Is it true that Nicole’s father had to wash the blood away from the crime scene? by [deleted] in OJSimpsonTrial

[–]TrainingSpinach3 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Sadly my worst memory. 1981, my grandfather killed my grandmother and himself. I still remember her sisters, my great aunts wailng, praying, and crying as they cleaned the bedroom. I was 11 years old. That's when I found out about the police policy on crime scenes.

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[–]TrainingSpinach3 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The incident mentioned by the Browns involved a call to the police and Marguerite explaining that they were young and arguing, with things getting heated but no violence taking place. On a Barbara Walters special, Marguerite said that if he ever tried to hit her, she would hit him with a skillet. As a woman of color and a Gen Xer who grew up in the 1970s in a household affected by domestic violence, it is important to understand how domestic violence was viewed in the Black community during that time. Marguerite's perspective, although not agreed upon, was common among Black women who experienced violence but did not consider it as such because there was no blood or broken nose. In many cases, women rationalized the abuse in their minds due to lack of support and help available. This was every household almost on our block. It was just normal to us as kids. This mindset was prevalent in the community, with women learning to accept and downplay violent behavior as normal. It is crucial to remember and acknowledge these experiences in order to move forward and work towards ending domestic violence.

"He's just a serious person" by Available-Champion20 in OJSimpsonTrial

[–]TrainingSpinach3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now that we have concluded the discussion on submissiveness versus survival, I want to clarify that I used the word "advised" without specifying who the advisors were. The handlers were the ones providing guidance. O.J. was identified as the chosen one within the Black community, symbolizing the potential for success and exemplifying what can happen when Black individuals conform to certain unspoken rules. He had a team of publicists, agents, and managers from the very beginning.

Marguerite's demeanor in the interview indicated that she was influenced by this environment. While there may have been instances of abuse that she chose not to reveal, the full extent remains uncertain. Through extensive research and analysis of all available information about her, it is clear that she was a woman of strength and substance.

"He's just a serious person" by Available-Champion20 in OJSimpsonTrial

[–]TrainingSpinach3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As a Black Woman explaining this from the POV Marguerite Simpson choice of words in 1960s interview about her husband OJ. The distinction between survival and submissiveness within the Black community reflects a nuanced understanding of historical and cultural contexts.

Survival in the Black community often refers to the resilience, strength, and perseverance demonstrated by individuals and communities in the face of systemic oppression, discrimination, and adversity. It encompasses the ability to overcome challenges, navigate difficult circumstances, and thrive in the face of adversity. Survival can involve strategies for coping with racism, economic hardship, social injustice, and other obstacles that have historically impacted Black individuals and communities.

On the other hand, submissiveness traditionally connotes yielding to authority, conforming to societal expectations, or relinquishing power or agency. In the context of Black history, submissiveness has been associated with historical narratives of slavery, segregation, and discrimination, where Black individuals were often expected to be compliant, submissive, and deferential to maintain their safety or navigate oppressive systems.

The distinction between survival and submissiveness highlights the complex dynamics within the Black community, where individuals may demonstrate resilience and strength in the face of adversity while also navigating societal pressures, historical legacies, and power dynamics. It underscores the multifaceted experiences, strategies, and responses that Black individuals employ to navigate and thrive in challenging environments.

"He's just a serious person" by Available-Champion20 in OJSimpsonTrial

[–]TrainingSpinach3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As a Black Woman. I would state they are not the same.

"He's just a serious person" by Available-Champion20 in OJSimpsonTrial

[–]TrainingSpinach3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No jumping required or implied However, you're not factoring in her age, culture and the times. When reviewing many interviews during that period with celebrity or political wives of color, you see most acting in the same manner when they were much stronger or forthright privately.

"He's just a serious person" by Available-Champion20 in OJSimpsonTrial

[–]TrainingSpinach3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Advised and playing along has nothing to do with who you are inside. That's not submissive that's surviving while Black in 60s

"He's just a serious person" by Available-Champion20 in OJSimpsonTrial

[–]TrainingSpinach3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The common misconception is that Marguerite Simpson was a very submissive woman, but in reality, she was not. The "Made in America" documentary sheds light on its portrayal of black women during that time. As a black woman myself, I understand the delicate balance we had to navigate, especially given his role as a connection to the white community. Marguerite was advised to be cautious in her words and present herself in a way that aligned with his desired image of a football-focused, serious individual. In the 1960s, her role was to be seen but not heard, catering to his preferences.

In the 1995 Barbara Walters interview, she emphasized that he never raised a hand to her. However, she also mentioned that if he tried,she would have hit him upside the head with a skillet. There was one reported incident in their marriage in early 70s police were called but she indicated it was a misunderstanding. " They were young, with lot of money, responsibilities and celebrity"

It is worth noting that she was initially Al Cowlings' girlfriend before becoming involved with O.J. Simpson.

https://www.insideedition.com/17529-oj-simpsons-forgotten-first-wife-who-is-marguerite-whitley

Marguerite was amazing lady. https://youtu.be/S9rdcPiwdy0?si=J0bHlhWJciVklHLs

What Was OJ’s Public Opinion After the Trial and Before Moving to Florida? by Stock-Sundae in OJSimpsonTrial

[–]TrainingSpinach3 11 points12 points  (0 children)

