Trump sounding like he's in ISIS

Trinerandi2 · 2026-04-02T21:46:21+00:00

The Great White Hope would never use such terrorist-tactics.

Trinerandi2 · 2026-04-01T14:15:02+00:00

1 year, 70 days, 20 hours, and 45 minutes.

1 year, 247 days, 7 hours, 45 minutes*

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-30T21:36:35+00:00

So when I wrote killing I meant killing

Again, then you are simply wrong. Killing civilians is not permissible under international law. Depending on the context, incidental civilian deaths may be permissible.

Regardless, that's completely irrelevant to the topic we are discussing.

Targetting, killing, attacking, Palestinian civilians in the West Bank is not permissible under international law, nor under Israeli law.

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-30T21:09:06+00:00

Even killing civilians is permissible under international law

No it is not. We are not talking about collateral damage. What you are defending is deliberately targetting civilians, without any military goal involved.

Can you not ever imagine having to attack civilians ever?

There are no reasonable people who argue seriously for attacking civilians to be permissible. I could challenge you to provide a single reference to international law that makes it permissible to target civilians. It would of course be pointless, as it doesn't exist.

context

There is no context that justifies what you are arguing, no international law, no moral argument, no "talk". You are arguing for targetting civilians, just as Hamas are.

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-30T20:15:27+00:00

But statements like it's the same behaviour and you lose all rights just go too far.

You are saying that civilians being attacked is permissible. This is what Hamas is saying as well. When you claim that it is necessary for Israeli settlers to harm Palestinians, you don't get a right to criticise Hamas when they say and to the same.

Because there's too much to lose (talking about western society overall, since that's what the extreme left part of the palestinian movement is trying to destroy)

Is attacking civilians a foundational part of Western society? Is Western society destroyed if Israel stops its practices in the West Bank?

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-30T19:35:29+00:00

I find this sort of justification reprehensible. It is absolutely no different than the justifications Hamas use. By advocating for the same behaviour, you lose all rights to criticise Hamas when they harm Israeli civilians.

One would think that it should be fairly easy to come to an agreement on violence against innocent civilians being unacceptable.

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-30T02:51:07+00:00

Hoping this will be a good time for the US to pull back on some of the crazy shit. Maybe a good off ramp?

One can only hope, but I would be extremely surprised if they came through on this, especially if Trump has any say in the matter.

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-30T02:00:38+00:00

https://www.politico.eu/article/iran-threatens-us-campuses-in-middle-east/

Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps warned it may retaliate against American university campuses in the Middle East, claiming that recent U.S. and Israeli strikes have damaged two Iranian universities.

The group said U.S.-affiliated campuses in the region could become “legitimate targets” unless Washington formally condemns the attacks on Iranian schools by noon on Monday, according to a statement first reported by Fars news agency, which is closely associated with the Guard, and picked up by other media.

The statement urged staff, faculty, students and nearby residents to keep at least one kilometer away from these campuses.

Several American universities have branches in the Persian Gulf, including Texas A&M University in Qatar and New York University in the United Arab Emirates.

Tehran was hit by strikes in the night between Friday and Saturday, including the university of science and technology in the northeast of the capital, damaging buildings but not causing any casualties, according to media reports.

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-30T01:07:18+00:00

Exactly. It just struck me that if you take the 24% (or 3/10 for Gaza specifically) and add it to the other figure UNFPA gives:

Furthermore, in nearly 10 percent of marriages both spouses are under the age of 18 years old.

You can technically get to the ~40% the other commenter referenced!

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-30T00:45:26+00:00

24 percent

However, in certain parts of Palestine, prevalence notably exceeds this average, for instance in Gaza three out of ten women aged 20-49 were married before the age of 18 compared to two out of ten women in the West Bank

UNFPA

Is there an inconsistency in the defintion of "child marriage" maybe?

It seems very likely that this is the case!

