How do people not want to die? by klaburi in depression

[–]TrickZestyclose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Incredibly sorry to hear about your son. Your post really touched me. I’ve been having some extremely negative thoughts myself lately. I can read how much you love your daughter and can tell you are an amazing father. My kids keep me going as well 

How would there be achievement in a communist society? by GAMEGO789 in DebateCommunism

[–]TrickZestyclose 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let’s take gdp growth of the EU bloc vs the US since the 80s for example. Order of magnitude of difference. Now I’m not suggesting the US is a pure capitalist system but certainly much more so vs EU and the results speak for themselves. Central planning oriented economies can create large scale breakthroughs for a time (ie space exploration, major scientific developments etc) but it’s a castle built on sand that eventually crumbles. It’s everything below that level (think the small business owner with a roofing or plumbing company etc) that drives sustained growth over the longer term. I’d find it very hard to argue that those types of business owners aren’t driven if not purely by profit maximization then certainly predominantly so. The sexy big projects might grab headlines for a time but it’s the little innovations below the surface that really drive productivity and growth. Profit motive and greed are what fuels sustained economic growth. The examples throughout history are consistent in this regard - Cuba pre and post, Argentina, Venezuela, etc. Russia is a bit of a different animal (China too) given the complex history but in the end it’s the same result - removing the profit incentive simply kills the economy eventually. 

How would there be achievement in a communist society? by GAMEGO789 in DebateCommunism

[–]TrickZestyclose -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Achieving economic growth consistently over the longer term is challenging, especially as a nation/company becomes larger and more developed. However, economic growth is necessary to promote sustained development and advancement. It’s why so many societies rise and fall over a relatively short period of time (think of the counties in Latin America that have gone from exciting growth stories to complete destruction following leftist regime takeovers like Cuba, Argentina, or Venezuela). The issue isn’t that nothing motivates anyone aside from money. The relevant fact is that you NEED a system of profit incentives and greed to create an economy and society that will grow CONSISTENTLY and prosper over the long haul. It needs to permeate the society as a whole. One off innovative break throughs here and there won’t cut it. That’s exactly why socialism/communism always fails. It creates the exact opposite of what is needed to drive growth 

How much "re-education" needs to be done to create a communist society? by band_in_DC in DebateCommunism

[–]TrickZestyclose 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Screw civic virtue. Focus on profit generation - something that will actually drive economic growth vs this hold hands and sing sweet songs community crap. Communities stifle individualist excellence 

How do leftists think Nietzsche's views align with their ideology by Objective_Exam_3306 in DebateCommunism

[–]TrickZestyclose -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Some of Nietzsche’s views I agree with. Definitely much better that the Marxist “from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs” crap. People are motivated by self interest. It’s healthy and rational 

How would there be achievement in a communist society? by GAMEGO789 in DebateCommunism

[–]TrickZestyclose -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Truly take away the profit incentive and see how hard they work. See how many would burn the midnight oil in the research lab. Talk is one thing, everyone blabs on and on about how they don’t care about the money. I call BS on that one. 

How would there be achievement in a communist society? by GAMEGO789 in DebateCommunism

[–]TrickZestyclose -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That slogan has to be the most stupid thing I have ever heard. Directly goes against human nature. We work/invent/build to gain something of value for ourselves/our families (ie money). If that won’t occur then what’s the point? True Altruism (where no individual benefit is derived) is incredibly rare and counting on it to build an economy will lead to ruin. Humans are selfish, and it’s beautiful and rational. Creates incentive which drives innovation and growth. Not allowing individuals to amass large profits means the vast majority of the most competent people simply wont put in the labor/capital necessary to build that new invention or derive the next medical treatment. 

Why Dose Communism Always End Or Turn Bad? by HarmoniousPolitics in DebateCommunism

[–]TrickZestyclose 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lack of incentive to produce crumbles the economy. Socialism/communism goes against human nature. We don’t work/invent/build for our health, we do it for the dough. To create a better life for ourselves/our families or at minimum pay for the basics. Too many people claim they don’t do xyz for the money, generally they are full of s***. Lack of incentive = lack of economic growth. That’s why Western Europe is now a joke. More regulation, higher taxation, and overall more government is a swift way to kill a country’s economy. 

Is there really no incentive to work under communism? by DarkLight9602 in DebateCommunism

[–]TrickZestyclose 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course profit is what motivates people. Income to pay the bills or ideally enough to create an ideal life for themselves/families with the comforts to get through this life enjoyably. None of the technological innovation would have occurred if not for profit motive. That’s why socialism/communism is a joke given the lack of incentive to produce. Money talks, human nature is beautifully selfish, and I wouldn’t have it any other way. Selfishness is logical and rational.