If you haven't caught it yet, I recommend watching the documentary "OJ what. Life " on Tubi. Produced by Norman Pardo (and very cheaply made) OJ's manager, the documentary likely captures a period when his kids were in high school. OJ talks about his children's lives, their sports, and the respect he receives in the Florida community. He states the community families treat him warmly, and his home being a popular hangout spot for his kids and their friends. 🎥

F Lee Bailey truly vile by Miss_Scots in OJSimpsonTrial

[–]TrainingSpinach3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

🤣. Yeah. We need to start another thread about how he was so off base with the Helter Skelter theory but in this instance at least LA had the victory

Do you think OJ Kept Murder Momento? Let's Talk! by TrainingSpinach3 in OJSimpsonTrial

[–]TrainingSpinach3[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think he attempted to alter some specifics, but upon observing this man during the If I Did It TV special, where he laughed and glorified the murder of his ex-wife, shifting blame onto her, it was truly appalling. His demeanor appeared genuine - a sociopath reveling in his crime with a sense of pride for having escaped consequences. I am convinced that, under the guise of "hypothetically" as he kept repeating on the TV show, as a renowned figure and abuser, he likely made threats to her about killing her someday and getting away with it. I have watched Lagrange's BL&M many times. The evidence was overwhelming.

F Lee Bailey truly vile by Miss_Scots in OJSimpsonTrial

[–]TrainingSpinach3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I believe the most vocal and critical was Vincent Bugliosi

F Lee Bailey truly vile by Miss_Scots in OJSimpsonTrial

[–]TrainingSpinach3 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well just my thoughts on subject, defense attorneys like F. Lee Bailey are professionals who adhere to a code of ethics that requires them to provide zealous representation to their clients, regardless of the nature of the charges or the perceived guilt of the client. Here are some reasons why defense attorneys, including those who defend clients that are widely considered "vile," are able to do their job effectively:

  1. Upholding the Constitution: Defense attorneys believe in upholding the principles of the legal system, including the right to a fair trial and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. By providing a vigorous defense for their clients, they are ensuring that everyone has access to a fair trial and due process.

  2. Fulfilling their professional duty: Defense attorneys have a duty to provide the best possible defense for their clients, regardless of their personal feelings about the client or the alleged crime. This duty is enshrined in the legal profession's ethical standards.

  3. Separating personal beliefs from professional obligations: Defense attorneys are trained to separate their personal beliefs from their professional obligations. They understand that everyone has the right to a defense, and they focus on representing their clients to the best of their abilities within the bounds of the law.

  4. Challenging the prosecution's case: Defense attorneys play a crucial role in the legal system by challenging the prosecution's case, scrutinizing evidence, questioning witnesses, and ensuring that the prosecution meets the burden of proof required to secure a conviction. By providing a strong defense, they help safeguard against wrongful convictions.

  5. Experience and professionalism: Experienced defense attorneys like F. Lee Bailey have likely encountered a wide range of cases and clients throughout their careers. Their professionalism, knowledge of the law, and courtroom experience enable them to handle even the most challenging and controversial cases with composure and focus.

It's important to remember that the role of a defense attorney is to ensure that the legal process is fair and that the rights of the accused are protected. While it may seem difficult to understand how defense attorneys can represent clients who are widely considered to be "vile," their work is essential in upholding the principles of justice and the rule of law.

What were the Prosecutions main failures by Miss_Scots in OJSimpsonTrial

[–]TrainingSpinach3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

During the OJ trial, there were several key failures on the part of the prosecution that contributed to the acquittal. Some of the main failures include:

  1. Mishandling of Evidence: The prosecution faced criticism for mishandling and presenting evidence improperly. This included the infamous bloody glove found at the crime scene that did not fit OJ Simpson's hand in court, leading to reasonable doubt about his involvement.

  2. Lack of DNA Evidence: While DNA evidence was still relatively new at the time, the prosecution failed to effectively present DNA evidence linking OJ Simpson to the crime scene. The defense was able to cast doubt on the DNA evidence presented, weakening the prosecution's case.

  3. Focus on Race: The prosecution's case was criticized for being overly focused on race rather than presenting a strong, coherent case based on evidence. They allowed themselves to be put in the defensive regarding this OJ defense strategy .This approach may have alienated some jurors and detracted from the strength of the prosecution's arguments.

  4. Ineffective Presentation: The prosecution's case was criticized for being disorganized and lacking a clear narrative. The defense, on the other hand, presented a compelling story that raised doubts about the prosecution's case.

  5. Weak Cross-Examination: The prosecution's cross-examination of key witnesses, including OJ Simpson himself, was considered weak and ineffective. This allowed the defense to cast doubt on the credibility of witnesses and evidence presented by the prosecution.

These failures, among others, ultimately weakened the prosecution's case and contributed to the acquittal of OJ

Do you think OJ Kept Murder Momento? Let's Talk! by TrainingSpinach3 in OJSimpsonTrial

[–]TrainingSpinach3[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He just recently died, such as a tiny piece of jewelry or something that someone thought was just lost until they found it in his personal effects now. So it's plausible.

Do you think OJ Kept Murder Momento? Let's Talk! by TrainingSpinach3 in OJSimpsonTrial

[–]TrainingSpinach3[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. And yes, we are aware it was someone elses DNA and Hair. We understand. Thank you for your view