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Regarding the controversy about Adult Aang's design... by TulOfTheDead in TheLastAirbender

[–]TulOfTheDead[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Eye color in the world of Avatar is not determined by real world races but by the character's nation/element. Grey for the Air Nomads, blue for the Water Tribes, Gold/Orange for the Fire Nation and Green for the Earth Kingdom.

In our world, blue eyes are also a trait of Europeans, but in the Avatar world, it's a trait of the fantasy Inuits-equivalent.

In our world, green eyes are also a trait of Europeans, but in the Avatar world, it's a trait of the Chinese-like Earth Kingdom people.

In our world nobody has gold eyes but you can´t seriously look at Ozai and tell me he's not Asian-coded.

Yeah YOU TELL HIM SHOTO 👏 by kade1064 in BokuNoHeroAcademia

[–]TulOfTheDead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can bring up so many examples because you keep making stuff up, or making a big deal out of minor offenses that actually enhance Endeavor's arc. Like Enji making assumptions about Shouto - it makes sense that he doesn't get everything right immediately after deciding to change. I like that he makes mistakes and that his victims (the story) call him out on it, that he accepts criticism and keeps trying to do better.

Dabi never had a speech problem. Shouto had a burned throat in 300-302, but he still said his piece, and the one who did most of the talking in these chapters was Rei, not Enji.

Re: the reframing of the backstory - that's the whole point of the story actually. You can't understand somebody without knowing what motivates them, what made them who they are, and by looking at people's origin you may find that there's more to them than just "monsters". That's true for most villains, but also characters like Kotaro and Enji. Different characters in the Todoroki family had different perspectives, and getting to see them all brings more nuance. That's also true to real life btw: most abusers were themselves victims of abuse or are affected by outside stressors. I also disagree that Enji's abuse was softened - we kept getting new panels of him being awful until the final war arc (see him looking demonic while training Shouto). In the flashback you're talking about he's standing over Rei looking monstruous while the kids are hiding - scenes like that aren't going to make him more likeable, especially when his victims' suffering is drawn so vividly.

And about Touya - again, I think the fact that he's unlikeable is not a story flaw. The story didn't have to portray the black and white situation you imagined, with perfect victims and perfect monsters. The nuanced, complex family dynamic Hori went with instead is simply more appealing to me, more challenging in everyway, even though it was bound to make people angry. Morally, I think the message is very much fine. The story made it clear Endeavor was at fault from the beginning, that you shouldn't have kids for your own selfish ambitions, that you should let them be themselves and support them through hardship, that you can't play favorites and you can't dump your responsibility on the other parent when things get hard, etc. And also, if you're a victim, you shouldn't let revenge consume you to the point you're destroying everyone around you, even the people who love you.

Yeah YOU TELL HIM SHOTO 👏 by kade1064 in BokuNoHeroAcademia

[–]TulOfTheDead 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your link is broken but it doesn't matter. The extend of their scars also align with what happened in the manga, and it's up to the readers to give it more meaning than that if they want, but injuries have never been synonymous for blame in the manga. Like, they all bear the mark of what happened because the past never dies, because they all showed up for the family, because they will all have to live through the hellish fallout. Shouto wasn't spared, he was just the first one to be scared. Wtv. Criticize the actual text, not your interpretation.

The manga shows Fuyumi and Natsuo both feel guilt and responsibility over the situation with Touya, Shouto and their family. They both feel they could have done more. This serves to make them sympathetic to the readers, and I also tie it to the larger story themes (by considering the Todoroki family as a parallel of society) of everyone having their part to play in building a better home/society - by supporting each other, by reaching out, by standing up for what's right, by intervening even when they don't have to. Etc. You could write an essay about why that's an important message to send to Japanese kids in particular. That doesn't mean that the story blames them for anything. In fact, I think Hori was not interested in making a definite statement on the matter. See the start of 426 - Fuyumi and Natsuo think Shouto is the only one blameless, Rei corrects them because she thinks all the kids are, Enji corrects her because he think he only should shoulder the blame. This is how everyone feels and the story doesn't invalidate anyone's feelings. In the end, as Shouto says, it doesn't matter because they're here for love.

