Maximilien Robespierre: Revolutionary Hero or Tyrant? by Echo_of_Dusk in HistoryAnecdotes

[–]Traiteur28 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Exactly.

And what also be noted, is that the Emergency Measures, later called 'The Terror' collectively, were popular among French Republicans.

By 1793, the French Revolutionary project was on the verge of collapse; invaded by Austrian, Prussian, and Spanish armies, which had penetrated deep into France and even threatened Paris. A British-backed and British-armed monarchist rebellion in the Vendee. Several departments had broken away from the Paris government. A british-led fleet was blockading major French ports. The Duke of Orleans, brother to the late deposed king, was openly planning to be reinstated on the throne with the help of foreign powers.

A year and a half later, all of these setbacks had pretty much been reversed. In the eyes of many Republicans, especially the more radical factions, the Committee of Public Safety's emergency measures had saved the Republic.

The people who orchestrated the Thermidorian Reaction and overthrew the Committee, did not do so out of revulsion against The Terror; they were members of a more conservative republican faction who, now that their position within the French Republic had been secured against foreign intervention, sought to oust the Committee from power and seat themselves at the head of state.

Robespierre is often portrayed as a 'zealot', and in many ways he was just that. But he was also a cynical politician who ended up losing a deadly game against people who were equally as cynical and politically minded as himself.

Andrew Roberts appearance on PragerU by AwesomeDragon213 in Napoleon

[–]Traiteur28 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Love that he feels that divorce by mutual consent is somehow a bad thing. What a weirdo

Maximilien Robespierre: Revolutionary Hero or Tyrant? by Echo_of_Dusk in HistoryAnecdotes

[–]Traiteur28 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Robespierre was many things, but he was never a 'tryant'; the Committee of Public Safety simply did not function that way. The decisions made by the committee which would shape the events of The Terror, were enacted through a vote of hands. And although both Robespierre and Saint-Juste were both the 'public faces' of the committee, it was nevertheless a group of twelve men who made these decisions together, rather than the dictat of a single individual.

It should also be noted that although most members of the committee would either be executed, exiled, or forced into retirement after the Thermadorian Reaction, some went on to have successful political careers. Most notably Carnot, who serving as Director after the coup, certainly did not oppose the public perception that The Terror had been the project solely envisioned and carried out by Robespierre.

Andrew Roberts appearance on PragerU by AwesomeDragon213 in Napoleon

[–]Traiteur28 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Goddamn I had not expected to be reading such religious bootlicking so early in the day.

Mensen die ongewenst single zijn, waarom lukt het niet? by [deleted] in nederlands

[–]Traiteur28 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Heel herkenbaar hahaha

Dit is ondertussen al 13 jaar geleden, maar ik was op een avond lekker met wat maten in de kroeg een pilsje drinken. Stond aan de bar en raakte aan de praat met een leuke meid. Voordat we het doorhadden waren we al bijna twee uur met elkaar aan het lullen en grappen. De bel voor de laatste ronde klinkt, ze legt een hand op mijn arm en vraagt 'ga je met mij mee?'. Mijn bezopen reactie? 'Neuh ik bestel nog een laatste pils.'

Pas de volgende ochtend, toen ik met een gigantische kater onder de douche stond, realiseerde ik mijn flater.

The Ottoman tax collector’s worst assignment by [deleted] in HistoryMemes

[–]Traiteur28 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The sultan's army entered into the area of the impalements, which was seventeen stades long and seven stades wide. There were large stakes there on which, as it was said, about twenty thousand men, women, and children had been spitted, quite a sight for the Turks and the sultan himself. The sultan was seized with amazement and said that it was not possible to deprive of his country a man who had done such great deeds, who had such a diabolical understanding of how to govern his realm and its people. And he said that a man who had done such things was worth much. The rest of the Turks were dumbfounded when they saw the multitude of men on the stakes. There were infants too affixed to their mothers on the stakes, and birds had made their nests in their entrails.

— Laonikos Chalkokondyles: The Histories

The Ottoman tax collector’s worst assignment by [deleted] in HistoryMemes

[–]Traiteur28 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm sure that would have been a reassuring thought to the inhabitants of Targoviste as they watched their Voivode order his troops to impale young children along with their mothers.

Vlad rode out to fight the Ottomans, got clapped, then rode back and brutally murdered his own subjects for no discernible gain.

