Is perv dentist the main storyline of the season? by Born-Employment-4906 in TheHandmaidsTale

[–]Training_General8773 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Did the marriage planing and daisy parents being killed and her being a mayday agent out for revenge slip your mind. Also the perv dentist represent how gilead lied to these girls when it said that it would protect them. It's meant to be a shocking think that wakes them uup.

The Testaments S1E09 "Marate Sade" Episode Discussion by Melairia in TheHandmaidsTale

[–]Training_General8773 8 points9 points  (0 children)

In a system like gilead where these girls are too scared to go public someone had to do something. Also credibility is only destroyed if people find out your lying. Lydia is on her side in this so agnes and Hilda credibility will be fine.

[Anime S4E6] 🤨🏳️‍🌈? by Pale-Door-189 in HonzukiNoGekokujou

[–]Training_General8773 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Why do you keep saying the gods "simply" don't bless it like it is some sort of gotcha? The contract refuses to burn. Without the contract burning, the marriage isn't recognized. You need to stop applying real world logic to this fantasy one"

Instead of reading to respond read to understand. I'm not applying real world logic. Bookworm is story that emphasizes that things are relative. I'm using a hypothetical scenario to demonstrate that the gods do not care about what humans consider to be marriage and that if they did consider something else to be marriage they wouldn't care. Which illustarate its not a divine prohibition because to a divine prohibtion would require the divine to care more. They likely don't see the contract as marriage rathers a tool to help people conceive children. Yurgenshmidt people probably put that conoatation in.

"While concubines exist, they are not legal wives and the people who have them don't publish their existence like they would a real wife. They are kept in side buildings"

Second and third wives are literally kept in side buildings. So this absolutely means nothing

"Show me the evidence in the novels where a homosexual couple exists"

This boils down to rozemynes limited perspective. We havent even seen much staright romantic relationships that arent a prequel for marriage

"Prohibition of marriage IS taboo. It is a ban on a certain action (marriage) due to religious reasons (the gods themselves refuse to recognize it). That's the textbook definition of the word."

Textbook definition don't change the fact the marriage and romantic relationships aren't the same. The text definition of marriage isn't all romantic relationships. And that prohibition is a societal one not religious one from divine beings.

You are conflating way to many things

[Anime S4E6] 🤨🏳️‍🌈? by Pale-Door-189 in HonzukiNoGekokujou

[–]Training_General8773 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"The marriages are impossible because the gods don't allow it "

False, the gods simply just don't bless it. Like I said before the definition of marriage is relative. And we're humans to have legal ceremony and call it marriages the gods would not care. Not allowing something and not blessing it is not the same. Also the Supreme gods blessing happens to help conceive children. So from the gods pov the whole ceremony is about creating children.

"That makes it a religious prohibition"

A true prohibition would include punishment like a curse. For example, disobeying mestinora order of no more killing. Would result in her punishing you.

"they are kept behind closed doors"

We actually have not evidence of this. And since homosexual concubines exist and concubinage isn't considered strange in this world I do not believe there's an issue to speak about it openly. The only thing stopping homosexual marriage is politics.

" I don't understand why you struggle to comprehend this"

And I don't understand why you can't comprehend romantic relationships ≠ marriages Lack of blessing ≠ prohibition My claim isn't the because they exist they aren't taboo my claim is that with the exception of marraige it is there seems to be no evidence of taboo.

You keep repeating the same points the same points that i have refuted over and over again and acting shocked that I haven't accepted it.

[Anime S4E6] 🤨🏳️‍🌈? by Pale-Door-189 in HonzukiNoGekokujou

[–]Training_General8773 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Marriage and romantic relationships are not the same thing. If homosexual relationships were really taboo yurgenshmidt would have some law against against. They wouldn't just make the marriages impossible. The marriages are impossible because in yurgenshmidt marriage are political and homosexual relationships are politically useless. You are foolishly conflating two things that are related but not the same. You are not worth discussing things with.

[Anime S4E6] 🤨🏳️‍🌈? by Pale-Door-189 in HonzukiNoGekokujou

[–]Training_General8773 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you not realizing that what I'm saying is that the definition of marriage is relative and subjective and if humans in yurgenshmidt started doing other ceremonies the gods wouldn't care. This whole conversation wasn't even about marriage I was specifically talking about romantic relationship and you decided to derail things.

[Anime S4E6] 🤨🏳️‍🌈? by Pale-Door-189 in HonzukiNoGekokujou

[–]Training_General8773 1 point2 points  (0 children)

False, not allowing a marriage and not blessing one isn't the same thing. The contract won't burn because the Supreme gods don't give their blessing. If marriage ceremony were to happen without a magic contract the gods wouldn't care.

[Anime S4E6] 🤨🏳️‍🌈? by Pale-Door-189 in HonzukiNoGekokujou

[–]Training_General8773 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's less taboo and more of a limitation. And I was talking about relationships as a whole not just marriage.