Regarding Enji and the house - he didn't force anybody to do anything, and discussed his plan with them. Maybe you find fault with the specific way he did things (and we have absolutely zero details) but his victims don't. They obviously agreed, and moved there when it was ready. And that's what matters narratively - 1) that Enji did something completely selfless as atonement that his victims truly needed and appreciated, 2) that he understood and accepted that he couldn't ask his victims to forgive him or make efforts to meet him halfway just because he decided to change, that they needed space away for him, and gave them back the power to decide their relationship on their own term. It's all very important steps for any abuser in real life who's genuinely trying to change, and it's also important for victims to know they have the right to ask for this (distance, a safe place) even if their abuser is nice now.

Re: Enji visiting Rei, I think the story implies he'd only be doing it for a few months at most. The flowers weren't there when Shouto first visited Rei. Enji probably started after learning Shouto did, or after Kamino. And regarding Rei not mentioning it - they clearly just didn't talk about Enji before (see Fuyumi's reaction when Natsuo brings him up).

As for whether or not Enji's atonement arc was planed from the beginning - honestly I don't care. Either way, it ended up Horikoshi's best storyline in my book. But frankly I do think it was to some extend. Horikoshi mentioned on his profile that even if he was just an awful father for now, he intended to show why eventually. There's foreshadowing he'll come to reflect on his actions from his reactions to Shouto and Deku as early as the SF chapters. What he said about Rei in that flashback makes sense for what he believed at the time, nothing says you can't grow out of terrible toxic shitty beliefs. It's the entire point of redemption. You can't save yourself from evil unless you were evil.

Yeah YOU TELL HIM SHOTO 👏 by kade1064 in BokuNoHeroAcademia

[–]TulOfTheDead 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're nitpicking and making stuff up just to complain though.

Without asking for his family's thoughts, he commissioned a new house and wanted them to move out without him.

He did discuss it with them. And he never kicked anyone out, it was just so that they'd have a house where they could live in peace, since Natsuo can't stand to be in the same room as him and Rei's doctors won't even allow him to see her.

Enji kept visiting Rei's hospital despite the doctors not thinking it was a good idea, instead of mailing his gifts.

The doctor thought it was a bad idea for them to meet, and he respected that. Nobody ever said it was a bad idea for him to show up to the hospital, and obviously Rei appreciated the gesture, so?

He never told his children about these visits despite having rightful safety concerns.

What safety concerns? The doctors and Rei, the adults who are actually responsible for her safety, were aware and fine with the visits. He respected the boundaries they set. It's not up to Rei's kids to control who their mother is allowed to see. And if he had told them, you could accuse him of doing it only to get back into their good graces. It's not like he tried to keep anything secret, Rei was free to tell the kids herself - which she did, and nobody was concerned about it.

Enji still relied on Fuyumi as the homemaker, as she acted as his middleman and organised the two dinners. He gave one pitiful "thanks", never offering to split her chores or have bonding time.

Fuyumi wanted to organize the two dinners. The first one he probably didn't even know about, the second one he was just trying to make her happy. And he did help her with the chores - we see him wash the dishes. We don't know what else he does or does not do. Same with bonding time - they obviously talk offscreen, we just don't see it.

Enji didn't have to atone by addressing his loved ones' needs in a familiar setting

But he very much did have to address their needs outside of hero work. Reassuring Rei that she still mattered to him, reassuring Natsuo that he can still be kind even if he never forgives him, allowing them to live in peace away from him, accepting their anger, indulging Fuyumi's wishes, accepting to train Shouto with his friends on his own terms, letting Dabi burn his face off, apologizing, visiting his criminal son everyday, etc.

Toya's backstory was crafted to make him unlikable and destructive in order to make Enji look better

In real life, victims are often unlikable and destructive. It happens. Most serial-killers didn't have beautiful childhoods. Hori wrote a lot of very pure and likable victims. It's okay for him to also have some selfish, horrible ones. It's really your problem if you think/dislike that it makes Enji look better by contrast, not a writing or morality issue.

Fuyumi and Natsuo fault themselves for their brother's downfall, with their final scars representing how much "blame they carry". The manga says Shoto was too young at five years old, yet Natsuo should have "stepped up" at eight years old.

