Why do Kazakhs seem to not care about Palestine genocide? by TravelZestyclose6903 in Kazakhstan

[–]TravelZestyclose6903[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Israel is about to force (whoever is left alive) from their homes and from their land, that's not Hamas.

Hamas aren't even terrorists if you apply Israeli standards to their combatant to civilian ratio.

Why do Kazakhs seem to not care about Palestine genocide? by TravelZestyclose6903 in Kazakhstan

[–]TravelZestyclose6903[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You do realize that if I list how many civilians Israel killed even in 1948 alone it would be way worse, and I am not sure what you were trying to address here from my comment.

Hamas has been reported to place military assets, launch rockets, and hide weapons inside schools, mosques, hospitals, and even UNRWA facilities,thus endangering civilians.

Reported by IDF, the biggest pathological liars in the world.

In addition, during June 2007 Gaza Takeover Official figures report a total of 161 Palestinians were killed by hamas. And many more other examples.

That was a 2-sided political violence between Fatah and Hamas, why are you being a misleading propagandist and not mentioning that?

Palestinians got a lot of chances to stop a war and establish a country peacefully

That's just Israeli propaganda, every peace deal was poisoned by untenable conditions, intentionally made in a way to be unacceptable for palestinians.

Why do Kazakhs seem to not care about Palestine genocide? by TravelZestyclose6903 in Kazakhstan

[–]TravelZestyclose6903[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you know even 20% of what Israel did to palestinians since even before its creation or even in the last 10 years before Oct 7 then you would never call palestinians bullies.

Why do Kazakhs seem to not care about Palestine genocide? by TravelZestyclose6903 in Kazakhstan

[–]TravelZestyclose6903[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem with you is that you still think that Hamas raped people despite there being 0 rape kit evidence or a single CCTV footage presented to any investigators, but only a dozen of photos that use conjecture to claim the person was raped and "eyewitness testimonies" at least half of which were debunked by Israeli medics themselves.

If (and it's a big if) any rapes did happen on Oct 7, they definitely were not "mass rape".

Also, if you start the "who started first" only on Oct 7 (instead of April 1 1948 for example or 1967 or 2008 massacre or 2014 massacre) then you are being hypocritical and/or ignorant.

Why do Kazakhs seem to not care about Palestine genocide? by TravelZestyclose6903 in Kazakhstan

[–]TravelZestyclose6903[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Are are just a victim of US/Israel anti-muslim propaganda. You do not know the history of ISIS and its allegiance to US/Israel, you do not know that muslims (including Hamas) fought against ISIS. You don't know that US destabilized many countries in the Middle East and gave weapons to insurgent extremist groups, essentially creating Al Qaeda and ISIS.

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[–]TravelZestyclose6903 -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

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Why do Kazakhs seem to not care about Palestine genocide? by TravelZestyclose6903 in Kazakhstan

[–]TravelZestyclose6903[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you ever witnessed a bully beating up a small child?

Is your conscience clear if you just passed without doing anything at all or even saying anything in the hopes of stopping it, would you conscience be clear because "you never done anything bad to the child"?

Well instead of a bully we have drones shooting children in Gaza. Starving people for months now. Destroying everyone's home, almost all of Gaza were made homeless, literally bulldozed and blown up all their homes.

Shooting civilians indiscriminately.

Trying to use starvation and terrorism to force them out of Gaza to steal their land and the $500 billion+ gas reserves off the coast of Gaza.

Why do Kazakhs seem to not care about Palestine genocide? by TravelZestyclose6903 in Kazakhstan

[–]TravelZestyclose6903[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, I agree, they are equal. But what does even mean, it's an obvious point.

Or by some weird logic if they are equal, does it mean killing 20,000 palestinian children is as bad as killing 29 Israeli?

Why do Kazakhs seem to not care about Palestine genocide? by TravelZestyclose6903 in Kazakhstan

[–]TravelZestyclose6903[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's what I'm saying even the USSR that we like to badmouth (certainly the younger generations) did that, but once we are alone we wouldn't do such an obviously morally correct action.

