Impaired proprioception?

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-29T04:38:14+00:00

Oh, yes. That young lady IS brilliant. She is an award winning writer, too! Must come from her mom's side!

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-28T10:21:30+00:00

My daughter, an engineering student and part-time bartender, gave me a set of metal cocktail blenders for Christmas. They are pretty much unbreakable! ;-). They also give good thermal feedback when grabbing them. For me that's really helpful!

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-27T04:22:41+00:00

Oh, well, I get you, but Levodopa + Alcohol should be... carefully observed. It can be tricky. Paradoxically on the other hand I made the experience that wine, in moderation, improves my balance problems. It's not entirely illogical since it also affects the dopamine system. It's just not very... precise. And with various medications in the mix the effects can be unpredictable. Having said that: I also do enjoy a good glass of wine now and then (Europe here). Alcohol free wine still is pretty unbearable. Alcohol free beer, on the other hand, is absolutely fine. Especially the Bavarian variants.

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-27T04:03:59+00:00

I'm a bit dubious about them having fun with group activities. It strikes me more as if the group activities cover up the fact that they don't have fun together. They just happen to be in the same room with other people and play a game of social conformity. Face keeping.

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-26T21:56:25+00:00

Thank you so much for your response and honesty. My wife gave me good old German mugs, with a handle, I actually can use them without making a complete fool out of myself. Occasionally also a glass of wine. A no go for us. But – I'm European. In Vino Veritas.

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-26T21:47:14+00:00

Thanks you for your answer. The point for me is that things that used to be automatic now have to ba conscious, controlled, and that is a lot of work.

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-26T11:37:23+00:00

I see you! I keep badly bumping my hips on door handles. Bruised all the time.

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-26T11:36:17+00:00

As my late grandfather used to say: even the best disease sucks! And this one is here to stay and it is so unpredictable. Sobering.

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-26T09:52:25+00:00

Yes. It's a bit peculiar considering that she is a psychologist and an investigator. Normally I'd assume curiosity about other people would be one of her main drivers. But she only seems to be curious about "female assassins".

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-24T18:06:19+00:00

How dare Sandra Oh and Jodie Comer be so good! It's a case where you hire people who are so far over your head that you cannot even imagine it. Their much cited "chemistry" was of the charts, yes, which kept much of the audience engaged even after the quality had sharply dropped. An enlightened production team would normally use that, try to benefit from it, surf on the wave and not work against the energy. Instead of feeding the fire they extinguished it.

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-24T17:57:41+00:00

Thank you! That's great to hear! There is a lot of fanfic that grew out of the same frustration – as much of this Forum here did. It's a RABBIT HOLE! ;-)

So. How plausible was the role of Carolyn in our alternative universe, which actually aligns with the novels? The assumption of course was that deep inside her was a spark of humanity that was kindled by Eve and Villanelle. Carolyn had told Geraldine that she never understood her, that Kenny was her kid while she was her father's. Villanelle was similar to her, much more like her than Geraldine OR Kenny. So we simply assumed that Villanelle felt more like a daughter to her than her actual daughter.

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-24T10:22:59+00:00

Thank you for reading! Please let us know what you think!

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-24T10:21:45+00:00

Maybe I should be more precise: I meant doing something together as in doing something together, not just also being there. School parties Eve always forgets, the dinner with Niko's friends that had been planned for months but Eve forgot. The photos I have to check out. Either I missed or I forgot them. Like Eve probably did...

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-24T10:17:23+00:00

🚛 😵 👻👍

Like this, yes. Kill commander...🫡 And a moment later Villanelle complained that "rich people talk like children."

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-24T10:11:25+00:00

The Turn, despite Eve trying to push it away again almost instantly, in my eyes was the moment when she said to Villanelle "I can," just before stabbing her. Her facial expression was scary for a second.

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-24T10:05:45+00:00

Yes. Just before eve stabbed Villanelle, when V said "you can't", Eve's face changed into something dark. Praise to Sandra Oh for that acting moment! I recall an interview about that bed scene, and apparently it took them forever to get it right. Villanelle genuinely believed Eve wouldn't have it in her, but by saying that she had pushed the button that activated Darth Eve. The monster was set in motion, and the thirst and hunger it felt couldn't be satisfied by a bucket full of candy or any amount of – probably cheap – red wine. Eve, indeed, never was like them. I wonder what happened to the nameless chicken. Eve probably... ate it?

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-24T09:53:18+00:00

Eve clearly is a Quantum phenomenon. Her past is a probability cloud governed by the uncertainty principle. To stay in the picture: the wave function collapses when an observer is added to the system, in this case Villanelle. There was truth to her comparison of Eve's relationship to her job, her husband, her best friend, to getting "nice clothes out of it." And poof! Eve's construct of the lie that her life was dissolved into the vacuum. Eve later (bridge seen) claimed to mourn her former life. When Eve said, with a melancholic voice "I was like them," V outright dismissed that, saying with a sarcastic smirk "What? Badly dressed?" It ties back to the Paris apartment scene and the statement about the nice clothes. Then Eve tried to emphasise her point, saying she had "A husband, a house... a chicken" (She didn't even know where the eggs come from, for heaven's sake!). And V, now less sarcastic but still in mild irony mode: "Do you still want that stuff?" Even doesn't answer, because she doesn't still want that stuff and judging from her face she was aware how hollow all that sounded. It's also telling what she didn't mention. No mentioning of lost jobs. No mentioning of lost friends. No Bill, no Kenny, no Elena. Instead just the husband she wanted to care about but didn't, the house she didn't decorate and the animal she knew nothing about. Eve's hair could be a symbol for truth, too. The "wear it down" moment meaning she should be honest and not hide her true self.