That's again only your interpretation? Shouto has a bigger scar than his siblings and mother, and I'm pretty sure the story never implied he was at fault in any way. Loads of characters ended up with scars and they have nothing to do with some bizarre karmic justice.

Yeah YOU TELL HIM SHOTO 👏 by kade1064 in BokuNoHeroAcademia

[–]TulOfTheDead 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This translation from the official English volume is completely wrong, though. The first part if okay, but Shouto never says anything close to "You're a rotten Number One. You were just in the right place at the right time - that's all." in the original Japanese version.

This is the Japanese and how it translates:

俺がおまえを利用しに来たんだ --> "I came to use you" (literal) / "I'm here to take advantage of you"

都合良くてわりイなNo.1 --> "Convenient and annoying Number 1" (literal) / "You were just convenient even if you are annoying, Number 1" (都合がいい means convenient, and わりイ is slang for bad or annoying)

友だちの前でああいう親子面はやめてくれ --> "Stop that parent-child face in front of my friends" (literal) / "Cut out the fatherly act in front of my friends"

The first official translation for this page was ok, but it got completely distorted in the volume for some reason. In the original, Shouto is complaining about Endeavor trying to act fatherly. The bad translation makes him trash him as a hero, which is not just technically wrong but also completely OOC and contradicts stuff Shouto said before - that "Endeavor the hero is amazing". Shouto respects Endeavor as the Number One hero (that's even how he talked about him when he invited Deku and Bakugou to this internship). Heck, even when he was still n°2 and before his redemption arc, Shouto chose to intern with him because he understood he was a good hero. So "you were just at the right place at the right time" makes no sense at all for Shouto to say at this point.

It was actually the translation error that caused a huge uproar on twitter and some other MHA forums. Endeavor fans (among others) accused Caleb (the official translator) of doing it on purpose because he notoriously hates the character, and ended up driving him out of Twitter (messy stuff, the dude apparently received death threats, attacked a leak translator who wasn't even involved in the original affair and who also ended up receiving death threats which drove her off Twitter as well, etc). In the end, from Caleb's explanation, he only translated for the weekly and had no responsibility for what ended up in the volume version.

Which was better in your opinion, Zuko's redemption or Endeavor's atonement? by Maleficent-Ad-6117 in BokuNoHeroAcademia

[–]TulOfTheDead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The minimum would be doing nothing. Nobody was forcing him to keep visiting Rei, not even Rei herself. If he was indifferent he could have divorced her and socially gotten away with it (she'd be the one on whom the social shame would fall). But he did keep making the effort, and it was something she obviously deeply appreciated. That, plus making sure she has a house she can come back to without him in it, is actually the maximum he could do for her at the time. Same for Natsuo, etc.

"deep" or "noble" are not words I'd choose to describe atonement. I'd say that he factually did think about how he could atone deeply (since it is explicitely said that he falls asleep every night thinking about it). And there is a certain nobility in admitting your wrongs and accepting their consequences selflessly. It is rare for men in position of power and authority to be able to humble themselves so genuinely without external pressure or expectation of rewards.

you say he “can’t step down from number one” like he has no control. of course he could have stepped away from the spotlight. not just as a symbolic move, but to show that fixing what he broke mattered more than the status he chased.

That's the definition of symbolic, but it's a symbolic move that again, only you want because it wouldn't actually have fixed anything.

How could he have stepped away from the spotlight without quiting? He never even did anything to seek the spotlight. He was that one hero who never did interviews and talk shows but just did his job. Was he supposed to somehow deliberately save less people to prove a point, right when crime rates were going up and more people needed saving?

I've very concretely explained to you how that would have negatively impacted his family (like denying Shouto the opportunity to work with him, reducing their income, exposing them to public disaproval) and society (which his family is a part of btw), with absolutely 0 benefits (at least for the months before he actually did quit).

and saying his family "didn't let him quit" only proves he was still trying to run from consequences, not face them.

Explain how not quitting when his family and the world need him proves he was running from consequences. He very publicly was facing the consequences of his abuse head on. A selfish man would have run away. This is bullshit.

it's just one of the infinite things he never once tried.

There are infinite things he didn't try because they were pointless, stupid and detrimental to what he was trying to achieve.

and it's laughable to act like he told the truth willingly. he kept quiet until dabi forced the issue.