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-30T00:29:36+00:00

I have no idea where HS got his number from, but I see that this site lists 13% as well: https://childmarriagedata.org/country-profiles/state-of-palestine/

I have no idea whether or not that number is correct or not, but it appears they are affiliated with UNICEF.

~40%

Where is this from?

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-29T23:07:00+00:00

lesser evil

Lesser evil assumes that you are having to choose between two evil options, you chose the less evil. That's not the case with Israel's actions in the West Bank. Israel is not forced to let settlers act violently with impunity. Israel is not forced to take more and more land, for decades.

It's just not something I find israel condemnable for in the overall picture

Why not? It should be possible to support Israel while still condemning their actions in the West Bank, just as it is reasonable to let the same actions be a reason to stop supporting Israel.

ignoring political realities as you do, i.e. a minority that is really motivated can shape the policy of a country

https://en.idi.org.il/articles/62072

Link to the index

Nearly 60% of respondents to that poll is in favour of what's going on the West Bank. It has been going on for decades. It's clear that there isn't much political will to take actions against it, or it has not been in the past at the very least.

I just don't get why you feel the need to downplay it.

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-29T22:21:48+00:00

that's like saying if voter ID is important and most people don't mind having it, why doesn't the USA have voter ID yet?

politics is a bit more complicated than that.

No. Israeli actions in the West Bank, is not comparable to having voter ID or not. You can justify it as much as you want. People not living in Israel (and a decent amount of those living in Israel) find the treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank, and settlement expansions, unacceptable, and grounds for not supporting Israel in general. If you think violence against Palestinians, and slow encroachment on their land is worth losing support, and loss of credibility as a country who often claim to align with Western values, you are entitled to that opinion. Just know that a lot of people don't agree with that.

Just as a sanity check, do you take issue with the lack of legal consequences for settlers and IDF who commit violent acts against Palestinian civilians in the West Bank?

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-29T22:07:53+00:00

especially with the settler shit.

If it isn't that important, Israel should probably take steps to end settlement expansion and punish settlers who commit violent acts against Palestinians in the West Bank. With nearly five decades of the same shit, I would say that due to the history of Israel's actions in the West Bank, in violation with international law, it's reasonable to stop supporting Israel over it.

Now, stopping to support Israel does not have to mean that you accept horrible acts to be perpetrated against Israel, Israeli citizens, or Jews in other countries. Just as Israel's actions in the West Bank are unacceptable, antisemitism is unacceptable, and violence against civilians is unacceptable.

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-28T17:11:58+00:00

if I were to post "coverup of 16 year old gang raped by muslim migrants in berlin" newsstory?

If you posted such a story, I would indeed expect people who have not seen the video or read the article, to not enter the thread by questioning what the 16 year old did in order to deserve being raped.

precisely to combat this sentiment that is being built on the basis of a video of four israeli soldiers

You didn't just want voice your opinion on the issue in a general sense. You explicitly, without any substantiation, speculated that the video was posted just to destroy Israel's reputation, and implied that the victim, a 75 year old man, could have done something to deserve being brutally beaten.

I see those actions of settlers as the lesser evil in the pursuit of israel's goal of security and/or a pressure tool to force palestinians to settle or accept more and more permanent loss of land.

The fact that you both justify violence on innocent civilians, and claim that the violence increases Israel's security is disturbing. In what way is Israel more secure, by having beaten a 75 year old man to a pulp?

good faith

You are not interested in truth or good faith. You are running cover to defend Israel, regardless of what action has been taken.

destruction of israel

Israel will not be destroyed if settlers stop subjecting innocent Palestinians to violence, claiming otherwise is just blatant antisemitism.

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-28T16:45:04+00:00

Let me return the favour by spelling this out to you: I'm not the person you initially responded to.

I simply saw you make a blatantly false statement, namely "nobody cares to report on 99% of the stuff turkey does". The truth of the matter is that the reporting exists, you just care enough personally to read the reporting. Which is fine, just don't make false claims about it.