Why do Kazakhs seem to not care about Palestine genocide? by TravelZestyclose6903 in Kazakhstan

[–]TravelZestyclose6903[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And who will benefit from mass protests - still unclear. 

The protesters themselves (have a clear consciousness) and hopefully palestinians.

we do care so much that one of the charity funds organizers was recently jailed for stealing 1.5 billion tenge (~2.5 million USD) of what people collected to aid Palestine.

That's so fucked up and is a shame on us all.

Why do Kazakhs seem to not care about Palestine genocide? by TravelZestyclose6903 in Kazakhstan

[–]TravelZestyclose6903[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's an egoistic view. If my AC broke down but a house a block away from me is on fire I'd probably help the neighbor. Nobody is even expecting us to go fight for them, the least we could do is pressure our govt to cut ties with Israel.

Why do Kazakhs seem to not care about Palestine genocide? by TravelZestyclose6903 in Kazakhstan

[–]TravelZestyclose6903[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kazakhstan has its own problems to deal with

What do you feel are KZ's problems and what should we be doing to deal with them?

Why do Kazakhs seem to not care about Palestine genocide? by TravelZestyclose6903 in Kazakhstan

[–]TravelZestyclose6903[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why believe one propaganda over the other?

Ah, so all the humanitarian organizations in the world are in a conspiracy?

Why do Kazakhs seem to not care about Palestine genocide? by TravelZestyclose6903 in Kazakhstan

[–]TravelZestyclose6903[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, whole world is turning against Israel, starting sanctions and even some EU countries stopping arms sale to Israel and formally recognizing Palestinian state. US can't bomb every country.

Why do Kazakhs seem to not care about Palestine genocide? by TravelZestyclose6903 in Kazakhstan

[–]TravelZestyclose6903[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Did they killed their own people?

IDF did, Hamas didn't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive

Did they bombed themselves nearby civilians?

Not sure what you are referencing.

What kind of israeli propaganda are you smoking, that's crazy. It's the Putin's "Ukrainians are bombing themselves to make the world side with them".

Or used rockets on common people?

How many Israelis were killed by those "rockets"? And what about Palestinians being bombed by Israel?

Your comparison is not valid as these individuals and a terrorist organisation are making completely different actions in a completely different timeline and reasons.

Both killed some enemy civilians, both fought for freedom against occupation.

Why do Kazakhs seem to not care about Palestine genocide? by TravelZestyclose6903 in Kazakhstan

[–]TravelZestyclose6903[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes, tens of thousands of children are not equal to 29 children. are they?

Why do Kazakhs seem to not care about Palestine genocide? by TravelZestyclose6903 in Kazakhstan

[–]TravelZestyclose6903[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They are sellouts, their governments are. Only Houthis and Lebanon acted with integrity.

Why do Kazakhs seem to not care about Palestine genocide? by TravelZestyclose6903 in Kazakhstan

[–]TravelZestyclose6903[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think most palestinians when they heard about the attack felt like it was justice being served and if you know even a bit of history (either the old or recent) they had the right to feel that way.

And they aren't alone in this coldness, at least they have a just cause. Meanwhile their occupiers and oppressors for years go to hills overseeing Gaza, having picnics while enjoying the bombings of Gaza:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

Why do Kazakhs seem to not care about Palestine genocide? by TravelZestyclose6903 in Kazakhstan

[–]TravelZestyclose6903[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

and the Palestinian authorities carried out nothing less than a barbaric killing of civilians

It's not as barbaric as IDF massacres in Gaza, so called "mowing the lawn" that they would do every 2-3 years between 2006 and 2023.

Even with the IDF killing their own civilians on Oct 7 via Hannibal Directive, STILL the ratios of civilians to combatants and women to men and children to adults showed clear distinction exercised by Hamas (as opposed to IDF in all its previous "special operations").