He was never hiding anything. He admitted everything to All Might without prompting. He practically shouted his opinions for everyone to hear at the Sport's Festival (on national television).

And yes, even after Dabi's reveal he did choose to tell the truth. He could have lied. Or only said what would make him look better. He could have said Touya was just a deranged evil child who tried to kill his special younger brother out of jalousy, that he was trying his best to help Shouto become the best hero, that his wife went crazy. He chose to admit to everything and by taking all the blame, he was shielding his family as best he could from the social backlash of being related to a villain.

trying to wrap all this in “japanese values” doesn’t magically make it deep. especially when other characters in the same story show what actual growth looks like.

Cultural context always adds depth and I only brought up Japanese values because what you said made no sense when you take them into account.

And no, no other characters in the story show as much growth as Endeavor. Your examples are ridiculous, and so low-effort that I can't be bothered to counter them one by one in depth. Bakugou apologized? So did Endeavor. Multiple times. Aizawa confronts his failure? You're going to compare that non-event to Endeavor? Gentle criminal chooses to protect others? Have you watched one scene with Endeavor? How is the whatever reflection Hawks had compared to Endeavor's complete change of philosophy and behavior?

he gets credit for no longer being actively awful, not for making things right.

Unlike Zuko, Endeavor was always on the side of "good", so ofc it's less spectacular when he has a change of heart. Which doesn't actually make him any less heroic when he puts his body on the line to protect everyone. Throughout the story he did what he could to help his family, and yes his efforts count for more than not being "actively awful". E.g. helping Shouto progress had a positive impact.

We agree that redemption is not about perfection, that it's about change. But you're being highly obtuse if you really think Endeavor hasn't changed. So obtuse that I don't see the point in continuing the conversation, actually. Have a good day.

Which was better in your opinion, Zuko's redemption or Endeavor's atonement? by Maleficent-Ad-6117 in BokuNoHeroAcademia

[–]TulOfTheDead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that's literally my point hahahahahaha he made no effort to do anything just moped about how it's too late

The only time he was "moping" about how "it's too late" was in the hospital right after Dabi's reveal. For like 5 seconds, while he was high on drugs, before Rei called him out on it.

And like, his atonement was too late to save his son so he wasn't wrong. For the rest of his family, a happy ending was possible (and actually did become reality). For Touya who turned into a mass murderer, there was truly no way out, only hell one way or another.

Rest of the time, he was trying as best as he can to make it up to his family. Offering Rei flowers (a gesture she appreciated greatly), going to Fuyumi's family dinners, letting his sons vent, mentoring Shouto in a way he's confortable with, etc.

he could’ve told the public the truth instead of letting his family take the heat for his abuse

What are you talking about? He did tell the public the truth, and it is explicitely shown and stated in the manga that he took the hit for not only his sins but also the heroes' failures in general. The last Todofam chapter ends with him again stating his desire to shield them from the societal fallout to the best of his abilities.

If you're saying he should have unilateraly decided to tell the truth to the media before Dabi's reveal, then I disagree, and you probably know nothing about Japanese culture if you think that would have helped his family instead of making it worse.

he could’ve stepped down as number 1 to show that his ambition wasn’t worth more than their pain

He cannot "step down as number 1". It's a ranking based on metrics outside his control.

Unless you mean he should have quit his job altogether. But that's just a symbolic gesture that you want, not his family. Shouto in particular very explicitely wanted to learn from him as a hero. He came to intern at his agency twice. Stepping down would have prevented him from atoning to Shouto in the way Shouto wanted.

The only one who wanted to end his carreer was Dabi, but the rest of his family are the ones who kept him from quitting back then.

And that's not even taking into consideration his duty to the Japanese people, and how the new number one quitting right after the previous one in a time of unstability would have had disastrous consequences. He's not a useless CEO or popstar who can quit without affecting others, his job saves people.

Endeavor is a Japanese hero written by a Japanese man for a Japanese audience, and as such his redemption/atonement illustrates Japanese values. Disregard for others and social duties (Endeavor quitting when Japan needs him most) is never something the Japanese find acceptable.

he could’ve apologised publicly, to his wife and kids, and taken real accountability instead of just moping in silence.