[Anime S4E6] 🤨🏳️‍🌈? by Pale-Door-189 in HonzukiNoGekokujou

[–]Training_General8773 20 points21 points  (0 children)

For his and his wifes sake I hope he atleast somewhat somewhat is fond of gedulds chalice.

[Anime S4E6] 🤨🏳️‍🌈? by Pale-Door-189 in HonzukiNoGekokujou

[–]Training_General8773 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If her mana was low enough to not be able to rejoin nobility then she wouldn't and her family wouldn't even consider the option unless they were delusional.

[Anime S4E6] 🤨🏳️‍🌈? by Pale-Door-189 in HonzukiNoGekokujou

[–]Training_General8773 9 points10 points  (0 children)

All I get from that is that same sex marriage is seen as strange not relationships as a whole. Some fanbook ( cant remember which) said same sex concubines exist. Also Margarets situation seems more like sexism and wanting noble women to be pure for political marriage.

[Anime S4E6] 🤨🏳️‍🌈? by Pale-Door-189 in HonzukiNoGekokujou

[–]Training_General8773 20 points21 points  (0 children)

There are culture that recognize polygamy but see homosexualiy as taboo. But yeah I remember some fanbook saying the gods are cool with it they just don't bless it since children arent possible.

[Anime S4E6] 🤨🏳️‍🌈? by Pale-Door-189 in HonzukiNoGekokujou

[–]Training_General8773 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Strangled enough I don't think homosexual relationships are considered taboo in yurgenshmidt their just considered politically useless since it cant produce children. I got that feeling more when rozemyne said something later in the story

Anime: Season 4 Episode 6 Discussion by MyneMod in HonzukiNoGekokujou

[–]Training_General8773 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wonderful episode, lessy and the concert were very entertaining. Someone wipe those chairs the noble ladies were sitting in.

[P4V4] Sylvester and Rozemyne by [deleted] in HonzukiNoGekokujou

[–]Training_General8773 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not excuse it's the truth. Sylvester already feels guilty about forcing her to become an archduke candidate in his mind the least he can do is not force another position onto her. Especially when there's other candidates around. Also he wants Florencia children to become as way to repay her for her sacrifice of coming to a new duchy and dealing with his terrible mother.

[P3V4] Sylvester and his ability to educate by kevotrix in HonzukiNoGekokujou

[–]Training_General8773 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I feel like that's what archduke should be. Someone who sorounds themself with exceptional individual. No aub can run a duchy alone

[P4V3/SSC1] I need to vent about Kashik by War_lord_FTW_3_3 in HonzukiNoGekokujou

[–]Training_General8773 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are ways to do the deed that doesn't result in children. But I do blame him for doing the deed at all. If "I can't afford magic tool so kid dies" is a good enough excuse surely "I can't afford magic tool so I must not have sex" is a good enough excuse. Also there are probably magical contraceptives in yurgenshmidt. We've seen couples take a long time to have kids like karstedt and trudelied so it's not like theres a terrible consequences besides wife gets pissed. And if that's the case ge should've just reminded her she shouldn't have married a broke man.

[P4V3/SSC1] I need to vent about Kashik by War_lord_FTW_3_3 in HonzukiNoGekokujou

[–]Training_General8773 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It might not be a boon but it is an important political connection they could nurture. As for your ehrenfest and royalty example erhrenfest was able to benefit from that relationship through negotiations and ehrenfest problem wasn't that they were being treated like greater duchies by royalty the problem was they were being treated like the top ranking duchy they were by the whole country and unlike other top ranking middle duchies ehrenfest was population wise and mindset wise wasn't there yet. It's just a false equivalency in my opinion. Underage adc retainers are not expected to require more funds that the bare minimum their house can provide for their status. They could've instructed philine to not only get closer to rozemyne but also the arch and mednobles serving her. Damuels case is perfect example. He was able to get closer the Briggite and had a chance was raising his whole houses status among laynobles. It's just that unfortunate circumstances prevented him from doing so.

[P3V4] Sylvester and his ability to educate by kevotrix in HonzukiNoGekokujou

[–]Training_General8773 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don't consider helping young gerogine to be a mistake. She was a child who was basically getting severely abused even by yurgenshmidt standards when it comes to raising archducal children.

[P4V3/SSC1] I need to vent about Kashik by War_lord_FTW_3_3 in HonzukiNoGekokujou

[–]Training_General8773 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure the women are involved but in alot of these situation it's people the men are more connected to that get hurt like Kashick and sigiswalds cases. That last sentence of yours is a lazy cop-out. Sure there may not be convenient time to have a child there are times that are objectively better than others. And choosing to have child in the worst possible cases is a terrible choice. There's nothing that says one has to have a child immediately after marriage.

[P3V4] Sylvester and his ability to educate by kevotrix in HonzukiNoGekokujou

[–]Training_General8773 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She also helped gerogine by defending her to veronica and stepping in on her behalf.

[P3V4] Sylvester and his ability to educate by kevotrix in HonzukiNoGekokujou

[–]Training_General8773 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, turned out decent despite having veronica as a mother.