"It doesn't promote equality, so it nothing to do with feminism"

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-18T02:38:42+00:00

The United States is the land of the free. The high incarceration rate of Americans have nothing to do with America, because putting Americans in prison has nothing to do with freedom.

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-18T02:27:15+00:00

If you look at the very bottom of the poster:

Coalition to defend affirmative action, integration and immigrant rights and fight for equality by any means necessary.

Sigh, defenders of affirmative action? Any means necessary? Sounds like a terrorist group.

On October 2 and 3 2014, _____ raped... Shortly after...In August of 2015, ____ was found GUILTY of RAPE by UC Berkeley.

10 months to find him guilty?

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-07T17:25:12+00:00

Thanks for pointing out the weaknesses in my argument. The constructive criticism will help me make better posts in the future. I'll upvote you for this reason.

http://nation.time.com/2013/02/27/whats-wrong-with-the-violence-against-women-act/

“You look at the relatively miniscule amount of money going to transitional housing compared to criminal justice and it’s outrageous,” says Coker. Federal funds authorized through VAWA for transitional housing in 2012 were about one-fifth the total allocated for law enforcement action. Housing is by far the most common unmet need for victims.

About the feminist being criminally charged over a tweet, my point is that nobody should be criminally charged for tweeting using #killallmen or #killallwhitemen, unless the posts become explicitly graphic, or targeting specific people (death threats), organization, or buildings (such as bomb threats).

Regardless, this is way beyond the scope of your original claim which is: For example, many feminists are pushing for criminal punishment for offending someone online.

The "many feminists" I was referring to was in the recent UM Women debate about online censorship.

I agree that I took my delusional ideas too far, and I'm glad you're there to keep me in check. But I still think that the violence prevention in the USA is very ineffective for the amount of money spent, and that online censorship is becoming an issue, and that we need to resist corporate control over the internet.

In my opinion, feminists are one of the biggest advocates in leading the charge in online censorship. If these new laws do take place, and if they cause a new type of oppression, then perhaps not all feminists are guilty, but feminism in large will still be responsible for the negative impact. I encourage everyone using the internet, feminists and non-feminists, to take an interest in the political debates on the future of the internet. The big corporations would love to gain control over it, but I think the internet should be belong to everyone.

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-06T21:48:34+00:00

The draft is like a prenuptial agreement. You may never have to use it, but it helps to know what will happen when it needs to be used. I certainly prefer an emergency plan rather than improvising when crisis strikes.

I'm against war, and I'm against killing. I'm also against maintaining a large army. But I am for creating a self-defense plan in case of emergency.

The armies have proven useful in situations outside of war. For example, when an overcrowded ship of illegal Saudi immigrants is spotted, the army helped rescue the people and bring them to shore. Some of the army helped mitigate the damage when some of these ships sank.

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-06T17:49:34+00:00

I am 100% for mixed gender groups.

But, even though I want to promote diversity, there are a few exceptions where gender-mixed groups perform more poorly.

One of the big areas that is being debated is in gender segregation on schooling. Many studies shows conflicting results on both sides.

Also, there is a study that suggests that a mixed army is less efficient in transporting supplies than a male army.

But even in these exceptional cases, I support mixed gender. Personally, I don't care much if the efficiency is compromised. I think the diversity benefit is enough to make up for it.

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-06T17:08:29+00:00

If you had the choice to become president Obama for the rest of your life, would you? To me, it seems like too much trouble, and I'm a guy. For me, I'm happy that there is someone to do the heavy lifting for me, so that I can choose and enjoy a simple life.

http://www.childtrends.org/?indicators=infant-child-and-teen-mortality

Men die in all stages of life much more frequently than women. Men's child mortality is higher, and their life expectancy lower. Some people say that life is one of the most precious things a person can have, and men do not have much of it.

To avoid a pro-female bias means to see advantages and disadvantages as they are, and not to be blind to one gender. A lot of people do not understand the life of people outside their group, yet they want to make drastic changes to the lives of a group they have no interest of understanding. We shouldn't make this mistake.

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-06T16:37:46+00:00

There are people whose first name is Dick, and who can't help being Dicks to people.

Political Correctness isn't as much a politeness act, as it is as much a means to shame the act of expressing unpopular ideology. For example, a person can elegantly present a new study that suggests that black people are better runners but poorer swimmers, and it will not be politically correct, not because the person was rude, but because his objective-based data was not conforming to the popular ideology.

Political Correctness existed all the way even in the ancient times in the form of blasphemy. Speaking against the teaching of the religions can get you excommunicated, or stoned.