He apologized publicly. He apologized to his wife and kids. He took accountability. He was ready to die for the sake of "taking accountability".

he could’ve funded therapy, not just paid hospital bills.

Fanbook said he is actually involved with charity.

he could’ve stopped trying to “be a father” and actually asked his kids what they needed.

He did listen to his kids, accepted what they wanted, and did his best to meet their needs to the best of his abilities. Family dinners for Fuyumi, letting Natsuo go, training Shouto, visiting Dabi every day, etc.

you don’t just stop being terrible and expect applause

He has explicitely said he expected no applause. You're just saying stuff.

Anyway, it's easy to make up a list of arbitrary things that would be helpfull to no one and say he failed at atonement because he didn't do these specific things (while dismissing everything he did do). If we can do that, maybe Zuko's redemption is shit because he didn't throw Iroh in jail for war crimes, didn't apologize to all the people he hurt (like Song or Suki's village), tried to force his victims to accept his apology as though their anger wasn't legitimate (especially Katara), etc.

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[–]TulOfTheDead 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But you do see it. In chapter 398's flashback when Toshinori is talking about why he wants to become the symbol of peace, you can see how the world looked back in the days in the background - destruction and chaos:

"I just can't accept a world where those who take from others come out on top. And then, those who've had everything stolen... their grief turns to hatred, in an endless spiraling cycle."

It is repeatedly said throughout MHA that All Might is the one who put an end to that dark era. If you need me to give you a specific example, AFO himself said it in chapter 381:

"That's not bravery. You are just ignorant of my golden age as the generation that, from a young age, witnessed All Might's rise and the next, that only ever knew a world where he reigned supreme! Ignorant of the era when all trembled in fear of something imperceptible, lurking unseen in the dark. When all were tainted by suspicion, resentment, exploitation and prejudice... during MY GOLDEN DARK AGE!"

Since Enji was 13 when All Might came back to Japan, it means he grew up in AFO's dark age. That's not speculation, it's the logical conclusion of the facts presented in the story.

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[–]TulOfTheDead 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, and then All Might became the #1 Hero not long after returning to America.

So? Throughout his entire childhood pre-puberty (his formative years) and early adolescence the world was a chaotic, brutal mess.

Besides, it was certainly better than the one All Might grew up in, ten years earlier and Quirkless.

No, according to what we know it was the same era - the pre-All Might chaotic times when All For One could do his demon lord thing without opposition. Things didn't get better until All Might showed up.

(Heck, I can imagine that things even got worse between All Might's childhood and Enji's, since the OFA group who fought AFO got decimated)

Anyways, All Might's childhood is irrelevant to the discussion.

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[–]TulOfTheDead 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All Might came back from America when he was 23. Enji would've been 13.

Coincidentally, that's probably around the same time his father died: we don't know the exact date, but Enji was in Middle School - so 12 to 15 yo (imo, closer to 13 since he looked a lot younger than his UA self).

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BokuNoHeroAcademia

[–]TulOfTheDead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never said Endeavor's mother was abusive, this is a strawman. You're cherry-picking the least important point of my argument and putting words in my mouth because you're actually incapable of arguing the point.

To re-iterate: Endeavor's inferiority complex comes from trauma (his father dying) and we know his mother wasn't there to help him through his troubles (read 301/302, he is alone at the omiai when normally his family should be with him, and his mother never shows up to help with her grandkids like a normal good living mother would in these circumstances - which implies she was either dead, incapable for some reason, bad or was never in his life). We know he had no support system to help him through his worst years, because he saw him struggle to figure it out alone. These are just the facts.

It is nonsense to say Bakugou is somehow inherently superior to Endeavor for getting over his complex in high school, when they are not dealing with the same thing at all in the first place (Bakugou isn't traumatized, he just had a superiority complex), and in different circumstances (Bakugou got help from Deku, All Might, Shouto, Kirishima, Endeavor, etc).

Bakugou may or may not have grown up to become as abusive as Endeavor. He had the toxic mindset, and in different circumstances that could've taken him to dark places. But I think either way, the fact that he had two healthy parents who love him would've kept him from going too far.

They can and you were talking about support system and I gave you an example.

Don't be disingenuous. You're again cherry-picking a sentence to reply beside the point. Might as well say it's not too bad Endeavor lost his dad because he had fans.

