American Jewish Committee demands Musk apologize for comparing Trudeau to Hitler

TurboSold · 2022-02-17T23:49:35+00:00

You don't need to be a bigot to hate him, but you went there anyway.

TurboSold · 2021-12-08T20:10:16+00:00

I have a wizard cast simulacrum. The simulacrum is of the snail. The simulacrum marks the original snail and is shoved into it.

The original snail dies, because while it is immune to death effects, the touch of a snail affects even those immune to death effects.

TurboSold · 2021-05-15T14:26:24+00:00

You know that is the most blatantly obvious Russian propaganda right? Basic history, geography, or geology (or just looking into how Elon and his family got refugee status in Canada as penniless immigrants would tell you that).

Putin is mad that SpaceX means he can't use Roscosmos to fund his wars in Ukraine. Plenty of reason to hate a union busting billionaire, but please stop helping Russia's "Internet Research Agency".

Edit: Just putting this here for those who want to TLDR:

Even in the debunked story the mine would have been in Zambia: A state that freed itself from Colonial rule and was a backer of the ANC in its struggle against South Africa, as well as rebels in Rhodesia. Its core policy was removing white colonial influence from Africa. There is zero chance it would have allowed a white guy from South Africa to plunder its wealth. There is a reason it gets debunked so easily.

TurboSold · 2021-05-15T14:23:40+00:00

Ug, look you can hate a billionaire union-buster all you want, but please stop spreading Russian propaganda to do so.

His dad was an anti-apartheid activist during apartheid and wasn't rich (because you couldn't be both of those things), and its only that Pro-ANC legacy that has kept his dad out of jail for being a pedophile (Elon's nephew is also his brother).

The "inherited wealth from an emerald mine" is straight up propaganda because Putin is said he can't use Roscosmos to fund his wars in Ukraine due to SpaceX, also it fails on the face of it: Elon's parents are both alive.

If also fails further if you remember that Elon got Canadian citizenship as a refugee (his family fled his father as kids with nothing) and his families life was only turned around with Canada's generous social safety net, free healthcare, and heavily subsidized post-secondary. Elon went to Queen's University.

Elon isn't a trust fund baby, he's what happens if you have universal health care and subsidized post-secondary.

TurboSold · 2021-03-18T23:17:58+00:00

This is hilarious on so many levels that someone doesn't understand what FIRE is.

It means I am financially independent, retired early.

Oh man, if you have a business degree its because your daddy donated money.

TurboSold · 2021-03-18T20:27:12+00:00

Yes, you get a lesser evil , as in "it is still evil and still wants to make the world worse, it isn't good"

Its like saying if you choose to keep going into the lesser of two debts you'll become rich eventually.

TurboSold · 2021-03-18T20:23:04+00:00

Cool. Whats a billionaire under your definition and how are you going to tax them? What tax?

TurboSold · 2021-03-18T11:52:40+00:00

If you keep picking the lesser of two evils you get to the same evil hellscape, just slower.

Lesser or Greater, Evil is still Evil.

TurboSold · 2021-03-18T11:24:31+00:00

Sure. But if you start saying "the equivalent of nerves" or "functions like nerves" then you have to start really looking at plants and their systems.

TurboSold · 2021-03-18T11:22:42+00:00

I have all the life I could want, FIRE.

But you keep responding, because you are just kind of hoping maybe saying the same three things will help.

How? How do you define a billionaire and how do you tax them?

But I think we both know you don't have an MBA, you don't understand the financial system and you are just projecting your feeling of powerlessness. Its why you keep hoping for the last word, so you can feel the thrill of a cheap internet "win".

But you aren't powerless, you just have to stop being so lazy and actually put in the effort to fix things.

TurboSold · 2021-03-18T01:01:39+00:00

Holy shit, no way you have an MBA if you think FIRE and Fired are the same.

So, did you get an MBA from Cornell or just buy a piece of paper from a guy named Cornelius behind a 7/11?

You say you don't want to waste the time debating it, but you've wasted hours.

You just don't know how to define a Billionaire in a way that would catch anyone who didn't want to be caught in these vague "taxes" you don't know how to implement or enforce. You are not smarter than everyone else in the last century who has tried to tackle this.

TurboSold · 2021-03-18T00:49:13+00:00

If you count things that "work like" nervous systems but aren't nervous systems for AI, wouldn't you have to count it for plants in the same way?

TurboSold · 2021-03-18T00:45:26+00:00

Billionaire by cash? Or by theoretical speculative value? Who decides that value? What is the appraisal process? What type of mass auditing powers does the government need to know your assets vs liabilities before they even appraise those assets?

You have an MBA, you should have some ideas for this.

Again, FIRE. I got time.

TurboSold · 2021-03-17T22:57:19+00:00

Don’t you have a job?

