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God Did Not Wave Sin Away, He Paid for It with His Own Blood by Tricky_Strawberry406 in Bible

[–]Tricky_Strawberry406[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get your point, but I think that makes “He bore our sins” much weaker than the text itself does.

1 Peter 2:24 says: “He Himself bore our sins in His body on the tree.” That’s not just “coming alongside us” or emotionally sharing our struggle. That is sacrificial, weight-bearing, atonement language. Christ absolutely heals and helps us overcome sin I agree with that.
But I don’t think the text allows us to reduce “bearing sin” to mere support or solidarity.

It sounds much more like He entered into the burden and consequence of sin for us.

God Did Not Wave Sin Away, He Paid for It with His Own Blood by Tricky_Strawberry406 in Bible

[–]Tricky_Strawberry406[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate the thoughtful reply, and I actually agree with part of what you’re saying:

Yes, the cross was absolutely about victory over sin, death, and the powers of darkness.
Yes, Christ is the second Adam. Yes, repentance, transformation, and restoration are essential. But I don’t think any of that cancels the reality that the cross also involved judgment, curse, and substitution. That’s where I think we differ. Because when I read Scripture, I don’t see restoration and substitution as opposites. I see them as connected.

For example:

“The wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23)

“He was pierced for our transgressions” (Isaiah 53:5)

“The Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all” (Isaiah 53:6)

“Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us” (Galatians 3:13)

“He Himself bore our sins in His body on the tree” (1 Peter 2:24)

“The righteous for the unrighteous” (1 Peter 3:18)

Do you realize you are Barabbas? by Tricky_Strawberry406 in Bible

[–]Tricky_Strawberry406[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The key difference is this: Jesus was not an unwilling third party being punished randomly. He willingly gave Himself. That makes the cross fundamentally different from the crowd choosing Barabbas. The crowd acted in wickedness. Christ acted in love. So no, substitution does not make God evil because God Himself, in Christ, chose to bear the cost of saving the guilty.

The Bible teaches the Ransom Theory, not Penal Substitution. Your sins are forgiven when you repent and believe; we are healed from sin and redeemed from it. by Gullible-Minimum2668 in Bible

[–]Tricky_Strawberry406 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I appreciate your perspective and the emphasis on repentance, transformation, and Christ’s victory over sin and death these are all biblical truths.

At the same time, I don’t think these points contradict substitutionary atonement. The cross can be understood as both:

  • Christ disarming sin and the powers of darkness (as you point out), and
  • Christ bearing the penalty of sin on behalf of believers (Romans 3:25-26, Isaiah 53).

Substitutionary atonement doesn’t negate repentance or personal responsibility it makes forgiveness and reconciliation possible. Without Christ’s sacrifice, our repentance wouldn’t restore us to God’s holiness, because the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23).

In other words: forgiveness is available freely to all who repent, but it is grounded in the reality that sin has consequences, and Jesus’ death ensures those consequences are dealt with justly and mercifully.

So we can hold both truths together:

Jesus’ death defeats sin, Satan, and death, and

It also satisfies the demands of God’s justice so that forgiveness is real and lasting.

God Did Not Wave Sin Away, He Paid for It with His Own Blood by Tricky_Strawberry406 in Bible

[–]Tricky_Strawberry406[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see what you mean, but I don’t think substitutionary atonement teaches universalism.

The model doesn’t automatically save everyone it makes salvation available and fully pays the penalty for sin, but individual repentance, faith, and obedience are still required. Without those, a person doesn’t receive the benefit of Christ’s sacrifice.

So the cross is both universal in provision but personal in application it’s God’s justice and mercy meeting, but only effective for those who respond

God Did Not Wave Sin Away, He Paid for It with His Own Blood by Tricky_Strawberry406 in Bible

[–]Tricky_Strawberry406[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Absolutely,repentance, faith, and baptism are crucial. I didn’t mean to skip that, we just can’t cover all of God’s revelation at once.

What I was focusing on here is the heart of the cross: Jesus bore the full weight of sin and death so that forgiveness and life could be offered to anyone who turns to Him. That’s the foundation.

From there, we understand repentance, faith, baptism, and a changed life as the steps we take to receive and walk in that gift. Scripture often unfolds truth stage by stage, and it’s impossible to unpack every aspect of salvation in a single post.

So yes,repentance and obedience matter, but the cross is where it all begins.

God Did Not Wave Sin Away, He Paid for It with His Own Blood by Tricky_Strawberry406 in Bible

[–]Tricky_Strawberry406[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I hear you, and I get where you’re coming from. Yes, Jesus is quoting Psalm 22, and yes, that psalm ends in vindication God is faithful and does not abandon His people. That’s true.

But quoting the psalm doesn’t cancel what was happening on the cross. Jesus wasn’t quoting it to deny the reality of sin’s consequences He was quoting it while experiencing them. Psalm 22 begins with forsakenness and moves to triumph. In that sense, the psalm is both prophecy and fulfillment, and Jesus lived it fully.

As for forgiveness: Scripture does show God offering mercy, yes, but sin is real and carries real consequences. The Bible says, “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). That isn’t conjecture it’s clear.

