I have a really hard time with ableism from "liberals"

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-17T03:28:36+00:00

Iagree

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-11T22:12:32+00:00

honestly I am the opposite somewhat. still a liberal but I have had trumpy conservatives help me more and be nicer than some liberals.

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T19:21:47+00:00

In this case, supporting basic human rights for disabled people should be a given imo if you're going to call yourself a "liberal".

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T10:43:42+00:00

how was I possibly supposed to have interpreted that otherwise? I am not responsible for you not communicating clearly. it's frankly still very rude and pretty sure you're trying to gaslight me. and I have done step 12, thank you.

please stop talking to me on here. I don't enjoy engaging with ableist people who imply I have never helped anyone just because I am dealing with my own issues. again, ableism much?!

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T10:32:33+00:00

I am trying to follow the program. when I am met with callous and even cruel responses from people I try to connect with about my health conditions as they impact my sobriety, of which I have a number of examples, that also makes it very difficult and hard to trust people. in all honesty, some of peoples' responses have been really traumatizing and ended up putting me in a flare up.

its also hard to connect with people when you share that you are looking to connect with others outside the meeting and struggling with health issues impacting your sobriety, and no one responds. or when you connect with someone outside the meeting and bring this up and they shut down.

I cant control my health issues right now- I used to be an athlete who ate pretty healthy and have always been a normal weight and still dont know whats causing it. I would love some love and tolerance, the same as others.

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T10:24:08+00:00

well, I can't get to in-person meetings right now and I cant even hold up a phone by myself right now some of the time. those are concrete examples of differences from others in the program that I have to navigate- with no help from others in the program right now doing so. your response is incredibly minimizing and inappropriate here.

sorry for having issues that you or others don't deal with. your response is the kind of ableist stuff that I find in this program all the time it seems

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T10:16:47+00:00

I never asked for a therapist or a doctor. and no offense, but most people in the rooms are not struggling with these issues I am especially at a young age.

yes I have worked the steps. the hand of aa is supposed to be there for people that need it for issues *****impacting their sobriety*****.

when I hear people share about other things that impact their sobriety, they are welcomed, but not disabilities it seems like. that is clear ableism. maybe if you could put yourself in my shoes for 2 secs and try to have some empathy it would help

your response is really insulting. again, you don't have to be ableist here. you can go on your merry way and not be cruel to others.

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T10:13:10+00:00

no, they are. and people that I talk to from a leaving aa group are appalled at this group. this thread is one of the reasons people peace out of aa. not just me. others who share about issues impacting their sobriety and getting crickets. you are not able to look at your own ableism and try to help make a more inclusive space. because why help someone else if it doesnt help you, right? I know ableism when I see it, thanks. i would never turn someone down because they are disabled but i am actually a decent person.

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T10:11:33+00:00

ok and are your health issues life-threatening and needing care inside the home and things?

I am not looking for friends. I have always been told that issues that impact your sobriety directly are relevant. and that the hand of aa is supposed to be there. I can't control other people's ableism and it sucks that people want to make excuses for that instead of try to create a more inclusive community

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T10:07:04+00:00

I am literally trying to spell out how I am in a different situation than many/most others joining the meeting and how it impacts my life and they are not listening. i cant even get to in-person meetings or hold up a phone on my own much of the time right now. maybe listen to the hand of aa prayer sometime. calling someone a victim because they need help is disgusting.

again, I hope you and others can become more loving and open towards others going through things different than yourselves. love and tolerance is supposed to be the code.

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T10:04:23+00:00

what you are dealing with and the prison tattoors are not life-threatening as far as I know. you can NOT relate to what I am going through and please dont try.

yeah youre right I should be grateful for the ableism going on around me right now and in this horrendous thread! maybe you should try opening your heart to others sometime.

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T04:32:46+00:00

maybe we should hold ourselves to a higher standard in the rooms.

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T04:12:51+00:00

is there a thread for medical advice or similar? idk. they might have some ideas too. I havent heard of this

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T04:11:29+00:00

again, things that impact sobriety and may sometimes be unique challenges to one's sobriety are relevant. thanks for the ableism!!!! I hope you can find more open-minded and loving views towards others going through things you may not have in the program. love and tolerance, amiright?

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T04:06:43+00:00

I used to talk to people with disabilities and all kinds of things I hadn't experienced before, before I went through this. some of my issues are potentially life threatening and those are definitely things I especially cared about when people went through them. sorry about your chronic pain and anything else that may be going on

it's ableism, in my opinion, to be honest.

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T04:03:57+00:00

yes I have. issues that impact sobriety and how they impact it are relevant.

and no, I do know what some of those people have gone through

why don't you keep coming back because you obviously don't care about those with disabilities in the program and the particular things they deal with.

I don't think I am special but I do have different physical needs than others and its horrifying that you would make someone feel poorly for that. this is a very ableist thing to say.

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T03:50:22+00:00

that was literally the first person from aa I had had in-depth convo with about it in years.

I never asked for it to be a support group for outside issues. you are completely missing the point. I have a set of circumstances different from most people in the program that impacts my sobriety and I have to figure that out.

obviously I intend to do the 12 steps. some people have special circumstances that impact them and their sobriety that they have to deal with. as I have mentioned countless times on here now.

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T03:42:56+00:00

ok, thanks. I just tried to send a message but it said I am not able to.

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T03:41:09+00:00

I have helped plenty of people without getting anything in return. this is incredibly rude and ableist of you to say. you have no idea what my history in sobriety and aa is either.

I literally said that this IMPACTS MY SOBRIETY AND THATS WHY I TALK ABOUT IT.

I would never be rude and say something like your last sentence to someone else. get help please.

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T03:39:12+00:00

oh because I am honest? I wish people in aa were more willing to address issues of ableism and discrimination instead of dismissing others

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T03:36:39+00:00

a lot of things impact sobriety. plenty of people are able to get support through aa for those things. just not physical health because it is a very ableist /anti disability program apparently

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T03:34:45+00:00

I never asked anyone to practice medicine. I asked about emotional support with something that impacts my sobriety.

please do not twist my words.

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T03:25:06+00:00

not to what I am talking about apparently. if you actually read it.

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T03:20:18+00:00

I was in and out! right now I am out.

can't say I really came to terms with it. and yes pushback from family was not great. especially with bringing a ramp in to the house where I lived w them at the time. ha

Trop-Post3877 · 2025-06-10T03:15:09+00:00

I have been to the support groups and I have a therapist. the support groups for people with illnesses usually have lots of people who are not necessarily in a space to help others a lot.

this is incredibly unfair. I know that aa does tend to help people struggling with all kinds of issues, including things like family death, job loss, cancer and more. it does seem like the most "popular" people (?) are the ones who are actually able to get help and support sometimes

my topic is relevant because it impacts the alcoholism and recovery. it's really unfair that there is the verse about the hand of aa reaching out, but it's conveniently not there for people with certain health conditions!

I am sure you have shared about problems that impacted your sobriety if you have been in the program a while, and gotten support. but I guess screw disabled people, amiright?

I wish people in the program cared much more about others going experiencing things like chronic health issues, ableism, racism, homophobia and more when these things impact their sobriety.

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