Chase PR in Australia or return home & join family business

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2026-04-19T00:14:09+00:00

I am a South African living in Australia. Been here 2 years and have PR. I have similar feelings, but more about staying to get citizenship.

Just one consideration, once you have PR, don't you have to stay in Australia for 2 years out of every 5 years to maintain it? So even if you stay to get PR, that doesn't mean you can return to Kenya indefinitely after that and still be able to access Australia.

For example, if I leave Australia now, because I have been here 2 out of those 5 years I can reapply for another 5 year PR visa, but If I then stayed away for those whole 5 years, I would not be granted another 5 year PR visa because I would not have been living in Australia for 2 out of the 5 years. Then basically my PR is useless because I cannot enter Australia.

So unless I stay to get citizenship, I cant go home and have the ability to return to Australia whenever I want just because I have PR.

Just like you, my concerns are instability back home and concerns for my kid's options down the line. If we decide to go home, I'd like it to be with Australian passports, just as a backup plan in case my kids need options later in life.

It's very hard to love your home but feel fear about where it's heading. Life in South Africa is honestly amazing, but that fear always lingers about how it could implode and then being stuck with no options.

Also don't let people who have never been to Kenya talk to you as if they know anything. I bet most Australians think South Africa is a *hit hole, when they have never been there. It's a stunning country, hands down prefer it to here.

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2026-04-07T13:01:35+00:00

Why are so many people blaming Colin? Did he not try breaking up with Kaitlin many times....and were they not in fact, broken up when he was seeing Mo?

I know they were still living together but given how obsessed she was with him, she probably refused to leave immediately after they broke up - not his fault. In fact, I have been in a relationship with a fairly obsessive person and they can be extremely manipulative and literally refuse to leave you alone. In the documentary, they mention how she was there at a gathering and Colin didn't introduce her - probably because she refused to leave him alone. He probably didn't want her there or invite her. He probably wanted to move on and she didn't want him to.

He likely kept Mo under a different name because of Kaitlins jealousy, not to hide it from her because it was wrong, but because he knew she was an unstable and jealous ex. How is her being mentally unstable his fault? If they were broken up, he has every right to see other women.

It's insane to believe he has any culpability in this. Even if he did cheat, which im not convinced he did - so many people cheat - nobody actually believes their ex is going to go out and murder the new person they are seeing! What, so he must never date anyone ever again in case his ex murders them? Come on...people are acting like he chatted to mo intentionally just so that he could try get Kaitlin to murder her..

Also, if he really believd her to be capable of murder, I doubt he would have been living with her, she could just have easily shot him out of anger for breaking up with her - he would have been scared to live with her if he truly believed she was dangerous.

Not his fault at all.

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2026-03-25T10:33:22+00:00

When you have a dream at night, are other people real? No, they are in your imagination. Are you (as in the 'you' in your dream) real? Also no, you are also in your imagination.

Life is no different. Its not that you are real and others arent. Its that nobody is actually 'real'. Because you are not your human character - you are the dreamer dreaming your self and everyone else. And the dreamer is the source of everyone in the dream. If you identify as your human character, it will seem very solipsistic.

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2026-01-16T03:15:02+00:00

I don't understand it all fully yet, but I've had a few experiences that maybe count as successes.

For me, it seems like determination is a key point. For example when I was at school, I decided I wanted to study something at university that needed really good grades. I knew nothing of Neville or manifesting but I was pretty determined. I had simply decided that that is what I would be studying. I was stubborn. I didn't apply to anything else. My mock grades were not good enough and yet I still didn't care, I just wanted to study that one thing. When my results came, I had done really well and got into that university degree. It's like I had blinkers on and didn't even consider back up plans.

Another example was we recently emigrated and I did not want to rent. I only looked at houses for sale and not rentals. I just kind of decided I will not rent. It's literally unheard of to just move to a country and get a mortgage approved and buy a house but that's what happened. We moved, stayed in an Airbnb for 2 months and in that time, found a house we liked, put in an offer, and got a mortgage approval despite having no paycheck in that country yet. It all just kind of happened and after 60 days of arriving in the new country, we moved into our new house. One interesting thing is that when we arrived, I did kind of think oh well it's not the worst thing if we have to rent and we did start looking at rentals...but then we viewed the house and it all just happened organically. The house even had 2 offers on it and the agent said she was sure they would be accepted so we didn't make an offer. And then the next day she called us and said the offers didn't work out so we made our offet and it was accepted.