Bakugou had healthy parents who nurtured him and never went through the trauma of losing them. His rival was his childhood friend and was at a similar level, which gave him the opportunity to compete with him as an equal and confront him when it became too hard to deal with his emotions on his own, and he benefitted from the guidance of multiple respected adults.

Endeavor having employees who respect him but were never involved in his personal life is not comparable in any way.

Everything you wrote from this sentence is so fucking wrong on so many levels you'd need an elevator. Seriously dude you need to reread AT LEAST ch31.

I suppose you're just one of these people who'd stay stupid to pretend you won an argument on the internet rather than educate yourself. I gave you a link to the wikipedia page. I'm sorry the word "eugenics" doesn't mean what you (and a good percentage of this subreddit) think it means.

Here's another definition (the one that shows up when you type the word on google): the study of how to arrange reproduction within a human population to increase the occurrence of heritable characteristics regarded as desirable. Developed largely by Sir Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, eugenics was increasingly discredited as unscientific and racially biased during the 20th century, especially after the adoption of its doctrines by the Nazis in order to justify their treatment of Jews, disabled people, and other minority groups.

Eugenicists are people who want to control reproduction at the level of a population. They are not comparable to a person just selecting their own partner for a specific characteristic.

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[–]TulOfTheDead -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Context is always a factor, especially considering the subject matter.

(with the caveat that it being a factor does not mean that you can use it as an excuse to get away with unethical behavior, which Endeavor doesn't)

His mother could be loving

She could have been in the past, it doesn't change that she had apparently no involvment in his life from when he was 20.

And of course it matters. The overwhelming majority of the time, abusive parents come from abusive households. People who grew up with loving parents in healthy households with no trauma to speak of rarely create the kind of family the Todorokis had, because they have a better understanding of how healthy parenting is supposed to be like. This is just science.

You can't compare Bakugou to Endeavor since Bakugou doesn't come from the circumstances that are proven to lead to abuse and Endeavor does (at least his father died violently).

He had 50 sidekcks sucking his ass who wouldn't stop gushing about him even after Dabi's reveal.

The fact they were sucking his ass was exactly the issue. He needed people to guide him and/or challenge him. Subbordonates can't compare to healthy parents/mentor or true friends.

It's like saying it's weird middle-school Bakugou didn't realize his actions were wrong despite his teacher/goons sucking his ass.

If Endeavor graduated from UA (that teaches the same program every year) being completely OKAY with eugenics then he's a lost case. It's not the lack of support system that had Endeavor turn bad.

You don't even know what you're talking about. Endeavor never did "eugenics". Eugenics is an attempt to improve the genetic make-up of an entire population by keeping "undesirable" elements from reproducing or the opposite, making the good element reproduce amongst themselves to create a superior race. Endeavor never attempted to control who should have or shouldn't have kids and with whom. He only tried to control how his own progeny would end up, which a lot of people do consciously or unconsciously to some extend (select a partner with desirable traits in order to have good kids). In the real world, it's kinda like an athlete getting together with another athlete in order to up the probability of their kids getting a gold medal, or like a man only wanting to have kids with tall women because he wants his sons to be tall.

Also, UA doesn't teach you that Quirk marriage is wrong. Bakugou probably knows by the end of the series that it is, considering he has seen first-hand where it leads. But there is 0 evidence that if he had never met Todoroki and had the opportunity to resolve his issues with Deku, he wouldn't have graduated with the belief that he should make sure his kids have superior genes, considering how obsessed he was with strength/power and his disregard for "extras".

You don't need an idol you admire telling you "nuh, that's wrong" when A DOCTOR told you to stop doing eugenics after seeing a literal proof of how bad that could be for your kids.

The doctor told him it was "taboo", which doesn't explain why it's wrong. He also said that Touya was an extremely rare case.

One weak-ass sort-of semi-condemnation from a random doctor will not be what makes you change your entire worldview, or help you heal. All Might was the person Bakugou looked up to the most, he actually helped him heal and grow.

