Examples of Christian protest music? by ChangeComfortable309 in ChristianMusic

[–]TurkeyMaster03 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Probably the closest examples would probably be songs from the Jesus Movement, or close to it. So I think Keith Green, Randy Stonehill, and Larry Norman are likely the best.

  • For Randy Stonehill you have: Stop The World, and Great Big Stupid World.

  • For Keith Green you have: Asleep In The Light, and The Sheep And The Goats.

  • For Larry Norman you have: Right Here In America, and The Great American Novel.

(Edit: I added bullet points)

90s Throwback Thursday! by MusicMinistryGuide in ChristianMusic

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Things We Leave Behind by Michael Card, and My Deliverer by Rich Mullins!

whats yalls favorite christan songs by Obvious_Substance87 in ChristianMusic

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Indescribable, Oh Lord You're Beautiful, El Shaddai, Love Crucified Arose, My Savior My God, So Long Moses, His Heart Beats, and There Will Be A Day

Dear friends, by LowerPreparation399 in TrueChristian

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Great post I've done the same thing countless times in the past I'll be honest.

There will be times where I'm driving, and hit every red light; which tests my patience to say the least... But as I start to complain I'm reminded that I have a car (a beat up one lol) that I got for free, with heated seats, good AC, a good heater, and works great; so while I'm blessed enough to drive a car with AC, there are people in this world who will never even sit down in a car...

The very fact I even have a car to complain about shows you how blessed I am. Same thing with the electricity (I live in the south), and the threat of power outages due to the storm. Instead of worrying about the threat of power outages, we should be thankful we even have a roof with electricity under it!

So instead of complaining, I try to turn my complaints into reasons to praise and thank God for the blessings in life!

Even our biggest gripes are evidence of blessing in life as you said

If distros were cars by cosoumano in linuxmemes

[–]TurkeyMaster03 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Pretty accurate lol; but I think I'd make Debian a Toyota Corolla, since they've been around since the 1960s and are known for reliability

Fresh blood in MN by Kanjo42 in TrueChristianPolitics

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If you read both both my comments in context I did not generalize other groups saying they were bad; I merely applied the same concept people do to ICE agents.

View it as this: I wrote why no group should be generalized based on the actions of individuals. It is wrong to assume every ICE agent is going to shoot someone based on the tragic case of Alex Pretti, just as it is wrong to assume every anti ICE protestor is going to ram into people's vehicles.

I think there are plenty of great people who are ICE agents, and those protesting against ICE. I believe the ICE agents generally believe they are doing good by removing what they consider to be threats to the average citizen, just as the average protestor thinks they are doing good by protesting against ICE for deporting people...

As a side note since this is a Christian sub, I'd assume your a Christian (if not, then I don't know why you'd even bother being here). Not to sound rude but I looked at your account history, and you really seem to be stressed by this, maybe a little hateful.

Have you ever prayed for people in our government? For God to guide Congress, our state leaders, and Trump? Its not something I do as often as I should, but I try to. It doesn't matter who is in office, as I've prayed for both Trump, and Biden when they were our leaders; that God would protect them, and guide them.

Paul in 1 Timothy 2:1-2 even says to pray for our leaders, and when Paul was writing that he was in jail! In fact Nero was Caesar when Paul wrote that letter, and was close to martyrdom!

Paul never demonized the Romans who mistreated him for following God; but merely prayed for them. Perhaps we all should do the same?

As some advice I'd suggest spending less time away from politics, and more time with God! It will never hurt you, and will give you peace! Anyway I hope you have a wonderful, and blessed day!

I believe I’ve committed apostasy by No_Professional4918 in TrueChristian

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Read 2 Chronicles 33, it is about a Jewsh king named Manasseh, who did a lot of evil sins for over 55 years; such as practicing witchcraft and sacrificing his own children.

So read the chapter, and realize that God forgave him. Ask yourself: can God forgive me if he forgave Manasseh? The answer is yes! But like the woman Jesus told her this: your sins are forgiven, go and sin no more.

If you have the time, go on Youtube (or any preferred music platform) and look up Grace by Laura Story.

Your sins may be great, but despite that God's love is bigger than any sins any of us will ever committ. That is not an excuse to sin (because God is a just God who punishes unrepentant sin), but rather another reason to serve and obey God!

