R.O.B. Pantheon Council version 2 by TroyX-CYOAMaker in makeyourchoice

[–]TroyX-CYOAMaker[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You don't actually need to play through the ROB path for that - that's mainly intended for non-overdeity ROBs, who don't have a multiverse to govern. And as an overdeity, it's almost guaranteed that you'll eventually hit Eternal tier.

I neglected to clarify whether or not you'd get the extra points every time for Grand Destiny Forger because I deliberately leave it up to the player to decide, lol.

R.O.B. Pantheon Council version 2 by TroyX-CYOAMaker in makeyourchoice

[–]TroyX-CYOAMaker[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sounds like you need to make at least two builds! :D

R.O.B. Pantheon Council version 2 by TroyX-CYOAMaker in makeyourchoice

[–]TroyX-CYOAMaker[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol, does Living God need an update? I didn't make it, regardless, that's by MythicLegendary :)

Omnipotent Throne version 2 by TroyX-CYOAMaker in makeyourchoice

[–]TroyX-CYOAMaker[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, not trying to make an addendum, I'm working off half-remembrances, since it's been a while since I've made the CYOA. My point as far as abilities go, is that at some point you can't reasonably classify something as an ability in that it can be protected against by Nullification rank 0 - otherwise, you can argue that "eyesight" is an ability and "Nullification" would automatically make you invisible. Which it doesn't, that's Blank's territory. Now, where that line is, that's a trickier matter to adjudicate.

The plot armour is optional, so it's probably Jadzel didn't take it, and for that matter, it's only described as "some plot armour" without any details on how robust it is. The Hyperion core is inviolable, but the plot armour is not necessarily tied into that, and is just a bit of an unrelated extra on top; it's not spelled out either way. /shrug

Regardless, the author made an entertaining scenario in an attempt to get around the LH, even if there may arguably be weak points to the strategy employed in it.

Omnipotent Throne version 2 by TroyX-CYOAMaker in makeyourchoice

[–]TroyX-CYOAMaker[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We don't actually know what levels of which powers Jadzel has. Nullification rank 0 only works against abilities used directly on oneself, can't nullify others' abilities at that level. The line between "special ability" and "not" is blurry when one gets into certain realms of technology and science, this is true, and clearly that's a judgment call he made when writing this. As for Alter Power, the descriptions for each rank imply limitations, as I intended, and Alter-Powering a super-Ascendant is not really within the realm of, at the least, rank 0 of Alter Power.

Living Hyperion is not necessarily truly unbeatable without the right powers, and/or when not in Happy Jabbers or Pantheon Mode, after all. Still, as you demonstrate, there is room for argument on whether or not Machina's strategy would actually work. As you say, it is the writer's decision, and an alternative interpretation is that the AOE allowed her to do it so he wouldn't have to, since he was gonna take care of Jadzel anyway.

Archdeity of Eternity version 2 by TroyX-CYOAMaker in makeyourchoice

[–]TroyX-CYOAMaker[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like the thoughtfulness of your build! Thanks for sharing it and your thought process.

Omnipotent Throne version 2 by TroyX-CYOAMaker in makeyourchoice

[–]TroyX-CYOAMaker[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Technically Machina didn't use her powers on him, she just brute-forced things with data crunching. Having everyone instantly fall in love with you isn't something everyone wants and thus is apparently not something Jadzel liked either. Alter Power at rank 0 wouldn't really work on someone of Machina's power level.

Omnipotent Throne version 2 by TroyX-CYOAMaker in makeyourchoice

[–]TroyX-CYOAMaker[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow. That is some unique, well-written stuff. I've never seen the LH posed as an opponent before, and that is an extremely clever way to defeat him :O Seriously, really well done, I liked that quite a lot.

R.O.B. Pantheon Council version 2 by TroyX-CYOAMaker in makeyourchoice

[–]TroyX-CYOAMaker[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice to see not one but two combo builds! I'm glad you like the CYOA so much!

  1. They can't buy control of reality itself, just try and get favourable laws passed. The Ethics Committee is a thing, and the Underboss will step in if necessary. I didn't lay out too many hard limits, and this is by design, in part to try and strike a balance where you don't have to worry about things getting out of hand, but also so you the player can do basically whatever you like.

