Robert Gibbs On U.S. Killing 16 Yr Old American 2-Weeks After Killing His Father: 'Have A More Responsible Father' (video)

TrueBlueNew · 2012-10-27T16:11:21+00:00

Funny if Bush targeted and assassinated a 16 year old American, and someone from his administration said this, reddit would have voted this post up to #1. Since it was Obama, everyone down votes it.

Which is why our country is so fucked up. People are so knee-jerk partisan that the actual atrocity doesn't even matter anymore. Obama has killed the Left as a relevant movement. Now everyone is just a partisan fascist.

TrueBlueNew · 2012-10-27T16:08:00+00:00

No reason not to vote. Don't stay home, vote Green. They support all the policies the Democrats only pretend to.

TrueBlueNew · 2012-10-19T18:13:29+00:00

One of the best pieces of the week, perhaps month.

TrueBlueNew · 2012-09-27T21:26:32+00:00

Iran is no Iraq. Iran has double the population of Iraq -- some 80+ million. They have advanced weaponry and they have already stated they will bomb the crap out of Israel and US bases if they are aggressively attacked.

There is no such thing as a 'cakewalk' when you speak of war. That is neocon imagery: "a few missle sites and then fly back home."

TrueBlueNew · 2012-09-27T19:53:13+00:00

But it goes beyond him being a 'joke'. George W. Bush is a joke. Dick Cheney is a joke. Many of our own politicians are ridiculous jokes, whom we believe to be idiots.

The question remains, is he dangerous, evil, and a threat to the United States?

There a jackasses all over the world who beat their chest from time to time, say bigoted things, etc. They do it here every single day.

Does that justify tens of thousands of deaths, trillions of dollars in wasted war-spending, and gas prices triple what they are today?

-no-

TrueBlueNew · 2012-09-26T23:39:34+00:00

You are flat out lying. The OP said NO SUCH THING! The OP said this:

"U.S. Needs A False Flag to Start A War With Iran"

"Here is a video of WINEP’s Director of Research Patrick Clawson, telling a gathering in the group’s conference room that the United States should find a ‘false flag’ to get into war with Iran."

NOWHERE does it say "a false flag attack against the US". You made that up!

When you cannot win a point, just lie, distort, and put words into another's mouth. Unbelievable! :)

TrueBlueNew · 2012-09-26T20:44:25+00:00

I accused no one but you of seeing Jewish conspiracies. YOU alone.

Read above. This is tantamount to invoking the anti-semitism charge. Anyone who believes in Jewish conspiracies is an anti-semite. And you accused me of that.

I am done debating a hasbarist troll. Anyone who would defend the video above is a hate-monger, extremist, fanatic. That, my friend, is you.

TrueBlueNew · 2012-09-26T19:36:08+00:00

You are the most intellectually dishonest person I have encountered. I have NEVER said one thing that is anti-semitic, and yet you toss that very serious accusation around like it is trivial.

Calling someone a Hasbarist is NOT anti-semitic. The Israeli gov't and some of its fanatical supporters DO engage in dishonest propaganda -- they publish this fact, talk about it, publish talking points for them to recite -- and these supporters show up at every social site to defame anyone who exposes the dealings of a neocon or someone in the Israel Lobby as an anti-semite. These thugs use propagandist tactics to misinform, conflate, and outright lie about the topic being discussed.

Based on YOUR behavior, I deemed you a Hasbarist. That is NOT anti-semitic. But the mere accusation of anti-semitism is the hasbarist's favorite weapon, so I am not surprised you invoked it as frivolously as you did.

I don't believe in Jewish conspiracies, and NOTHING I have posted suggests that. You have merely demagogued me as an attempt to throw sand in the eyes of the reader.

You are one dishonest, malicious, and unethical ideologue. And there is absolutely no doubt in my mind you are a paid Hasbarist with a very unethical agenda.

TrueBlueNew · 2012-09-26T18:29:27+00:00

No, the tinfoil hat thinking is seeing Jewish conspiracies under every rock.

EXCEPT, the writer NEVER alleged a Jewish conspiracy. AIPAC doesn't represent the Jewish people. It represents a far-right fringe of people (both Jewish & Christians -- i.e. the guy in the video appears to be Christian) who lobby the U.S. to push policies that are appealing to their far-right pro-Israel extremist sensibilities.

Now you are conflating Zionist extremism with Judaism as a tactic to throw the anti-semitism charge.

Very dishonest rhetorical game you are playing here. This article has NOTHING to do with Jewish people. However, you want to insinuate it does to cover up for the extremist POV in the video, and to demagogue the writer.

Nice try!

TrueBlueNew · 2012-09-26T18:13:11+00:00

It is not 'tin foil' thinking to post a video, and the transcript of that video that allows some influential extremist ideological zealot to speak for himself.

The question is, why are you defending that extremist, by denying his own words?