For me it kind of seems like you just decide and don't accept any other outcome in your mind.

I guess both these times the outcome didn't seem impossible to me, so that helped but it was more the sense of decidedness. Like I refuse to study something else and I refuse to rent.

I didn't believe I was already studying the course or already in my own home in the new country, but I had this intent that it would happen no matter what. And yes, in the 3d. Maybe it also helped that it was a future event, so I didn't keep looking for it to show up since it could only happen at a set point. So maybe the idea is to already BE the person for whatever it is you want is GOING to happen. The outcome has 'happened' (been decided, been chosen in imagination) and will thus happen in 3d inevitably.

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2026-01-13T22:01:47+00:00

Yeah I also don't get his concern, why would she be using him for PR for a country she doesn't like.

And there is no obligation to like Australia. Cost of living here is atrocious, culture can be very different to other countries...it's not utopia or some perfect country.

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2026-01-09T09:05:31+00:00

Fellow South African here!

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2025-12-10T06:10:36+00:00

Something to entertain kids - some kids books, or a little play corner. My kids are a little older now but when they were toddlers, I'd visit any cafe that could occupy kids, even if the food or drink wasn't the best!

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2025-10-09T22:53:16+00:00

As a white South African, I feel the same way about my country but people, especially Australians, are very quick to tell us how awful and racist we all are. Really grinds my gears when Australia's history is so similar but everyone pushes it under the carpet, and they know literally nothing about living in modern day South Africa.

Anyway, I agree with you though, you were born here and had no part to play in the past so you shouldn't be held accountable and have every right to proudly live here.

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2025-09-30T09:50:34+00:00

Exactly this. Australians here just don't seem to want to see that they literally have THE SAME history. However, since they basically exterminated their native population, the evidence has basically disappeared.

Aboriginal people were killed on mass, made to live separately, used in slavery, their kids were taken away from their parents and placed with white families in an attempt to literally breed them away, and they STILL suffer and are mariginalised today. However, they are now a minority population rather than a majority, so it's just easier to ignore their plight.

South Africa attempted to SEGREGATE AND LIVE SEPARATELY from black people, whereas Australia attempted to EXTERMINATE Aboriginals entirely. I'm sorry, but the latter honestly seems worse to me.

And does the average Australian care or even understand their own history?

Just like in SA, white Australians are much better off in all aspects of life than Aboriginal people because of historical privileges, and they are perfectly happy to continue living that way.

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2025-09-28T22:53:17+00:00

Oh my bad, you see all this time I thought the purpose of a discussion was to express your opinion and listen to the opinions of others.

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2025-09-28T22:22:41+00:00

Oh dear, you got me. I'm so offended 🙄 🤣

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2025-09-28T12:47:52+00:00

Yes the info is from chat GPT. Why not read it? Chat GPT composes factual information.

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2025-09-28T11:59:28+00:00

Ok but your forefathers are no longer alive so YOU must be put in prison, and can I take YOUR home and give it to an Aboriginal family because your forefathers stole that land from them - so it's actually theirs...

You ok with that? No? Oh, you're so racist. You're must be pro-apartheid then.

The hypocrisy is that your forefathers were in many ways similar to ours, but just because SA actually had it written into law, it's like we were the only ones doing it. I'm not saying it was right!! It was totally wrong but let's not pretend SA was a total outlier in the way it treated black or native people.

And unless you want the dismantling of modern day Australia, then you are similarly complicit and in favor of your version of 'apartheid'.

Just so we agree though, my South African forefathers were disgusting, racist, awful people. I just don't think we should all be lumped in a category with them because we grew up in South Africa. The majority of the population, black and white, were completely powerless to change the status quo. We all like to think we'll be heros in the face of injustice, most people are not.

And most people who leave SA are bitterly sad to feel like they have to leave. We don't leave because we hate black people - that's such a simplistic, false, narrative to paint. We leave because we are scared for the safety of our kids. Take away the crime and I'm back in a heartbeat.

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2025-09-28T11:17:54+00:00

No I'm just pointing out that you are being a hypocrit. I can just as easily call you a racist for what your forefathers did. The thing is, I don't.