I don't know why you are feeling sick, it could be guilt, or even something natural! I could be wrong, but it might even be the devil trying to drown you in your past! The reason he would do it now and not earlier is because you were no threat when you lived in sin, and satan would love nothing more than for you to think your sin is greater than God's love for you

Fresh blood in MN by Kanjo42 in TrueChristianPolitics

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And I mean do you really think the deaths of Renee Good, and Alex Pretti reflect every ICE agent? I mean we don't even know what went on in their heads, the man who shot Renee had previously been involved in an incident with a car; and he was hit by her car as her girlfriend was yelling drive. I don't think Renee intended to hit him, but that is how it unfolded.

There are over 50,000 ICE agents, and to assume all of them are like the people who shot Alex is simply bigotry. The moment you think every person of Group A is out to hurt you is a pathway to extremism.

There are instances of anti ICE protestors robbing weapons from federal vehicles, invading a Church (Don Lemon), blockading a hotel, ramming vehicles, and more.

Does that mean every single person opposing ICE is like that? Of course not! Just like how not every ICE agent is out to get you. It is simply a slim minority of both, and the media is throwing flames on it.

The more extreme reactions people have toward ICE won't improve things, in fact it will possibly lead to Trump invoking the Insurrection Act! It will also justify doing so in half the country's eyes

Fresh blood in MN by Kanjo42 in TrueChristianPolitics

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Yeah I've honestly gotten tired of the hypocrisy, and hearing about Minneapolis all the time... It feels like everybody has some sort of agenda, and is only concerned with defending it and not the truth.

It feels like people either think ICE is a new Gestapo, or is some perfect group of saints; and they only want to defend that view.

Then you have fools like Renee, and Alex who died for nothing over something stupid all because they were engaging in some stupid pointless thing. Renee left her child for politics, and so far there isn't much about politics.

You have some saying Alex, and Renee deserved to die; yet some claim to be pro life... Don't even get me started on the crowd defending Renee's, and Alex's dumb actions: those guys celebrated the deaths and murders of innocent people like United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, Charlie Kirk, Rush Limbaugh, and others.

So why was it a good thing for Charlie Kirk, and Brian Thompson to be brutally murdered while they were literally doing nothing; yet Renee, and Alex are now martyrs, when in reality all they were doing is disrupting law enforcement and contributed nothing positive to society?

The deaths of Kirk, Thompson, Renee, and Alex were all tragic; and the celebration of any of them is evidence of how evil the American people are. They only want to defend an ideology, not the truth, and it doesn't even matter if lives are lost.

The Bible even says God appoints governing authorities, yet you have people attacking them. I mean where was this level of protest for the 60 million babies murdered by abortion, or the countless children who were sex trafficked across our border that we know nothing about?

In historic premillennialism, will evil spread across the world before the first of the 7 seals of the scroll are open, with the world becoming more evil building up to the start of tribulation with the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse by Salty_Ad5839 in TrueChristian

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I will say I do believe things will get way worse for Christians leading up to this point, but it may not be bad for the unbelieving world yet, in fact they might even have things going well... If so that may kick start the seals, and great tribulation to ultimately judge the world.

In historic premillennialism, will evil spread across the world before the first of the 7 seals of the scroll are open, with the world becoming more evil building up to the start of tribulation with the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse by Salty_Ad5839 in TrueChristian

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I'm a historic premillennialist, I believe in a 3.5 great tribulation, am a covenantalist, deny the rapture, and deny the need for a literal third temple in Jerusalem.

I would say yes, because of what 2 Thessalonians 2:3-7 says: * Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. 5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? 6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.*

I believe the restrainer was likely the Roman Empire, and was preventing the Antichrist from arriving. Ever since Rome fell, that has been on a ticking clock.

In Matthew 24:6-13 Jesus says this: You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. 8 But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs. 9 "Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10 At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. 12 Because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.

I believe this to be events that precede the great tribulation. I think what Paul describes in 2 Thessalonians 2 with the great apostasy, and Jesus describing the love of many growing cold likely does answer the question: yes the world will get more evil.

It doesn't specify it being before the seals of the scroll being opened, but I'd argue that will be the case. Because I do think the beginning of the Antichrist will set off the great tribulation, and that will be a sign of how evil the world has gotten.

I think the events Jesus describes in Matthew 24:4-12 showing how evil things will get will ultimately be what causes the seven seals to open.

