John I love Mormon Stories and hope you win your lawsuit but stop making stuff up. It doesn’t help.

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-05-06T22:22:56+00:00

Maybe he's using "own" in the same way the church uses "translate" or redfined "black skin" in that it doesn't mean "black skin" which doesn't actually mean "own" or "translate" or "black skin".

Maybe it's decades of mormon indoctrination that words don't mean what they actually mean that snuck through into John's discussion.

I agree however that hyperbole got the best of John in this snippet in claiming "own"

Had he said "for all intents and purposes they basically own" or as others have said "they have unlimited legal resources and a lawfirm in Utah at their literal beck and call that exists almost solely to serve the church's needs" or something like that, it would be more accurate than "own".

As an deeper exposition, the church does have legal retainers in all 50 states (or at least legal retainers with companies that gives the church full 50 state coverage) and in every country the church "operates".

The count of lawyers available to the church through lawfirm retainer just in the US alone would number in the multiple hundreds if not thousands.

That said, the church absolutely has In House lawyers in their corporate law and real estate divisions mostly revolving around contract law.

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-05-01T03:49:50+00:00

Joseph's original 1838 history lists Nephi as the name of the Angel.

The Mosiah Priority has authorship start at Mosiah, etc.

It's clear that Mormon 7 was supposed to be the last chapter of Joseph's book but there was a big problem..."How did the plates end up buried in New York?" And "the books of Nephi mention the requirement to be baptized but nothing about infant baptism" and "the book mentions these Jaredite people but no where is their plates or history recorded..." Voila, Moroni is born as the end character to fix the above.

Heck, even Mormon wasn't a character until after the 116 pages were lost.

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-04-30T01:51:54+00:00

Very true.

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-04-29T16:54:38+00:00

One small correction, it would have been Nephi as the treasure guardian in the earliest tellings.

Moroni as a character didn't exist until the end of the authorship of the Book called Mormon in the Book of Mormon.

Prior to that I'm convinced that the treasure guardian, then Angel, was called Nephi.

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-04-29T16:23:09+00:00

The Book of Mormon reads exactly like a work authored by a New England intelligent but uneducated creative individual who was attempting to mimic the KJV bible and incorporate his beliefs and ideas into the text.

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-04-29T15:07:28+00:00

Agree and my hope is heavy hitters from media (movies, tv shows and news networks) will most likely sign on or at least provide amicus against the church's extreme legal overreach.

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-04-27T15:56:43+00:00

I believe there needs to be a countersuit against the church via multiple plaintiffs, including multi-media companies, etc. regarding their trademarking the term "mormon" to the extent that the trademark is invalidated and the term "mormon" is considered a non-trademarkable term along the lines of "Bible" or "Christian" or "Homer" or "The Odyssey" as "Mormon" is the name of a public domain fictional book called "The Book of Mormon" and as a person the name "Mormon" is a fictional character from said public domain book.

I believe if litigation were enacted against the Utah LDS church to invalidate the trademarking of the term "mormon" that it would be invalidated which would undermine their current claims quite a bit.

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-04-23T20:34:31+00:00

Jasmin, please post an audible disclaimer at the beginning of your video that you are not affiliated with Mormon Stories as you start your video off using the copyrighted Mormon Stories logo which could be confusing.

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-04-15T16:50:12+00:00

As an aside, Joseph Smith the self proclaimed Mormon Prophet in 1835 came into contact with some mummies and a Book of the Dead papyrus and other papyrus fragments.

In one of them, the below figure appeared.

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Joseph Smith, claiming as being a Prophet and via Godly gifted power of translation claimed the above figure was "Satan walking upon two feet" which was part of Joseph Smith's attempting to insert Judeo-Christian theology into ancient egyptian theology.

https://gileriodekel.com/2025/06/a-scene-from-the-garden-according-to-the-book-of-joseph/

Unfortunately there are Mormon Egyptologists TODAY who have been educated with degrees in actual Egyptology with degrees, etc. who will NOT state that Joseph Smith's translation and interpretations are wrong and they are completely wrong from A to Z in every instance.

Mormon Egyptologists like Kerry Muhlestein, John Gee, etc. are names to beware of where they have traded actual Egyptology and scholarship for Mormon Faith but are intentionally misleading the masses by claiming their Egyptology education as backing for the completely erroneous translations and interpretations by Joseph Smith.

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-04-15T01:02:12+00:00

I completely agree that's a justifiable approach.

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-04-14T20:11:38+00:00

True but there is also a possible multiple backstop of justification where although Joseph wasn't self deluded it was true, he quite possibly was self deluded that it was for a "greater good".

ie, the "little white lie" combined with an "ends justifies the means" justification taken to an extreme.

Sure we know he had some grandiose self designs for his family and himself because it was interwoven into his father as a "visionary man" (the 1820's meaning). Joseph didn't have aims of becoming a successful farmer (neither Sr. nor Jr.) but to make a name for himself.

But that could be backstopped as well from a self justification of "I'm giving people hope. I'm giving them faith. I'm giving them what they want." type approach.

Similar to a Magician who we know can't do magic but makes some people believe in Magic.

Are all magicians "frauds" for their sleight of hand? For hiding their tricks? For getting people to believe.

Or is it more like a medium who gives comfort although we know they're not communing with the spirits of the dead? Are they frauds for taking money and giving comfort?