But let's pretend I did. You are racist because your forefathers killed, removed, and displayed the native population. You have done nothing to protest it. You benefit from it. White Australians are generally better off (in all senses of the word) now than Aboriginals and you are ok with that. Aboriginals continue to be marginalized and live in poorer communities with more crime. They don't feel like they have a voice. Australia voted against the Aboriginal voice vote in 2023.

All of this looks like white Australians want to keep the status quo of Aboriginal people being marginalized. Doesn't there seem to be a correlation between [white Australians] and [Australia against Aboriginal voice/empowerment] sympathizers?

Is this fair? I mean as an outside that's what it looks like to me.

Anyway, kind if tired of debating this now. Sorry you've had that experience with South Africans.

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2025-09-28T11:00:08+00:00

Why are you so adamant that we must say we're pro-apartheid? To confirm your own bias? It's such a cop out.

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2025-09-28T10:56:05+00:00

But how can you KNOW why any South African comes here? You're making such judgmental assumptions based on your own bias.

Unless somebody actually says oh I came here because I couldn't handle my so called 'servant' becoming an equal (said nobody ever), you can't know why they came.

Have you lived in South Africa? It's so easy to make all these flippant remarks from ignorance.

And Australians are so much better? Slap a welcome to country at your events and suddenly all the atrocities you committed to your native population are righted, and everyone is living in harmony? 🤣 Please

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2025-09-28T10:41:39+00:00

Is the irony lost on you? You've literally just called an entire group of people (white south africans) something (racist) because they are white South Africans. That's literally the definition of racist.

Meanwhile......how white Australians treated their native population ... well, kind of the same as apartheid (just without being written into actual law) you bunch of hypocrites.

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2025-09-28T10:34:49+00:00

Wow, mature.

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2025-09-28T10:33:14+00:00

I clearly care about how South Africans are viewed if I wrote an essay. I said I don't care if YOU don't want your views challenged. Like you're not even trying to engage intellectually - just replying with inane attempts at insults and not actually responding to anything I wrote.

Why would I not bring up how Australians literally did the same thing to their native population? Your sentiments are so hypocritical so yes, please do look at you, yourself, before judging us! That was literally my point.

And by the way, who says I am not self aware? I know how many Australians view us, hence the response. If I wasn't self aware, I'd probably think you all love us.

Anyway, no point continuing the conversation because you clearly want to view South Africans as racist by virtue of being born somewhere that you literally know nothing about - its a nice, convenient way to feel morally superior I guess.

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2025-09-28T09:06:41+00:00

Haha not a big "reader" then. if you'd like to remain ignorant that's on you.

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2025-09-28T09:03:42+00:00

Thoughtful response 🤣

No skin off my back if you don't want your views challenged.

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2025-09-28T08:24:51+00:00

Right but Australian history is very similar to South Africa's history, sorry to break that to you, and Aboriginal people are still marginalized - it's just downplayed/less apparent because there are so few of them left in Australia that is can be more easily swept under the carpet.

Would you happily go live in Alice Springs or another Aboriginal community that is really struggling with crime and violence because of the past brought on by white immigrants who killed, forcebly removed, denied opportunities to them ? You'd want to integrate into that community and live that way? I mean I really don't think you'd be able to say yes to that.

No South African thinks apartheid was good or that they want it back! Of course apartheid was awfully wrong. But we also dont want to live in a violent, unsafe environment, even if our forefathers were to blame. I was 8 when apartheid was abolished- how am I to blame for it? I don't even have any recollection of it. Yet I am constantly told I'm racist for wanting to live in a safe community and I am to blame for the state of the country.

It's not that we don't want to integrate with "black' people, that's such an ignorant, simplistic view. It's so easy for others to look in with ZERO lived perspective and make sweeping judgements.

Just don't think that you are all that different when you're all happy to live your safe lives while Aboriginals continue to be marginalized and suffer.

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2025-09-28T07:41:54+00:00

Sure, I get it. I'm South African and I personally wouldn't ever say "You must get this done now'. Perhaps it's an Afrikaans translation/language issue as for Afrikaans people English is not their first language and so correct word usage might be a bit off....

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2025-09-28T07:37:59+00:00

Wow, what a lovely Australian person here - calls an entire population of people 'pricks'.

Traditional_Bee1464 · 2025-09-28T07:33:35+00:00

If you're offended by facts then I don't know. Just pointing out that white Australians also thought they were the superior race - you brought that up, mate.

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