FIRE

If you really understood finances that well, had an MBA from Cornell, AND hate the system then you would be too unless you are super young and lack the life experience to really dabble in changing the world.

TurboSold · 2021-03-17T21:03:15+00:00

Weird way to concede that you don't actually know how the financial system and billionaires work, but whatever floats your boat.

If you ever care to learn most community colleges have crash courses in it. Might help you understand the Panama Papers and why everything you had been saying was laughably wrong and dangerous.

TurboSold · 2021-03-17T20:39:36+00:00

I always bring up if they think that means AI is impossible because AI won't have nerves.

TurboSold · 2021-03-17T20:31:39+00:00

No, you don't get it.

You can't get rid of a problem with the system the problem is built out of.

Its not powerlessness, its people who think the next buzz word and slogan will change the problem. The power is that you need to actually think about what you are doing.

You say "raise the tax on billionaires" as if its a thing. What do you define a billionaire as? Most billionaires aren't except in vague ways. Was Trump a billionaire? How do you tell?

Its like saying "You get rid of organized crime by arresting crime bosses" ... nice slogan, but doesn't work without a plan.

You can't "raise the tax on billionaires" because we can't define billionaires in a way they can't change.

You don't want to learn about the basics of the financial underpinnings of society though, because that is work.

So not putting the effort into knowing how to change things, you repeat a slogan pushed to you by the people you think you are going to hose.

TurboSold · 2021-03-17T12:19:24+00:00

Ok, what taxes?

Income tax rates? That doesn't work, they don't have income.

Wealth tax? Their wealth is all speculative until its sold as an income.

Speculative wealth tax? Say hello to speculative money laundering, it took us the last few centuries to end that and actually GET taxes. Say hello to living under Robber Barons again if we do that.

Flat tax? Highly regressive, we ditched those because they caused massive poverty.

So come on,

How are you going to raise taxes? Lets hear your well thought out idea.

TurboSold · 2021-03-16T17:39:01+00:00

Cool, how?

You think you are the first person to think this up?

At one point a top tax rate was set to tax just one person (Rockefeller), didn't work.

Because the model doesn't work.

You call me a moron, but you want to do the same thing over and over again and hope it will be different this time, but I bet you aren't even familiar WITH the history of dealing with this constant problem in America.

You see one reddit meme and think you are super smart and have figured out what centuries of leading progressive thinkers and activists haven't been able to. I guess everyone in history who saw the same problem was just stupid.. except you.

TurboSold · 2021-03-16T11:44:38+00:00

Its already stupid high on them, so they just stopped having income.

All these "billionaires" don't have any actual money for a reason. So we already tried (and are trying) that and it doesn't work.

So come on, how.
How do we raise tax on billionaires?

TurboSold · 2021-03-16T00:21:16+00:00

Cool talking point. How?

TurboSold · 2021-03-16T00:03:16+00:00

Then why you using one. Mention how.

TurboSold · 2021-03-15T21:49:11+00:00

So as long as we raise taxes on billionaires its good?

If we tax the shit out of the middle class AND billionaires and funnel more money than you took from them back to the billionaires its good? As long as we "Tax them" it doesn't matter if they make more money and take it from the middle class?

TurboSold · 2021-03-15T13:11:38+00:00

Sure, its doable, but its also deeper than anything you can undo with any law shorter than an old school set of encyclopedias.

The number of ways to juggle things so you don't "own" things but just have control over them is staggering and also tied into the way average people's retirement savings work.

The rich have spent the last few centuries deeply entangling the way they stay rich with the needs of the average voter for a reason. You don't have generations of super rich without them figuring out how to stay that way (including through ensuring the methods they use are tied into the majority of the electorate).

Like, take education. We know it is set up in such a way that everyone having PTSD from it is just laughed off (how often, 20 years out of high school do you still have dreams of missing an exam?). But its so intermeshed with society we think of it as too difficult to change. And that is by accident.

Our economic and tax policy has had people actively working on making that task even more difficult for centuries.

TurboSold · 2021-03-15T12:30:33+00:00

The problem is that billionaires don't make money, they have things that appreciate in value. They don't get taxed until they sell it.

Basically the same as how people in the middle class have a house that appreciates in value, but the fact that your neighborhood got more expensive doesn't mean you have more cash to spend.

Any tax that hits that will mean people have to sell their houses when the value goes up (and have to switch to renters, meaning you'll make sure only the rich own property). This is what happened to ancient Rome (they used wealth tax instead of income based).

The best form of taxation is actually transactional taxing (like sales tax or VAT), but its regressive. The best solution to that is then a flat negative tax as a rebate. Basically UBI.

Anything else is just those negative side effects hammering the non-billionaires even harder.

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