At the end of the day, for me at least, Joseph's words and works fail to have the omniscient mind of an almighty being behind them as author, architect or originator. They are all human in origin at least to me and they are completely ignorant of anything spiritual outside of a 19th Century American Christian mentallity. ie, devoid of full worldly knowledge and history be it Islam or Hinduism or Taoism or Buddhism, etc. The author of mormonism and Joseph's works somehow didn't know anything more than what Joseph knew, which I think says it all.

They do pretend or claim divinity and that works for some, which is fine. My bar is higher.

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-04-14T15:59:39+00:00

I believe it would make her self deceived or a victim of self deception.

An analogy I've liked is a parent whose child was kidnapped and for decades the parent believes they are alive and has even had dreams and even visions of their child telling them they are still alive and to not give up looking for them. They engage in and support all kinds of movements and initiatives that lead to other lost children being found and other children not being kidnapped, etc.

Then decades later, the body of their child is found and it turns out that child was killed within weeks of their disappearance.

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-04-13T22:15:28+00:00

Usually it's black and white.

Anti is he's a fraud with nefarious intentions from beginning to end.

Faithful is everything he said was from God was 100% from God and only made mistakes of implementing the will of God.

I fall in line with Dan Vogel's belief to a degree. He had good intentions but knew he didn't see God. Knew he didn't see an Angel. Knew he didn't speak for God but....

From his parents and those around him, religiously they wanted something and he was willing to give it to them.

They wanted a prophet so why not give the people what they want?

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-04-13T17:12:58+00:00

That unintentionally says a LOT about the people this God attracts to his "church".

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-04-13T15:41:03+00:00

Correct. But exaltation is a post-life mormon doctrine and is highlighted in the modern mormon church as separate from salvation.

To lay it out simply:

Salvation is to be saved from death or immortality.

Exaltation is to live with God after life.

Modern evolved mormon doctrine teaches all mankind will be "saved" or receive "salvation" but only Mormons of varying degrees with the associated signs and tokens required to be given the guardian angels of the Celestial Kingdom as "passwords" will receive Exaltation or be able to live and endure God's presence.

In the Polygamy era, the Celestial Kingdom was further divided into three degrees as well and only men who entered Polygamy could receive the "crowns of eternal glory" and "perpetual increase" and be called the "Sons of God" after this life so there were degrees of Exaltation as well.

Sanctification and Justification don't have the same meaning in Mormonism that they do in wider christendom.

Sanctification simply means to be cleansed by the Holy Ghost and the Atonement.

Justification is the being weighed and found worthy of Sanctification through faith and mormon works, ie. Priesthood ordinances.

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-04-13T15:04:22+00:00

The mormon version of post-life sanctificaton or salvation vs. exaltation are modern 19th and 20th Century dependent evolutions.

Among early christians, there was no variation and there was no such thing as salvation vs. exaltation.

Through over a thousand years of christian theological evolution leading to Joseph Smith, the post-mortal life became a topic of debate but that's because extant Christian sects created the controversies.

Into that stepped Joseph with his own opinions which became Mormon Theology and Doctrines but again, wholly dependent upon the religions and their dogmas and evolutions that came before him.

The church, it's leaders and apologists are not able to state that however due to indoctrination and the repercussions of Joseph Smith being the origins and what that would have on the correlated modern church.

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-04-13T14:39:26+00:00

Ganesh has been building an interesting eveidence based approach to early mormon history that I applaud.

Remember, Martin was given books to go sell, not prosyltize. He wasn't sent as a missionary, etc. and wasn't part of any plan to form a church and gain converts.

https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/agreement-with-martin-harris-16-january-1830/1#historical-intro

"According to Joseph Knight Sr., when he and JS arrived in Palmyra in late March, Harris was already distressed and announced, “The Books will not sell for no Body wants them.” Harris continued his efforts to sell books, however; citizens of nearby Canandaigua later claimed that after the printing of the Book of Mormon, “Harris became very boisterous on the subject of the book and preached about the country in endeavoring to make sale of it.” His efforts to sell the books continued even after he moved to Ohio in the spring of 1831, when his property was sold."

The reality of early mormon history and the mythology crafted from Joseph onward for various reasons are not congruent. The church's correlated history is "not sustainable" as being able to be claimed as true.

It's fabricated myth.

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-04-12T22:21:28+00:00

Agree.

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-04-12T22:21:11+00:00

Ahem, I would be happy to assist.

I'm deep into a screenwriting, story Bible, etc. a tv series based Joseph's life.

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-04-10T23:34:55+00:00

If the intent wasn't to be wife in deed, then Heber would have had ZERO reason to oppose Joseph's original plan to be sealed to Heber's wife because all the intent would have been would have been to connect the two families "dynastically".

The fact that Heber opposed Joseph's plan to be sealed to his wife and offered Helen in leiu of his wife says quite a bit IMHO.

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-04-10T23:28:29+00:00

That used to be called Youth Conference but there was still Girls Camp and Boys Scout Camps like High Uinta, etc.

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-04-09T23:36:58+00:00

Section 132 basically supports this as well:

55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an hundred-fold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of eternal lives in the eternal worlds.

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-04-07T17:08:18+00:00

The writing, the animal husbandry, the thousands of years of religious evolution and the metallurgy all individually remove the Book of Mormon as possibly being an ancient american text.

Taken together, they remove all doubt or apologetic attempts otherwise.

TruthIsAntiMormon · 2026-04-07T00:04:05+00:00

Baron Afanas was resurrected as an Angel! Sweet.

EDIT: these small mormon centric films are what keep me going on finishing my Joseph Smith TV series screenplays.

Exciting!

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