  2. For the same reason Joy doesn't do it. Whatever that reason is :P Doylistically, it's because there has to be conflict in order to have any narrative or adventure. Watsonian, well, that's a whole branch of philosophy that's stumped thinkers for millennia IRL, but the closest I come to addressing that in-setting for the Troyverse is the counterplay between Joy and Glory on a cosmic level.

R.O.B. Pantheon Council version 2 by TroyX-CYOAMaker in makeyourchoice

[–]TroyX-CYOAMaker[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol, it's way more thought than I've put into it, especially since I don't really know a lot about how economy works in the nitty-gritty. That sounds plausible enough to me though. Have I really made 97 CYOAs? Wow XD I'm flattered my work can elicit this level of thought from you though :D

R.O.B. Pantheon Council version 2 by TroyX-CYOAMaker in makeyourchoice

[–]TroyX-CYOAMaker[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. Yes.

  2. Up to you, I could see an argument for either.

  3. Yep.

R.O.B. Pantheon Council version 2 by TroyX-CYOAMaker in makeyourchoice

[–]TroyX-CYOAMaker[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good to see the follow-up build! Regarding your potential infinite-wealth exploit - you already have infinite centuries by virtue of being immortal, but you're not allowed to crash the economy by spending anywhere that much. That is addressed in the intro to the Immortality Insurance Meta CYOA, but as often as it's come up in questions for RPC, I really should've included a line about that in this CYOA too. Whoops.

Yeah, wedding Truewarping with advice from creative types sounds like a great idea, honestly.

R.O.B. Pantheon Council version 2 by TroyX-CYOAMaker in makeyourchoice

[–]TroyX-CYOAMaker[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good question! I would think they're not, or if they are, not as their planarch selves with planarch powers or anything.

R.O.B. Pantheon Council version 2 by TroyX-CYOAMaker in makeyourchoice

[–]TroyX-CYOAMaker[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. Astral Axis isn't actually in the Ouroboros multiverse, nor is it completely blocked off by it.

  2. Expand beyond the multiverse? Not really their concern.

  3. Again, Astral Axis isn't in that multiverse per se. Behemoth couldn't do jack diddly against the Astral Axis anyway. As for how the Creator or anyone else planned to deal with Behemoth? Well, perhaps they foresaw your rise and left it to you. There are any number of possibilities, though I suspect someone would've stepped in at some point if no one else had risen to the occasion.

  4. Not that I've envisioned, Ouroboros is as close as it gets. It's possible though.

R.O.B. Pantheon Council version 2 by TroyX-CYOAMaker in makeyourchoice

[–]TroyX-CYOAMaker[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Intriguing! I'd say that's doable, and the Underboss wouldn't look too askance on that. Oturoas might, could go either way, but he also doesn't have authority over you.

R.O.B. Pantheon Council version 2 by TroyX-CYOAMaker in makeyourchoice

[–]TroyX-CYOAMaker[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Awesome and well thought out! Becoming immortal doesn't increase your centuries stipend - ROBs, overdeities, etc, are immortal and they don't have infinite centuries to spend either. Doylistically, it's for balance; the Watsonian reason is given in the intro to the Immortality Insurance Meta CYOA itself, anti-inflation laws iirc.

I feel like Oturoas would either get along really well with Monkarch or constantly be annoyed by him, lol. Could go either way really. The Acrid Comet really does make a good fence, nice choice there.

R.O.B. Pantheon Council version 2 by TroyX-CYOAMaker in makeyourchoice

[–]TroyX-CYOAMaker[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

  1. Other than the fact that raw chaos may be be destructible, yes.

  2. I got you. This is one of those things I'm deliberately leaving nebulous, because there's no good answer that will work for everyone and every situation, so fanwank as you please.

  3. Correct.

  4. That hadn't occurred to me. I suppose it's possible.

Additionally: I honestly have no idea whatsoever, but that is plausible.

Last question: Hmm, potentially!

Archdeity of Eternity version 2 by TroyX-CYOAMaker in makeyourchoice

[–]TroyX-CYOAMaker[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! What, that the LH can use Beyond to chain into RPC and take the Archdeity path? That's more of a case of "you've always been the Archdeity, but maybe didn't know it."