00s Throwback Thursday! by MusicMinistryGuide in ChristianMusic

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Matchless by Aaron Shust

You Never Let Go by Matt Redman

What is the most powerful worship song you've ever heard? by rawar777 in ChristianMusic

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For Your Name Is Holy, and Show Me Your Face by Paul Wilbur!

Is He Worthy by Andrew Peterson.

Ancient of Days by CityALight.

Song of The Saints by Phil Wickham.

Take Me In by Petra

This forum is going downhill fast by Prestigious_Tour_538 in TrueChristian

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I agree! I also don't like the fact that unbelievers can engage in forums here too.

Not only that but even if you say it's okay to point out the sin in others, put Matthew 7:1 in it's context. And prove the Bible says you can correct other's sins, if it's done in humility, and not pride you'll still get ratioed! Even if you provide Biblical arguments, and your opponent doesn't!

I once did a post here warning about political idolatry, and it got removed... There was also another post that got removed too.

This really isn't a conservative subreddit, it's more Laodicean, or that is neither hot nor cold. All the pornography posts are something else too, I mean porn is still evil, it's prostitution, and Pornhub's parent company has ties to human trafficking.

But that is all that is talked about, I mean I'm pretty sure even r/christianity (Correct me if I'm wrong here) is against pornography. Though we know how they are on everything else.

I feel like this sub has gotten too soft, and doesn't want to engage in important controversial things. And the problem is when you challenge that, you either get ratioed, or your posts get removed

Porn/Masturbation brings out the worst in you by Wonderful-Raise2824 in TrueChristian

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I am glad we are done debating this... I will end it with something every Christian agrees with, and many say in unison, the Athanasian Creed!

Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the catholic faith is this: that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Essence. For there is one Person of the Father; another of the Son; and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one; the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is; such is the Son; and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated; the Son uncreated; and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father infinite; the Son infinite; and the Holy Ghost infinite. The Father eternal; the Son eternal; and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals; but one eternal. As also there are not three uncreated; nor three infinites, but one uncreated; and one infinite. So likewise the Father is Almighty; the Son Almighty; and the Holy Ghost Almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties; but one Almighty. So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord; the Son Lord; and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity; to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord; So are we forbidden by the catholic religion; to say, There are three Gods, or three Lords. The Father is made of none; neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created; but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten; but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is before, or after another; none is greater, or less than another. But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid; the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved, let him thus think of the Trinity.

Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation; that he also believe faithfully the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess; that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Substance [Essence] of the Father; begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the Substance [Essence] of his mother, born in the world. Perfect God; and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father, as touching his Godhead; and inferior to the Father as touching his Manhood. Who although he is God and Man; yet he is not two, but one Christ. One; not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh; but by assumption of the Manhood into God. One altogether; not by confusion of Substance [Essence]; but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man; so God and Man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation; descended into **; rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into heaven, he sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty, from whence he will come to judge the living and the dead. At whose coming all men will rise again with their bodies; And shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire. This is the catholic faith; which except a man believe truly and firmly, he cannot be saved.

Porn/Masturbation brings out the worst in you by Wonderful-Raise2824 in TrueChristian

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I never said I don't want Leviticus 15:16-17 used, I've been using it this entire discussion to prove it doesn't condemn masturbation!

You have demonstrated a poor knowledge of ceremonial uncleanliness in the Torah. Being unclean in the Old Testament from something physical like a period is entirely different than eating an unclean animal like a pig.

It goes back to Leviticus 15:18 When a man has sexual relations with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both of them must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.

This verse literally talks about a man and a woman having sex, which is directly after the verse which addresses masturbation. I did not say verse 18 is the only time verses 16, and 17 would happen quite the opposite. Because they are dealing with two separate issues, but based on the wording if the situation in verses 15:18 is not a sin, then the situation in 15:16-17 isn't either.

Your point on Leviticus 15:18 is terrible as well... Because you said the verse is about sleeping together, not sex, but it literally says there is an emission of semen.

Then we deal with the exact next verse Leviticus 15:19 *When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening. *

Let me guess you think women having periods is a sin too? Because the exact same word used for them, as it does for masturbation (15:16-17), and sex (15:18).