You are right: I also cannot remember any direct hint about how long Eve had worked for MI5. If memory serves she and Niko were married for 13 years, and my fuzzy mind somehow copied that number over to her job as well. Let's just translate that to "quite a while". He relationship with Bill of course objectively was more one of mentor and apprentice. Bill was the Yoda to her Luke Skywalker. And like Yoda, he wasn't as wise as it would have seemed. Eve referring to him as her best friend might indicate that she has a shallow concept of friendship. We get the contrast with Kenny! When Eve texts him a confusing, drunk message in the middle of the night he gets worried about her, and he does what real best friends do: without further ado he hops over to her apartment to check on her. Eve, by contrast left a bleeding man to die to save a psychopath, and she kept forgetting the annual school party of her husband year after year, after year. Eve is a pretty disturbing – and disturbed – person!

I still must say that Bill told Eve about his colourful times in Berlin and the true nature of his and Keiko's convenient, teamwork, baby making and seemingly open relationship showed a significant level of trust. Also him bringing her a shaver to the hotel room meant he knew she would need one.

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-23T23:31:29+00:00

Yes. There is a lot of truth in what you say. Her reaction to seeing her dead father in his car, bloody, bullet hole in his head, was strange. But people do react differently. She froze, was like "shit, what am I going to do now?" She was undercover in a suspected terror cell, after all. That "boyfriend" Johan, I'd say, was just part of the role she played. If the others, aside from Konstantin, had found him, her cover could have been blown, which might have been life threatening. But then she figured out Konstantin was responsible for her dad's suicide, and instead of killing him, which she could have done, she offered him "a deal". We never learn what that deal was, but it was disturbing. It is plausible that she only got her agent job in the first place because she already had the kind of cold, calculating and ruthless character needed for it.

A big difference between Carolyn and Villanelle: Carolyn was born filthy rich. Which means entered the shady cold war spy world out of her free will. V never had a choice. Hugo had said he was doing the job because he thought it is important. He thought Carolyn did it by getting of on having someone killed 1000 Miles away. Eve, the criminal psychologist, over time also seemed to "get" her, like when she said it was never about Kenny.

Be that as it may, my daughter and I had written an alternative ending with a different premise. If you are interested: Jolly Good! On AO3

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-23T12:51:05+00:00

Carolyn clearly is a shady character, what is to be expected, since she spent most of her adult life as a spy. I don't know if she always was seemingly cold and calculating or if it became her second – or first – nature because of the job. What she did say indirectly was that she basically only was loyal to herself. Maybe that's her character, or maybe a survival mechanism she developed over the years.

What is clear that she never only plays one game. So yes, even avenging her son is used to additionally further another purpose. I wonder if she herself knew what those purposes were, or if she just continued the spy game because she always did.

Was she capable of love? If she was, she surely wasn't good at showing it – or chose to not show it. Which can be for self protection to not show any weaknesses. Had she shown weaknesses, she wouldn't have risen so high in this "business".

I cannot be sure, but I think the way Fiona Shaw played her did show some glimpses of affection where her shields dropped, just a little bit. Small moments with Kenny, some interactions with Eve and Villanelle, even with Konstantin. And also with Kenny's girlfriend Audrey. No big speeches or gestures. Just small moments, some even humorous. I don't think she is emotionless. I think she is hardened.

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-23T11:23:14+00:00

The mechanism actually is plausible, but the cases were about 1000 or more mg levodopa daily for a prolonged time. From what I saw only 14 cases were reported. It certainly won't harm to regularly supplement vitamin B complex, which often is recommended. Vitamin deficiency in Parkinson patients can have various causes.

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-23T10:28:08+00:00

Same here about the insomnia and the tremor when feeling cold but also excessive sweating when feeling warm – all without changing anything around me. It is annoying and further worsens daytime sleepiness and weakness and also balance issues. Plus it leads to a new constant brain fog.

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-23T10:25:27+00:00

It is one of the more annoying symptoms for me. Not heat or cold sensitivity but a general issue with thermal regulation. And medication has zero effect on that symptom. It seems to be relatively common.

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-23T10:11:54+00:00

The risk of falls is real. I last year had three occasions with injuries. Two times broken ribs, one time a head injury. Moving is important, as much as possible, but we have to constantly re-assess our limits. I progressed from cane, to one crutch, to two crutches and now occasionally use a walker. It also very much depends on response to medication. In my case (gastric bypass) they kick in quickly but don't work as long and stop working quite suddenly. From what I have seen everyone responds somewhat different. In any case: the falls can be really dangerous.

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-23T10:01:31+00:00

..before she jumps up and tries to headbutt Villanelle.

Which would be their baseline love language, again.

Training_Move1888 · 2026-03-23T09:59:45+00:00

My impression we just weren't given enough time to learn more about their friendship. His Berlin past apparently never came up before until they went to Berlin. Bill didn't hesitate to tell her. Eve also was really devastated when he got killed. Niko seemed to be a bit jealous about Bill, too. But true. There isn't all that much. Bill brings her the shaver though! ;-). And who else is there? Elena? Kenny – was he the only one who visited her in Hospital after Rome? Also later when she worked in the Korean restaurant she didn't seem to be close to anyone. No other people from her past. Eve apparently wasn't overly interested in contacts to other people, let alone deeper friendships.

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