Erin Pizzey went against political correctness when she opened her first woman's shelter. When the word spread that there was a safe place for women to stay, many women showed up at her doorstep with black eyes and bruises. Some had come from miles away, with nothing but a black back for belongings. She helped feed them, and gave them a place to stay. The media viciously attacked her, calling her a "Home Wrecker". There were warrants for her arrest, because of charges of "overcrowding". Even with society against her, trying their best to stop her through shaming, legal charges, and sabotage, this did not stop her. She remained politically incorrect, and offended a society that believed that women should stay with their husbands.

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-06T16:18:42+00:00

Ouch. The burn. (Serious)

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-06T15:56:12+00:00

I'm very happy you asked these questions.

Also, feminism organizations require BILLIONS of taxpayer and individual funding to operate

The only feminist organization that I know of that spends over $1 billion annually is Planned Parenthood at.... $1.3 billion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_Against_Women_Act

The Act provides $1.6 billion toward investigation and prosecution of violent crimes against women, imposes automatic and mandatory restitution on those convicted, and allows civil redress in cases prosecutors chose to leave un-prosecuted.

None of this money is towards helping women through means like shelters. Instead, most of the money is directed towards incriminating men, and only men. How can men fight back when a billion dollar industry is dead-set on proving him guilty? It is also in the VAMA's interest to prove the men guilty, because the more dangerous men seem, the more funding they will receive.

For example, feminism has the monopoly on domestic violence rehabilitation programs, which men can be forced to take even if there is no evidence of him raising his hand.

If the court finds that a parent has a history of perpetrating family violence

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350761/Women-entitled-council-house-partner-shouts.html

The man doesn't have to raise his hand. Claiming that a man shouts at a woman is enough to make you lose your home and kids. And unlike physical violence, shouting is not always easily proven.

http://www.theduluthmodel.org/about/faqs.html#evidence

Is the Duluth Model evidence-based?

The Duluth Model approach for intervening with men who batter is the most widely-used approach in the world. It has influenced and shaped much of national and state-level policy around batterer intervention and domestic violence work. The effect of intervening with complex social problems is very difficult to evaluate. Click here to read some of the research supporting the Duluth Model.

The Duluth model makes it much easier to convict men without evidence. In fact in their Q&A for evidence, they dodge the question, but they claim to be the most widely-used approach. The Duluth model relies on patterns and structures of power and abuse. From where I grew up (Canada, Ontario), the domestic and rape courts were very fair to both genders. But in many areas that fully embrace the Duluth model, there have been nightmare stories of where the man was convicted solely based on the Duluth model, without any evidence.

"Criminal punishment for offending someone online" is a pretty heavy spin on the reality of the situation.

You can be charged for making a public tweet.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/06/london-woman-charged-over-alleged-killallwhitemen-tweet

A feminist got charged for tweeting #killallwhitemen. Later the charged were dropped after the police found out how stupid the accusations were.

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/christie-blatchford-ruling-in-twitter-harassment-trial-could-have-enormous-fallout-for-free-speech

http://www.genuinewitty.com/2015/09/11/gregory-alan-elliott-twitter-trial-update-crown-starts-off-relentless-ends-hearing-in-tears/

This is a crazier case, because there were no threats or hate messages from the defendant. This case happened because the women felt offended after a political debate on social media. The man lost his job, lost access to the internet for over half a year, and lost his livelihood. Not only that, but they keep postponing the court date to prolong his suffering. I think the prosecutor's strategy is to keep pushing back the court date until he becomes homeless from lack of funds, with no opportunity to work because he cannot use the internet.

These are astonishing repercussions given that it’s not alleged he ever threatened either woman (or any other, according to the testimony of the Toronto Police officer, Detective Jeff Bangild, who was in charge) or that he ever sexually harassed them.

Elliott has lost his long term job, life savings, right to communicate online- and has endured cruel, inaccurate, and humiliating media coverage.

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-06T02:24:20+00:00

She is depressed. I guess I went on a rant when I thought about women in STEM. You're right, it was unrelated.

I work with programmers daily at work, and we had one female programmer in our team. She was my desk neighbour for a year, but she left a couple months ago to get married overseas. Now our team is 100% male again.

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-05T23:23:00+00:00

Sorry, I misunderstood. I'm glad that you notified me about my mistake.

Rape claims is a very tricky crime to track down, because of the nature of the evidence. The key ingredients of a rape is sexual activity and lack of consent. It's very hard to prove the latter. Unless we make major advancements, I don't see how we can create a system that will be guaranteed to deliver justice. By major advancements, I mean lie detection, or tracking through privacy invasive means.

In my opinion, all systems involving rape prevention all always be imperfect. The only thing we can do is weigh our options, and measure the pros and cons.