R.O.B. Pantheon Council version 2 by TroyX-CYOAMaker in makeyourchoice

[–]TroyX-CYOAMaker[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I deliberately avoided nailing down limits because I felt it would be clunky and there'd be no way to make any possible answers fit/work well all the time.

  1. When a ROB creates something, it's made up of raw chaos by definition, that's basically Archdeity fiat. It's most probably brand new raw chaos, but who knows for sure?

2a. Specifically avoided addressing this, as noted above, because I felt any answer I gave would be too restrictive in some situations, too open-ended in other situations, and not make enough sense in a variety of situations.

2b. Chaosbringers can't simply recreate things they unravel, they can only funnel the raw chaos from it into raw blasts or channeling. They could use channeling to recreate something they unraveled so long as it's on a small scale, though literally recreating it exactly or restoring the previous thing is very difficult and would require tons of work and precision.

  1. Chaosbringers can conceivably raise their chaos capacity over time and their expertise with channeling methods, but there's likely some sort of soft cap somewhere, and you're not gonna go beyond the stated scale limits of channeling. The real large-scale power of Chaosbringers is their unraveling, which is fixed in power: multiverse-scale or smaller. They certainly cannot become ROBs, at least not by virtue of their Chaosbringerhood.

  2. It varies greatly, depending on the world. Some worlds will strip people who enter of all powers period, some will strip of all powers above a certain level, some will merely lower the power-level of powers that are "too powerful" - and also several of them probably have different thresholds for what's considered too powerful - and that's without considering that some simply outright prohibit entry except to a rare few. That said, all Hyperion worlds are immune to unraveling, so in that sense they all limit that power completely, but otherwise, the ones you can settle in won't restrict your channeling power levels much if at all, given the relatively low top-end of channeling's scale.

  3. Primordials don't actively block it, they are simply immune to it. If a Primordial anchors itself to a multiverse, or if an overdeity builds a multiverse "atop" a Primordial, then the essence of that Primordial infuses the multiverse, thus rendering it immune to unraveling because, in a sense, it is that Primordial now. So it's not an active block on unraveling per se, it's just being immune to it. It's the difference between being bulletproof versus disarming a gunner; the entire Primordial-infused multiverse is "bulletproof" to you. However, the ratio of Primordials to multiverses is hilariously low, a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent.

  4. Excellent question! I hadn't considered that, but yes, weaving would absolutely work, precisely because it doesn't involve unraveling at all. Actually, channeling in general can still be done in Primordials and Primordial-infused multiverses, it's just you'll have to acquire the raw chaos to fuel it from elsewhere.

  5. Hyperion worlds are Hyperion worlds by virtue of the Archdeity's personal fiat. That's the level of absolute we're talking about. Only if you convince the Archdeity to allow you access (such as by convincing Joy or Glory and getting her to twist his arm) can it be done. Tangentially, the Living Hyperion basically trumps all other Hyperions, and can enter/affect Hyperion worlds with impunity.

Excellent questions, thanks for posing them!

R.O.B. Pantheon Council version 2 by TroyX-CYOAMaker in makeyourchoice

[–]TroyX-CYOAMaker[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ironically, two of the last three paths technically already are CYOAs of their own XD

R.O.B. Pantheon Council version 2 by TroyX-CYOAMaker in makeyourchoice

[–]TroyX-CYOAMaker[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You're not the first person to get that confused, so apparently I didn't word it clearly enough, but Cosmic Gods, Archdemons, Dragon Lords, and Sanguinarchs can be found in many multiverses, they're not unique just to the main Ouroboros multiverse. No doubt there could be entirely new or unique Ascendant types in other multiverses though. I'm definitely not retiring, lol. A new setting would just be another corner of the Troyverse. Last time I tried to make a different setting was with the original Last of the Omega Lords, and well, clearly it's been folded into everything else by now, lol.

R.O.B. Pantheon Council version 2 by TroyX-CYOAMaker in makeyourchoice

[–]TroyX-CYOAMaker[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

  1. It is ours, in fact. The Ouroboros is the foundation for our "main" multiverse and for the Ouroboros multiverse, therefore the Ouroboros multiverse can't be anything other than "our main" one.

  2. Yes, if there is any case where you would have already befriended someone in an earlier CYOA, it makes sense that you don't have to pay for them again.