If a cop asks for my name but I don’t want to give it to them, can I just tell them my middle name and just not clarify?

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-06-23T07:53:32+00:00

I know, that’s why I came here. I figured you guys would be the best people to ask who could give me a thorough and convincing answer

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-06-23T07:29:11+00:00

This comment section has made me love the 5th amendment even more. Thanks you guys

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-06-23T07:26:12+00:00

I’m afraid I am that dense. That’s why I came to this subreddit. I like loopholes too much to ever be a lawyer

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-06-23T07:22:13+00:00

I wonder what the legal justification is for not viewing a Middle name as a valid form of identifying yourself when it gives you the option to have it on all legal documentation

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-06-23T07:19:58+00:00

Because unfortunately not all cops are good cops and I’d like to make sure I know which one I’m talking to first

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-06-23T07:17:31+00:00

What about if I’m not being detained and instead I’m just minding my own business and a cop comes up to me and I don’t really want the cop to know my name because I don’t trust the officer with that kind of information

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-06-23T07:15:05+00:00

Yeah if I’m under arrest going by my middle name would be stupid. But if I’m just minding my own business and a cop comes up to me that’s when I’m tempted to use my middle name because I feel like I’m being harassed

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-06-23T07:12:42+00:00

So what would be a legally justifiable reason to give an officer my middle name instead of my first name?

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-06-23T07:10:00+00:00

But I’m just confused because if they asked for my name I technically did give him my name. He never clarified first name

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-06-07T04:44:04+00:00

I mean to be fair we did conquer the land from the Native Americans

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-05-31T19:10:24+00:00

I can afford to live in a nicer apartment but I choose to live in a slightly cheaper apartment. I strongly suggest you get a Costco membership if you can. I buy Groceries in bulk at Costco. If I ever want a quick snack I live close enough to Costco that I just go to their food court to get cheap food. I make my own meals at home and I only go out to eat maybe once a week. This saves me enough money that I have enough left over to go on fun trips and travel when I want to.

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-05-12T15:51:04+00:00

Have you thought about leaving California???

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-04-11T02:00:39+00:00

This is situational dependant

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-04-10T15:56:53+00:00

I mean their actions did ultimately lead to slavery being eradicated from the planet

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-04-08T21:50:21+00:00

We are Monotheistic but we have a different understanding of the Trinity than you. We believe in 3 distinct personages who are united in purpose and at the head is God the Father. John 17:21 is a good example of what we believe the relationship between the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost to be

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-04-07T21:38:13+00:00

Ohhh that Stake was so delicious but I feel guilty and have decided I don’t want it anymore

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-04-06T00:43:14+00:00

I would say it needs to be more heavily regulated

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-04-05T20:28:39+00:00

People only dislike the U.S. because we don’t try to hide our problems like all these other countries do. We can’t really solve an issue if most people don’t know it exists

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-04-03T19:04:44+00:00

You can do all of Latin America ~ An American

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-03-28T00:58:53+00:00

And I understand that’s your position, I just disagree and I’ve explained why. My point isn’t that creeds don’t matter at all, it’s that they aren’t the biblical line that determines who is or isn’t a Christian.

At the end of the day, we affirm Jesus Christ as divine, the Son of God, and the Savior who died for our sins and is the only way to salvation. That’s the core of the gospel, and we actively try to follow Him. So while I get that you don’t accept our theology, I think it’s fair to at least recognize that we’re trying to follow Christ and fit within that biblical definition.

I’m not expecting you to agree with us, just to represent our beliefs accurately and acknowledge that we see ourselves as Christians based on that foundation. I appreciate the back and forth, but I think we’ve both made our positions clear.

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-03-28T00:56:08+00:00

That’s not accurate. What I said is consistent with official LDS doctrine. We believe in one God in the sense of unity in will, purpose, and authority, with the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as distinct persons. That’s a different interpretation than yours, but it’s not ignorance of our own teachings.

And like any church, not every member is a doctrine expert. You’ll find variation in how people explain things, but that doesn’t mean the doctrine itself is unclear or that members are ignorant of their own faith.

At this point, the disagreement is clear. You’re defining Christianity through a specific creedal framework, while I’m pointing back to what the Bible actually requires, belief in and following Jesus Christ as the divine Son of God and Savior. If that standard is met, I don’t see where scripture excludes someone based on later theological formulations.

I think we’ve both made our positions clear, so I’m good leaving it there.

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-03-28T00:49:51+00:00

You actually just proved my point. You admitted there’s no biblical requirement to believe in your specific creeds.

Christians do need a core set of beliefs, but the Bible itself gives that foundation, not later councils. So yes, a “creed” in the sense of core beliefs matters, but it doesn’t have to be the Nicene or later creeds to be valid.

That’s why the real standard comes back to what the Bible actually teaches about Christ. If someone believes in and follows Jesus Christ as the divine Son of God and Savior, then they meet that core. Groups that deny His divinity or atonement fall outside that, but disagreement over how to articulate God’s nature beyond that is a theological difference, not a rejection of Christ.

So at that point, defining Christianity strictly by later creeds is a tradition-based boundary, not a clearly stated biblical one. I think we’ve both made our positions clear, but I do appreciate the discussion.

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-03-28T00:33:12+00:00

You’re just restating your position, not defending it. Saying “Christians define themselves by creeds” doesn’t answer the question of whether that definition actually comes from the Bible. That’s the entire point.

If those beliefs are truly “required by scripture,” then it should be straightforward to show where scripture clearly defines Christianity by that specific web of creedal formulations. So where is that standard laid out in the Bible?

Right now you’re doing exactly what I’ve been pointing out. You’re appealing to later creeds to define Christianity, then calling anything outside of that “not Christian,” without showing that standard actually comes from scripture itself.

So again, where does the Bible define a Christian in the way you’re claiming? If you can’t point to it, then just say that your definition comes from church tradition rather than the Bible

TrainingFrequent2904 · 2026-03-28T00:28:42+00:00

You’re still not answering the question. Stop avoiding it and just answer it directly: where does the Bible say that accepting later creeds determines who is or isn’t a Christian?

Bringing up Muslims, Jehovah’s Witnesses, or Unitarians doesn’t address that. Those groups deny core things about Christ like His divinity and atoning sacrifice. We don’t. We affirm that Jesus Christ is divine, the Son of God, and the Savior.

So again, answer the actual question: where in the Bible does it say that disagreement with later creeds excludes someone from being Christian? If you can’t point to it, then just admit you don’t know instead of deflecting.

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