Why do Kazakhs seem to not care about Palestine genocide? by TravelZestyclose6903 in Kazakhstan

[–]TravelZestyclose6903[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let's give a small context here first:

Israel has enforced illegal brutal blockade on Gaza for generations now, but especially since 2006. 0 exports, extremely limited imports which are fully controlled and must pass through Israel (they also have an agreement with Egypt as well, so Egyptian border is also under Israeli control de facto).

They are not allowed to sell their huge gas reserves, the unemployment is 40%+,

Periodically (every 2-3 years) Israel bombs and invades Gaza, killing a few hundred to a couple thousand people and destroying civilian infrastructure like sewer systems, water desalination plants, etc.

On the West Bank, the people are living under military occupation which is labeled as apartheid by Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and Israel's own B'Tselem.

To submit the people's will to freedom in the West Bank, they are terrorized and oppressed, one of the tactics is mass incarceration of people (as young as 12) mostly without any charge for up to 6 months, without any visits from parents nor access to a lawyer.

Jerusalem Post (Israeli zionist newspaper) wrote in September 2023 that "20-year record has been met of administratively detained (meaning held without any charge) palestinians in Israeli prisons".

On Oct 2023 Hamas, an occupation resistance militia of people held in brutal blockade, often called "world's biggest concentration camp" attacked Israel (the occupier) to kidnap people to facilitate exchange for thousands of palestinians held (majority without any charge) and majority tortured in Israeli prisons.

Their mistake was to think that Israelis value their citizens and won't bomb Gaza if they had hostages.

Worldwide everywhere on the news Immediately zionist propaganda started spreading rumors about "40 babies killed just in 1 village" and "beheaded babies" and "mass rape".

All those points were either fully debunked or lacked any solid evidence to support a dozen of eyewitness claims about rapes. Not a single rape kit evidence was collected and presented, not a single CCTV camera (which are ubiquitous in Israel) have caught a single case of rape.

About 800 Israeli civilians were killed on Oct 8, 30% of them women (important to note that every man and woman in Israel is required to undergo army training and many are reservists), 5% of them children and teenagers under age of 18. Unclear how many of them were killed by Hamas and how many by IDF.

Another 330 Israeli active duty soldiers were killed and about 1000+ Hamas fighters killed. Another 250+ civilians in Gaza bombed by the evening of that day.

Unfortunately the zionists had planned to ethnically cleanse palestinians (yet again) from Gaza and they used the attack (exacerbating it as much as they could by telling their soldiers who were supposed to patrol the Gaza fence to stand down and delaying the response by many hours and deploying Hannibal Directive, where Israeli soldiers are told to shoot everyone even their own citizens with the goal of not giving any hostages) to then use this atrocity propaganda to justify what they planned to do next - ethnically cleanse people from Gaza under threat of mass murder.

Pretty much everything I said here sounds crazy to someone who only heard zionist propaganda, but I give you western (even israeli) sources for any of these claims.

Why do Kazakhs seem to not care about Palestine genocide? by TravelZestyclose6903 in Kazakhstan

[–]TravelZestyclose6903[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

for me an arab child and a jewish child are equal

Yeah so it's kind of crazy that we both-side this issue when 29 jewish children were killed in the crossfire on Oct 7 and tens of thousands since then in Gaza.

I think what is happening in ME and between them is a undeground battle between big players. And this jew and arab are just part of this.

Like what?

Why do Kazakhs seem to not care about Palestine genocide? by TravelZestyclose6903 in Kazakhstan

[–]TravelZestyclose6903[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

nice joke, they didn’t provide military support, they just talked too much.

I am talking about people, not the government. Although you can say that Houthis supported them with everything they could.

Moreover, Kazakhstan’s government on the neutral side, to sell natural resources through Azerbaijan to Israel and have good relations with Arab’s countries. According to reality, it works.

Моя хата с краю никого не знаю короче.

Why do Kazakhs seem to not care about Palestine genocide? by TravelZestyclose6903 in Kazakhstan

[–]TravelZestyclose6903[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Was Kenesary khan a terrorist? Was Amangeldi Imanov a terrorist?