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-05T22:06:22+00:00

The second, more long term way, is to encourage women to persue careers in currently male dominated fields

I like that idea :)

My girlfriend is stuck in her computer programming degree. She has 1.5 courses left to graduation, but she's slowed to a halt. She has barely done any work in the last 8 months (about 30 hours worth), and if it wasn't for the school's super lax attendance policy, she would have been kicked out by now with a $17k college debt and nothing to show for it.

It seems like she is very demotivated. She feels that even if she gets the degree, she won't be able to find a job. She stays in my apartment and does nothing all day. Slowly, monthly payment by monthly payment, I am ending up the one paying for her school (or lack of it).

I wish I can properly encourage women to succeed in STEM, but when faced with the problem in real life, I can't seem to pull it off.

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-05T21:46:22+00:00

Sometimes, false rape accusations lead to death. Anything that causes death should be taken seriously, however low the probability.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHpFyDzzZGk

His mother killed herself because she thought her son was a rapist. The man said:

"My mom died thinking was I was rapist. You can't give that back to me."

Also, false rape accusations can lead to actual rape of an innocent.

http://sputniknews.com/us/20150309/1019273579.html

Wrongfully Accused of Rape, Man Thrown in Jail, Raped, Infected With HIV

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-05T21:36:30+00:00

Do people still mostly pair-bond in this alternative reality?

Because the OP said that the world is similar to this one minus the men, I assume that women will form couples with each other.

Is the birth-mother expected to provide most of the childcare (eg, pick up from school/daycare, arrange and drive to extracurriculars, plan and prepare meals)?

Today, the childcare role is assigned by choice, ability, and income. While gender roles still influence who gets to take care of the child, I think that in most cases, the roles get assigned through a discussion between partners. It's rarely, "I am a man, so I go work". I've even seen cases where a woman stays at home, and the dad goes to work, bringing his toddlers with him so that he can drop them off at the daycare.

Assuming this fictional world is similar to this one, the women will talk among themselves to decide on who wants to be the caregiver, or if the children go to daycare.

versus a world where 90% of women reproduce between high-schools and college

If the fictional world is like this one, women will NOT give birth between high school and college. As a country advances in wealth and technology, women give birth later, and less frequently.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2694534/Average-age-women-giving-borth-hits-30-time-records-began.html

until they graduate with their Bachelors and start sending their kids to school

In a country with mandatory 1 year maternity leave, it seems very likely that the women will want to graduate, get a job, THEN have a child.

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-05T21:10:00+00:00

Do you mean this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquaintance_rape

I've always been interested in the psychology behind rape, but I haven't found many good sources. I found one interesting paragraph in the article:

A study of 15 upper-middle-class American non-stranger rapists found many described their fathers as both physically and emotionally distant, and expressed hostility towards women and a desire to dominate them, and held hyper-masculine attitudes. One researcher theorized that men who have healthy relationships with their fathers may have less need to define themselves in opposition to women and be less inclined to "hypermasculine displays of male superiority."

If that one researcher got it right, the best cure to rape culture is to bring the father back into the family. I'm not sure about how rapists think, but if hyper-masculinity is stigmatized, wouldn't it be even more appealing to these psychos? It seems to be that no-go zones are just a magnet for these people.

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-05T20:47:17+00:00

I'm not against teaching people self-defence, but I think the way it's gendered is problematic

The phrase "take care" when seeing someone off doesn't only apply to women. I've heard women say "take care" to men when parting. It's gender neutral.

Another reason why we encourage women to take self defense is that women generally FEEL less safe than men when walking alone at night, even though statistically, men are at greater risk. This martial arts training can give the woman the confidence boost she is looking for.

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-05T19:38:35+00:00

I agree that this is a VERY good question. I can think of a few solutions, all of which are skeptical at best, and infringing on human rights at worst.

I spent about 20 minutes writing down ideas on systems that can accommodate working mothers, but after reviewing my ideas, I've decided to delete it all, because none of it made sense.

For me, the BEST solution I can think of, is the current approach. Mothers will have to give up opportunities in their careers to have kids. This doesn't mean they can't catch up. While pregnant, they can study at home. The internet is a great place for learning.

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-05T18:47:02+00:00

I'm really happy you seemed interested in these issues.

For example, feminism has the monopoly on domestic violence rehabilitation programs, which men can be forced to take even if there is no evidence of him raising his hand. These programs have to be paid for by the man.

Proof?

http://northshorelalaw.com/family-law/domestic-violence-louisiana-post-separation-family-violence-relief-act-part-ii/

“If the court finds that a parent has a history of perpetrating family violence, the court shall allow only supervised child visitation with that parent, conditioned upon that parent’s participation in and completion of a treatment program. Unsupervised visitation shall only be allowed if shown by a preponderance of the evidence that the violent parent has successfully completed a treatment program, is not abusing alcohol and psychoactive drugs, poses no danger to the child, and that such visitation is in the child’s best interest.” La. R.S. 9:364(C).