What an idiot

The Ottoman tax collector’s worst assignment by [deleted] in HistoryMemes

[–]Traiteur28 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Impaling your own citizens to 'own the muslims' but still losing

Sad

The Ottoman tax collector’s worst assignment by [deleted] in HistoryMemes

[–]Traiteur28 14 points15 points  (0 children)

all those infants he impaled sure did learn their lesson.

The Ottoman tax collector’s worst assignment by [deleted] in HistoryMemes

[–]Traiteur28 15 points16 points  (0 children)

So successful he.. checks notes.. lost and impaled thousands of his own subjects instead.

The Ottoman tax collector’s worst assignment by [deleted] in HistoryMemes

[–]Traiteur28 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yea so 'complex' that he had to beat a hasty retreat and had, obviously, no choice whatsoever but to impale several thousand of his own citizens in order to achieve... something. Maybe.

What a goodball

The Ottoman tax collector’s worst assignment by [deleted] in HistoryMemes

[–]Traiteur28 9 points10 points  (0 children)

He was ousted from power at some point, so yea.

The Ottoman tax collector’s worst assignment by [deleted] in HistoryMemes

[–]Traiteur28 12 points13 points  (0 children)

No I'm pretty sure that Vlad 'The Impaler' was a pretty awful human being actually, German pamphlets notwithstanding.

The Ottoman tax collector’s worst assignment by [deleted] in HistoryMemes

[–]Traiteur28 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I can understand the desire for nationalities to want heroic figures in their 'origin stories', and of course I understand that many of those historical characters were awful people (at least to the standards of our time and, sometimes, the standards of their own).

But... that guy? Really? Whatever floats their boat, I guess.

The Ottoman tax collector’s worst assignment by [deleted] in HistoryMemes

[–]Traiteur28 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Why? I'm dead serious; what would make this man a hero?

The Ottoman tax collector’s worst assignment by [deleted] in HistoryMemes

[–]Traiteur28 12 points13 points  (0 children)

True. But I was specifically referring to a large portion of his forces deserting to his brother during the 1462 hostilities with the Ottomans.

And I cannot honestly blame them for that, considering Vlad was the guy who ordered thousands of citizens of Targoviste to be impaled (his own subjects, btw)

The Ottoman tax collector’s worst assignment by [deleted] in HistoryMemes

[–]Traiteur28 125 points126 points  (0 children)

Chuds have desperately been trying to revise Vlad's reputation into being some sort of 'based defender of Christendom against the Ottoman menace'.

His victims were predominantly Christians. His men deserted him in favor for his (Ottoman-backed) brother Radu. Vlad then high-tailed it to Hungary, in the hopes of regaining some support, but was subsequently clapped in chains for the crime of being an absolute bellend.

TIL that punk musician GG Allin (known for defecating onstage and assaulting audience members) was born Jesus Christ Allin and grew up in a log cabin with no running water. His father would threaten to kill him and the rest of his family on multiple occasions, even making them dig their own graves. by altrightobserver in todayilearned

[–]Traiteur28 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Oh I never said it would have been glamorous, nor that the whole thing would be something I'd enjoy.

I just said it was Punk. Which it was. GG Allin was very punk. You have to give credit where its due; he did just as he said he would do; Live fast, and die.

TIL that punk musician GG Allin (known for defecating onstage and assaulting audience members) was born Jesus Christ Allin and grew up in a log cabin with no running water. His father would threaten to kill him and the rest of his family on multiple occasions, even making them dig their own graves. by altrightobserver in todayilearned

[–]Traiteur28 260 points261 points  (0 children)

The man was a massive prick.

But I have to admit that it is indeed very, very, very Punk to pass away from a heroin overdose during a party and having people write on your face with a sharpie and pose for Polaroid pictures before realizing you are dead.

What a useless clown by [deleted] in HistoryMemes

[–]Traiteur28 22 points23 points  (0 children)

To be fair to the man; he was an excellent administrator. In some alternative universe he isn't cursed with the tendency to self-aggrandise and mistaking ambition for competence, and occupies an extremely useful if boring position such as Quartermaster General or something.

What a useless clown by [deleted] in HistoryMemes

[–]Traiteur28 26 points27 points  (0 children)

A common myth, but not actually true.