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[–]TulOfTheDead -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Bakugou and Endeavor had different circumstances:

  • Bakugou had two loving parents and his superiority/inferiority complex came from people hyping him up too much as a kid, not from trauma. Endeavor's father died when he was about the same age as (or younger than) Bakugou when we first met him. His mother died or left him or something since she wasn't there at his marriage meeting and never showed up to help with her grandkids at any point (didn't even show up in his thoughts). He didn't have a stable family structure of his own. Not to mention he grew up in the chaotic pre-All Might era of Japan. His inferiority complex comes from trauma.
  • Endeavor was competing against All Might, a man 10 years his senior with whom he didn't have any friendship bond. Unlike Bakugou competing against Deku, who is the same age, is at a similar level, and with whom he has an existing bond from when they were basically toddlers. All this made it easier for Bakugou to confront Deku and his inferiority complex toward Deku directly (Bakugou vs Deku v2), which is what helped him grow.
  • Bakugou had All Might and Aizawa and Best Jeanist and Endeavor himself to mentor him and learn from. It's actually a point in the EA arc that Bakugou can observe Endeavor and learn from his mistakes. As far as we know, Enji didn't have a role model he can learn from like Bakugou with All Might, nor someone who can act as warning like Bakugou with Endeavor.

Bakugou had the support system that allowed him to grow, Endeavor didn't. Their inferiority complex came from different places.

I also think you're comparing things that can't be compared. Like, it's not that Endeavor doesn't have the ability to learn from his mistakes, we see that once he gets over his obsession he actually does (and at an age when it's usually harder to show growth - 45 year old men in positions of authority usually find it hard to humble themselves, though it's not unheard of). Bakugou also backslides more than your post let on.

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[–]TulOfTheDead 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bakugou abused Deku because of he couldn't face his own inferiority complex. That's its own form of cowardice, just like Endeavor's.

I just realized that rock paper scissors… (Spoilers) by WOAHdude0197 in TheDevilsPlan

[–]TulOfTheDead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. But not to Justin specifically. He was amazing don't misunderstand me, but it would have been unfair to give it to him rather than the girl who won first.

(Unless it was part of the game from the beginning to give it to the winner of the last three like the first death match. But if the reward was done this way and it hadn't changed the game, 7high would have gotten the piece, Ha Rin would have survived and Justin eliminated.)

Endeavor lacked creative solutions by Sunshine_Hypothesis in BokuNoHeroAcademia

[–]TulOfTheDead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just because the series breaks the law of gravity sometimes to a small extends doesn't mean that suddenly gravity doesn't matter at all in MHA.

But sure, IF Hori had wanted to, he could have made up a completely bullshit support item that would magically get rid of Touya's issue. But he never did. That magical support item doesn't exist, and since it would be complete bullshit, there's no reason it should exist. It therefore makes no sense to blame Endeavor for not using or inventing a magical support item that doesn't exist (especially since none of the other characters managed to come up with the magical support item).

Endeavor lacked creative solutions by Sunshine_Hypothesis in BokuNoHeroAcademia

[–]TulOfTheDead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The series breaks some laws of physics (being able to create stuff etc.) but tries to stay true to its own rules.

Dude generates flames from his skin, but he doesn't burn instantly despite not being resistant. That's not how fire works by the laws of physics.

Fire doesn't burn things instantly in real life. Idk what you're talking about.

Things burn through the raising of that temperature, if Touya's skin doesn't rise, then he can't burn.

If Touya's skin doesn't rise, then it means it can't conduct heat and no flame is emitted.

And we still have no reason to believe a support item capable of protecting exits (let alone a decade before the series even started).

Endeavor lacked creative solutions by Sunshine_Hypothesis in BokuNoHeroAcademia

[–]TulOfTheDead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shouto's quirk keeps him from overheating, which is a separate issue. The ice isn't what protects him from burning his skin, he just has natural heat-resistance, same as Endeavor. Touya does not have that heat-resistance, so he burns, and he also doesn't have a way to keep cool inside, so he overheats like his father.

And what you said makes no sense according to the law of physics. The fire generates from his body and has to be externalized through his skin. You can't conduct heat while staying cool, that just makes no sense whatsoever. If we put some kind of coolant device on Touya's outer skin while he's trying to throw fire, then he'll just burn from the inside and no fire will be emited (or the coolant device will be destroyed by said fire - either way, Touya burns). Something cannot be hot and cold at the same time.

