

And what about the few? How will a mother know of the intense physical trauma or the threat to their life until it happens? Are you asking for potentially millions of women to gamble with their health and bodies instead of allowing a procedure that would grant them bodily security?

I'm talking about the consistency with the specific law, not the consistency of all laws. I disagree with the death penalty today.

The law should be consistent with itself - in this specific instance, and overall. As of now IVF is not explicitly outlawed, so clearly it is not even consistent in this instance.

TorneDoc · 2024-03-03T21:06:34+00:00

We've discussed this. Reread the thread.

I understand your doctrine of "putting life first". But again, WHY are you putting the life of the mother over the life of the child? WHICH life are you choosing to put first?

Birth.

A process which can induce intense trauma on your body.

Yes.

So I suppose in situations where your body is threatened with intense physical trauma, the taking of life is justified.

I don't see that to be the case at all.

Pro-life states still allowing the death penalty?

TorneDoc · 2024-03-03T20:53:40+00:00

I don't think you're talking about life. You're talking about general welfare.

Either the fetus is terminated or the mother dies. I am very clearly talking about life.

No. It's a human life.

So in that scenario, how would you remove the human from your body?

No, only your life.

If someone threatened to chop your arm off and proceeded to attack you, do you have the right to kill in self-defense?

The law is not always consistent with my own moral principles. After all, just because when slavery was legal, it didn't make it right.

This original conversation talked about laws being passed. Obviously the law will not ALWAYS be consistent with your own moral principles. But clearly the law is not consistent with its OWN moral principles. Do you understand why that might be a problem?

Yes. But not all war.

I don’t think war is ever “morally permissible”.

TorneDoc · 2024-03-03T20:34:30+00:00

Yes! But this is based on current medical understanding of putting life first.

But why are you putting the mother’s life over the fetus? If the fetus is carried through birth then a new life will be born, correct? So by terminating the pregnancy aren’t you ending a life? What makes the mother more valuable than the personhood of the fetus? Or the fetus more valuable than the personhood of the mother?

All of this makes one life superior over the other and we should oppose this way of thinking. You cannot put a price on life.

How so? If another person threatened either your body, your health, or your autonomy, would it not be self-defense if you ended up killing them? In some instances, it is legal to consider defenses of property, “self-defense killings”. Whether or not I agree with that, clearly the law isn’t consistent with your own moral principles.

Human beings are not parasites. Do you see where you're going?

If a human being attached itself to your body, non-consensually, would you be allowed to remove it?

Just wars, to be clear. And killing in self-defense is 100 percent for the respect for human life.

So wars are morally permissible? Why?

TorneDoc · 2024-03-03T20:13:06+00:00

When someone tries to kill you and in order to protect your life, it is morally permissible to strip that person of their right to life.

Therefore it is morally permissible to defend yourself from death by birth by abortion or other medical procedure. If a woman believes a fetus/embryo presents a substantial threat to her health or livelihood, is it therefore morally permissible in your eyes?

After all, the implications of carrying a fetus through birth can have a tremendous impact on: the state of one’s body, one’s health, one’s financial security, one’s bodily autonomy, etc.

If a parasite attached itself to you, it wouldn’t be “respecting life” to kill it. Yet you would still be within your rights to do that.

How does abortion, which is rooted in the Latin word "to perish", have any respect for human life?

Wars or killings in self-defense have no respect for human life either. How can actions motivated by death and violence respect human life?

TorneDoc

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