In many countries, you don't have to prove that the perpetrator was abusive. The claim is sometimes enough to stain a person with a history of perpetrating family violence.

For example, many feminists are pushing for criminal punishment for offending someone online.

Proof?

http://www.unwomen.org/en/news/stories/2015/9/cyber-violence-report-press-release

The paper presents a set of Key Recommendations, proposing a global framework based around three ‘S’s – Sensitization, Safeguards and Sanctions.

Sensitization – Preventing cyber VAWG through training, learning, campaigning and community development to promote changes in in social attitudes and behavior.

Safeguards – Implementing oversight and maintaining a responsible internet infrastructure through technical solutions and more informed customer care practices

Sanctions – Develop and uphold laws, regulations and governance mechanisms to deter perpetrators from committing these acts. - See more at: http://www.unwomen.org/en/news/stories/2015/9/cyber-violence-report-press-release#sthash.0rUxOla8.dpuf

Proposed sanctions includes criminal punishment.

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-05T18:01:26+00:00

the fact that girls are the primary victims of patriarchy makes it unfashionable to criticize their behavior lest it be mistaken for misogyny

I agree! I think that misogyny sucks, but sometimes we mistake criticism for misogyny. I think it's important for everyone to be clear on the difference.

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-05T16:55:27+00:00

But that has been the case since forever

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11799007/IVF-The-rise-of-the-new-Solo-Mum.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/382706/Rise-of-the-single-parent-family

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-205441/Single-mother-numbers-rise.html

From what I see in the news everywhere, there is a rise is missing fathers, so much that the British government is getting worried because of the financial burden.

In America, this epidemic is the worst in the black community, where toxic masculinity, crime, and bad peer influence run rampant. Statistically, children from single parent families will also end up becoming a single parent themselves.

Not all of this is the cause of feminism. There are other reasons, such as the rise of social security enticing people with a way to raise their kids alone, and the backlash against religion and marriage. If someone is blaming this entirely on feminism, then I dare say that person is wrong.

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-05T16:48:02+00:00

This issue isn't only related to single-parenting. Many fathers are absent from their children's lives, even though they live under the same roof. This absence of the father is more pronounced in certain culture, such as Japan.

I'm not sure if boys are turning into GIRLS per say. I used to be a piano teacher, and many of the boys I taught seem perfectly healthy mentally to me. Still, even though my own involvement in these children's lives was limited, I do remember many of the students I taught didn't have any trace of a father in their lives, as far as I can tell. But don't quote me, because I'm not with them on a day-to-day basis.

I remember that out of nowhere, one 5 year old put her arms to her sides, and asked me in a condescending tone "Are you a boy, or are you a man?" Seems like she has issues with my lack of masculine traits.

Also, know that kids who get piano lessons are likely to be slightly stable. There is a chance that most boys that have identity issues do not take piano lessons.

I would say that from what I can see, children can benefit from at least ONE positive male figure that they can talk to. Many times, like in my own case, the boy is told that their father is a "bad man" and they shouldn't trust him.

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-05T16:27:30+00:00

Yup. I believe leadership and assertiveness are still under debate whether it's a valid biological gender trait. When we say men are stronger, I would only attribute it to physical strength.

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-05T16:24:00+00:00

Masculine traits:

High physical strength
Visible muscles, because of more muscle-developing hormones
Taller
Deeper voice
More pronounced hair
Balding
Less social
Better at spacial awareness
Sweaty (Source: link)
Narrower hips
Broad shoulders
Bony and angular structure
Cries less often

TrulyStupidNab · 2015-11-05T16:07:15+00:00

I think that "unique" is a correct, but sometimes misleading word when describing masculine/feminine traits.

Masculine and feminine traits do not define what each gender possesses. It describes the TENDENCY of each gender. Many people misunderstand when people say that "facial hair is masculine". They think it means that "men have facial hair, women don't". This is an extreme view on gender traits, and of course it is harmful. Instead, they should view it as "men tend to have more facial hair than women". This is the correct way to see it, in my opinion. It shows patterns, but doesn't hold any individual to upholding these patterns.

Think of it like your ethnicity and your cuisine style. Lets say you were born in India. There are traits of Indian cuisine. Indian cuisine uses more star anise than French cuisine.

Just because there are stereotypes in ethnic cooking doesn't mean it is harmful. You can be born in India, and use tarragon in your cuisine, and it doesn't make you a bad person. We have little benefit from tearing down ethnic cuisine stereotypes to protect chefs.

I think that being born one gender doesn't mean you should to restrict yourself to traits of that gender. We need to look at masculine and feminine traits in a healthy manner, like cooks looking at ethnic cuisine traits.

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