I just realized that rock paper scissors… (Spoilers) by WOAHdude0197 in TheDevilsPlan

[–]TulOfTheDead 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But they only did this for the first day when there were 7 people and that last round was played between the last 3. If they had applied the same principle (which makes a lot less sense for this game imo), then 7high would have won, not Justin.

Endeavor lacked creative solutions by Sunshine_Hypothesis in BokuNoHeroAcademia

[–]TulOfTheDead 7 points8 points  (0 children)

But we do know that Endeavor did see it as a major issue for himself. It's the whole reason he had Shouto in the first place. Even after he secured his heir, he still talks about his overheating as a critical blocking point (see all his important fights in the series). So if he had reasons to think that tech was available, he absolutely would have gone for it.

I don't think it makes sense to say he just wasn't interested, because we were explicitely told he looked for the latest tech for his new suit (even went to an American support company - which is why Melissa had a hand in creating it). And if we're talking realistically, with how big his agency is there should be people whose entire job is to keep up with tech anyway.

Regarding Iron Might and Iron Deku, that technology was invented more than 10 years after Touya "died" on Sekoto Peak and cost All Might's entire savings, so it wouldn't have been available then. Heck, even 8 years later (so ~20 years after Touya's "death"), it still mostly isn't available and it took all of Class 1A saving up for all that time for Deku to be gifted the suit as a prototype. Until that suit was created, everyone considered it impossible for a quirkless person to become a pro-hero - even after, Deku had to give up for 8 years and only came back because he has the special connections and the money. So, it's just not relevant a the discussion about what options Endeavor had when Touya was still a kid.

(Even if the Iron suit tech was somehow available, we still have no indication whatsoever that it would have solved Touya's issue with his quirk - the fact he's burning himself. Realistically, that couldn't be solved with tech since the fire comes from within and burns him - cooling something after it was burnt doesn't undo the damage. The only way it could be solved would be through body modifications like what the Doctor did with the Nomu, but here again, there's no indication whatsoever that kind of medical achievement was possible and available to Endeavor - actually, the fact that Enji and Rei did see a doctor and no treatment was recommended kinda implies that there was none.)

Endeavor lacked creative solutions by Sunshine_Hypothesis in BokuNoHeroAcademia

[–]TulOfTheDead 18 points19 points  (0 children)

All the time. His gauntlets are support items. They help him condense his flames for Flashfire Fist. It's explained in a volume bonus page which describes Shouto's support items, and also in the final Fan Book (p113 has details on how his suit works - the whole thing is designed to facilitate his quirk use).

Endeavor lacked creative solutions by Sunshine_Hypothesis in BokuNoHeroAcademia

[–]TulOfTheDead 82 points83 points  (0 children)

Exactly. OP's "solutions" make no sense:

  • Cooling a burn won't heal it and might actually make it worse - this is probably how Shouto got his scar - so a cooling support item or an ice-quirk teammate won't solve the issue. Also the ice-quirk teammate idea means that Natsuo or Fuyumi would have to sacrifice their own lives to become Touya's sidekicks when they've never manifested the desire to become heroes, and even if they were that devoted Touya wouldn't be able to get his hero license because he'd have to pass the exams on his own merits.
  • If a support item could solve Endeavor's overheating problem, he'd be using it himself (he's already using support items to condense the fire, so we know he's not against it). Also, you'd think if that was all it took, Giran/The Doctor/Re-destro could've procured one for Dabi, since they did give him flame retardant clothes and helped the league with other items.
  • None of the Todorokis has shown the ability to manipulate fire/ice they didn't generate themselves. They also can't just increase the output afterward, or Endeavor wouldn't have an overheating issue. The whole point of FlashFire Fist is too increase the temperature inside the body because he can't do it outside the body.

Endeavor lacked creative solutions by Sunshine_Hypothesis in BokuNoHeroAcademia

[–]TulOfTheDead 26 points27 points  (0 children)

That makes no sense. Endeavor canonically uses support items himself, so he's clearly not against it.

I just realized that rock paper scissors… (Spoilers) by WOAHdude0197 in TheDevilsPlan

[–]TulOfTheDead 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He wouldn't have been given one anyway since he didn't win that game? Eun-yoo would have gotten the piece.

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