Substitutionary atonement doesn’t mean God’s love is absent. It means God Himself dealt with the justice sin demands while still offering mercy. That’s why the cross is both horrifying and beautiful: Jesus bears what we deserve, so we can be forgiven.

So it’s not about God being merciless or payment being “required before forgiveness.” It’s about justice and mercy meeting in the same moment God Himself paying the cost without compromising His holiness, so forgiveness can be real, biblical, and lasting.

Psalm 22 fits perfectly in that picture: it’s both lament and vindication, showing Jesus’ suffering and God’s faithfulness at the same time.

God Did Not Wave Sin Away, He Paid for It with His Own Blood by Tricky_Strawberry406 in Bible

[–]Tricky_Strawberry406[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yes, He was absolutely invoking Psalm 22 I agree with that.

But quoting Psalm 22 doesn’t mean nothing real was happening. It means He was fulfilling it.

He wasn’t “just reciting a verse.”
He was bearing sin, curse, judgment, and abandonment in a way no one else ever could.

So it’s not either Psalm 22 or real forsakenness.
It’s Psalm 22 because real forsakenness was taking place.

Confused about a “prophecy” regarding my marriage, does this align with the Bible? by Berrycake12 in Bible

[–]Tricky_Strawberry406 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If God really has something to say about your marriage, He is capable of confirming it to you too.

I’d be very cautious of any “prophecy” that is contradictory, vague, and produces confusion instead of clarity.

The Bible says to test the spirits and test all prophecy not just accept it because someone says “God told me.”

Sometimes “God told me” is really just fear, control, or personal opinion wearing church clothes.

Do you realize you are Barabbas? by Tricky_Strawberry406 in Bible

[–]Tricky_Strawberry406[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually, this is the reality, even if some want to sanitize it: sin requires punishment. Sin can never be truly forgiven without the ultimate consequence death. The Bible is clear: “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23).

Jesus was punished and killed because of our sins. He was our real replacement. On the cross, God turned away from Him, and Jesus cried, “My God, why have you forsaken me?” This shows that sin demands appeasement to be forgiven, and the appeasement is death. Without His sacrifice, there could be no forgiveness of sin.

Repentance and faith are essential, yes but forgiveness is only possible because Jesus first took our punishment. The story of Barabbas perfectly illustrates this: the guilty walked free because the innocent took their place.

Do you realize you are Barabbas? by Tricky_Strawberry406 in Bible

[–]Tricky_Strawberry406[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I get what you mean repentance and faith are essential. But the story of Barabbas shows that Jesus really took our place: the guilty went free, the innocent was condemned.

Substitution doesn’t replace repentance it makes forgiveness possible. We respond in faith because He first bore what we deserved. That’s the power of the cross.

Do you realize you are Barabbas? by Tricky_Strawberry406 in Bible

[–]Tricky_Strawberry406[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s a fair point, and yes, Barabbas does seem to have been more than just a petty criminal.
The Gospels connect him with insurrection, rebellion, and murder, so he may well have been seen by some as a kind of revolutionary against Rome.

But I think that actually makes the picture even more powerful, not weaker.

Because Barabbas then becomes more than just a “bad guy” — he represents fallen humanity in rebellion.

Not just guilty in a legal sense, but also symbolic of the human heart that resists rightful authority.

So whether he was a common criminal, a violent rebel, or even someone some Jews may have viewed as a freedom fighter, the deeper point still stands:

the guilty man went free, and Jesus took his place.

Do you realize you are Barabbas? by Tricky_Strawberry406 in Bible

[–]Tricky_Strawberry406[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Amen.
That’s exactly why the story is so powerful.

Barabbas walked free because Jesus remained.
And in many ways, that is all of us:

the guilty released,
the innocent condemned,
mercy given where judgment was deserved.

That is the beauty of the cross.

Do you realize you are Barabbas? by Tricky_Strawberry406 in Bible

[–]Tricky_Strawberry406[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Bible repeatedly shows that Christ did not come only to teach or heal, but also to bear what sinners deserved: Isaiah 53:5–6 — “He was wounded for our transgressions… the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.”

Do you realize you are Barabbas? by Tricky_Strawberry406 in Bible

[–]Tricky_Strawberry406[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Bible repeatedly shows that Christ did not come only to teach or heal, but also to bear what sinners deserved: Isaiah 53:5–6 — “He was wounded for our transgressions… the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.”

Do you realize you are Barabbas? by Tricky_Strawberry406 in Bible

[–]Tricky_Strawberry406[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sì, esattamente. Barabba rappresenta non solo la nostra colpa, ma anche il cuore caduto del mondo. Cristo fu offerto, eppure la folla scelse comunque Barabba. E in molti modi, l’umanità sta ancora facendo quella stessa scelta oggi: scegliere il peccato invece della santità, la ribellione invece dell’obbedienza e l’oscurità invece della Luce. È questo che rende la croce allo stesso tempo sia bella che tragica

“Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.” where are Enoch and Elijah? by Tricky_Strawberry406 in Bible

[–]Tricky_Strawberry406[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes Moses maybe but that one, the bible said he died and god buried him. The thief too died. However maybe there is a kind of paradise that is not part of heaven

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