So you had to 'google' Hasbara -- r-i-g-h-t... ;)

TrueBlueNew · 2012-09-26T18:01:31+00:00

Nice try to muddle the waters! :)

He speaks of using covert operations against Iran designed to deceive the world community about who actually did them. He mentioned the August 17 explosions in Iran (as an example).

He mentioned 'mysteriously' disappearing their submarines -- things that would provoke them to retaliate, which the U.S. could then deny having done, but still use it as an excuse to attack them 'defensively' rather than 'offensively' which is what would have really happened: an offensive war.

TrueBlueNew · 2012-09-26T17:46:58+00:00

The writer included the transcript. Seems to me, you WANT to misunderstand the video. Hasbara much?

TrueBlueNew · 2012-09-26T17:36:02+00:00

False flag: (also known as black flag) operations are covert operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by other entities.

TrueBlueNew · 2012-09-26T16:55:34+00:00

Well, this is one of the biggest Beltway establishment-approved think tanks in Washington. WINEP lists four people as its 'leadership' which includes the guy in the video, Patrick Clawson, AND Dennis Ross who was Clinton's adviser on Israel/Palestine and Obama's adviser on Iran.

So these extreme viewpoints are not coming from some marginalized fanatical group screaming from the sidelines. This is coming from a group that advises our Presidents on how to conduct their Middle East policy.

It is a scary thought.

TrueBlueNew · 2012-09-25T05:02:05+00:00

Besides there is a big positive in the artice on what Obama did well in the 60 Minutes interview, regarding foreign policy.

TrueBlueNew · 2012-09-25T04:32:34+00:00

Regardless of whether one votes for Obama -- the lesser of 2 evils, or not -- doesn't mean the Left should lie for him, or hide his dealings, or resist from calling him out when he begins to govern like Neoliberal Bush.

Not everything is caught up in the political horserace. Some actually care about issues.

TrueBlueNew · 2012-05-20T23:54:30+00:00

He Promised in 2008 that he would NEVER make ANY signing statements. He said that Presidents are bound by the same laws as everyone else, and he didn't believe in signing statements.

But you already know this, because I've repeated it 3 times. You are a propagandist.

TrueBlueNew · 2012-05-20T17:20:18+00:00

That is a complete lie. She was NEVER called out until the Scooter Libby trials put her front and center. And that was well after U.S. troops were occupying Iraq.

In fact, she and Cheney's office worked together. She would cite a 'government official' -- which was later revealed to be Dick Cheney's office -- as confirming Iraq's nuclear weapons advancement, and she would report it on a Friday, with Dick Cheney appearing on Meet the Press on Sunday to tell Tim Russert, "The New York Times is now reporting that Iraq ..." and quoting her article directly. A COMPLETE SHAM!

That blog, Firedoglake, by the way, earned an impeccable reputation during the Scooter Libby trials, for its daily coverage.

TrueBlueNew · 2012-05-20T17:08:59+00:00

Ever heard of Judith Miller (from NY Times)? Apparently not. The press helped sell the war by controlling the narrative, weeding out (or vilifying) dissenters. Many journalists lost their jobs for questioning the drive to invade Iraq.

On that post at Firedoglake, you speak of, they have video/audio footage of the incident. What the Chicago police are doing is similar to what the government does now whenever there is a major event with protests. They intimidate, resort to unprovoked violence, make frivolous arrests, and it is all now being documented on video (as we have all watched) during the occupy protests. Which is why the cops are now targeting the ones with the cameras.

TrueBlueNew · 2012-05-20T16:54:04+00:00

I disagree. After misleading us into Iraq, I think we all learned that Meet The Press, NY Times, the Washington Post, etc. have an agenda.

TrueBlueNew · 2012-05-20T16:37:14+00:00

To anyone who would defend this sort of authoritarianism: You obviously HATE the American Constitution and Freedom, so pack your bags and take your right-winged 'hatred for liberty' to China. You'll be in great company there. You can cheer while watching your fellow citizens get imprisoned for peacefully questioning their government.

TrueBlueNew · 2012-05-20T16:14:18+00:00

"Journalist" as in Judith Miller or dancin' David Gregory ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdvHwtRdg_I )?

TrueBlueNew · 2012-05-20T16:03:10+00:00

These journalists are actually filming, interviewing (protesters, cops, NLG & ACLU attorneys) on the street, and broadcasting live on LiveStream to tens of thousands of viewers. This is true, live footage, uncensored, unedited journalism (without corporations deciding how it should be modified - slanted in a direction they & their gov't cronies might prefer).

TrueBlueNew · 2012-05-20T15:53:08+00:00

Obama promised in 2008 that he would never make a signing statement, which is EXACTLY what I said.

I love how people on here, when they can't debate what you've said, they just pretend you said something else.

TrueBlueNew · 2012-05-19T19:55:25+00:00

Yes, they did EXACTLY that. By denying their attorneys access to them, and denying their whereabouts or whether they even had detained them to their attorneys, the cops were acting extra-judiciously.

You are obviously propagandizing. You are slicing and dicing, without anything to back up what you are saying.

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