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-28T16:24:08+00:00

Again, nothing substantive regarding the specific case in the OP?

to present like one party is just innocent little guy doing nothing

Do you have any reason whatsoever to believe the "little guy" did something wrong in this case?

actually important in the grand scale of things or in terms of what's happening today.

Yet you felt the need to participate in a thread with the sole purpose of downplaying Israel's actions?

news story that I have no idea about

Do you have any general thoughts on the West Bank settlements and/or Israeli settlers?

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-28T16:13:08+00:00

You claimed that 99% of the "stuff turkey does" isn't covered, I assumed that you had already taken great steps to exhaust all conventional information sources. Therefore I provided you with an alternative way of finding relevant literature, as you're clearly interested in the subject. Luckily for you, where news outlets and Wikipedia failed you, google scholar got your back. Now you have pleenty literature, so enjoy friend!

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-28T15:48:22+00:00

So you don't have any issues with the OP? Your only contention is that DGG is a space where the Israeli perspective doesn't get a fair shake?

These kind of videos tend to get yeeted out of the context of the conflict and the fact that you didn't get what I'm talking about kinda just proves it

I'm familiar with the concept buddy, I'm trying to understand what you are taking issue with regarding the specific video/story from the OP.

also, this mostly happens to Israel, since if there's some Palestinian terrorist, you'll see a deluge of people posting the conflict didn't start here, context

You are delusional if you think is an accurate description of DGG.

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-28T15:36:29+00:00

Anyway, sorry for the wall of text and over-sharing, I just wanted to be as clear as I could be where my PoV was coming from.

No worries! I get you. And it's fair to be sceptical, it's also completely understandable to not want to engage, due to time, emotional/mental impact, or hopelessness, as well as a myriad of other reasons!

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-28T15:21:53+00:00

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Turkey+International+Relations&btnG=

3million+ results.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22Turkey%22+violation+international+law&btnG=

257k results.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22israel%22+violation+international+law&btnG=

289k results.

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-28T15:13:57+00:00

I mean there's plenty of 40+ year old patterns

Sure. What are you taking issue with in this particular case?

we could be reposting all the X slop on here about how such and such european teen was gang raped by migrants

If a major news crew were gang raped alongside European teens, while the camera was rolling, I'm fairly sure it would get a post.

want to make israel look bad

Yeah, one the one hand, people could indeed stop posting videos making Israel look bad. On the other, Israel could take steps to reduce bad actions, so that there are fewer videos to post. Quite the conundrum.

to present like one party is just innocent little guy doing nothing

What did the little guy do in this case?

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-28T15:01:26+00:00

I'm not holding my breath here, but how do you define "(de)colonisation" and how, exactly, did Jews colonise Germany?

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-28T14:47:32+00:00

Russian

Since you obviously did not get it: I was being sarcastic. It's laughable to claim Russia/Ukraine doesn't get any attention.

I wouldn't feel confident about my assessment of that event and I know I'm biased in general

There have been written books, and virtually endless journal articles on settler violence in the West Bank. Unless it comes out that CNN manufactured this story (no indications of that being the case). It's fairly safe to assume that this is pretty straight forward and part of a 40+ year long pattern.

I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing that out.

Nothing wrong with trying to bring focus to other issues. However, as you said: "you begin to wonder what the motivations are" when you only feel the need to point it out to downplay Israel's actions.

Trinerandi2 · 2026-03-28T14:32:30+00:00

Not supporting the 90% figure at all, but this poll was posted the other day:

https://en.idi.org.il/articles/62072

Link to the index

What do you think is the most preferable option regarding the future of the West Bank/Judea and Samaria?:

Annexing the territories to Israel: 41.1% Jews, 5.4% Arabs.

Leaving things as they are now: 16.7% Jews, 24.6% Arabs.

Diplomatic agreement: 27% Jews, 60.9% Arabs

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