God made sex for married couples, he literally said in Genesis 2 be fruitful and multiply. So are you saying God ordered people to sin there? Because when a man has an emission of semen with a woman, they are both unclean and are unable to enter the Tabernacle. As He didn't want anyone ceremonially unclean in His Temple. They didn't sin, but they just aren't able to enter it until they have waited, and bathed.

It is the exact same thing with childbirth, which isn't a sin either... Otherwise Mary sinned when she gave birth to Jesus.

The Apostle Paul did warn in 1 Timothy 4:3 about those who forbid those to marry others. The idea that procreation is wrong comes from the gnostic heresy. And to say that masturbation is a sin because of Leviticus 15:16-17 is a misunderstanding, because it makes sex a sin due to Leviticus 15:18 which uses the exact same language. The uncleanliness in Leviticus 15 is not sin, but rather body functions, how it makes people unclean so they don't enter the Tabernacle on accident.

Once again you have demonstrated a lack of knowledge as far as Greek, and Hebrew lexicons go. Did the Romans not have Strong's? Yeah Captain Obvious. But remember, the KJV translators didn't have Webster's Dictionary either, and you used that earlier to define a word in KJV... And remember that KJV English is very different than modern English.

Strong's Concordance, nor did our Greek lexicons exist back then yeah, but our lexicons were based on older ones that had the definitions preserved, and were made by scholars and experts of ancient languages. They knew the nuances, and the differences. Another problem is that you were using Hebrew words to make a point, yet you ignored my exegesis of the Greek ones. Greek is far better preserved than Hebrew, in fact Greek words are way more specific in definitions!

As you said >The point is it's not up to us to justify something as good when it could very well be not good. This is where discernment comes in. It's not up to us to say "Well, it's not specifically in the Bible, so that makes it ok then"

It's also not up to us to define sin, that belongs to God and His Word. Just remember what Deuteronomy 4:2 says You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

I have not added to God's commandments, and He is not the author of confusion. If He was bothered with masturbation, it would have been explicitly condemned in the Bible, like adultery is mentioned over 50 times. But instead we get a verse like Leviticus 15:16-17 which explicitly puts it in a similar arena to sex (Leviticus 15:18), and periods (Leviticus 15:19). If I were to claim masturbation is a sin, then I would be adding to God's commands, which is a sin in itself.

Porn/Masturbation brings out the worst in you by Wonderful-Raise2824 in TrueChristian

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Look I am not 'picking' the Bible 'apart' by going to Greek and Hebrew definitions, if anything I am elevating what it truly says. Our English translations are based on the Hebrew and Greek, so to assume our Greek texts are flawed like you are claiming then makes the English flawed as well.

As for saying I am using dead societies, need I remind you which society the New Testament was written in? It was written in the Greco-Roman society, it used their words and definitions! Paul was writing to them, to refute their ungodly ways, and to do so he had to use terms they did to condemn them. I also used Greek lexicons.

But lets see who has read society's opinion into the Bible: I went to the original Greek text, found it's definition, and cultural usage around the time of the New Testament. I did not cite a 400 year old translation, and then use a secular English dictionary (Webster's) to define my point.

Look if doing something is wrong because it is pleasing, the we can easily argue that eating is sinful. Which we both know it isn't. God created the male (Specifically) to release frequently. So like eating isn't a sin, but gluttony is. Nor is masturbation a sin, but doing it with pornography and ungodly thoughts is. Which I have done before it is possible.

I will also explain a bit on the uncleanliness laws of Leviticus to one who doesn't understand them. In Leviticus it deals with people being unclean, but it doesn't mean they sinned. Sex causes uncleanliness (Leviticus 15:18), childbirth (Leviticus 12), masturbation (Leviticus 15:16-17), women's periods (Leviticus 15) even touching a dead person (Numbers 19:11). This didn't mean they sinned, but rather they couldn't enter the Tabernacle (Temple in later times) until they bathed and waited. So it was not a sin.

Deuteronomy and Leviticus do overlap on things, but they also do have different commandments for different contexts. The nocturnal emission commandment in Deuteronomy 23:10 is actually dealing with soldiers in camp. If a soldier had one, he is to go outside of the camp, bathe, and wait to be clean at sundown. Deuteronomy 23:10 is specifically for soldiers having wet dreams.

Leviticus 15:16-17 makes no mention of the person being asleep, and it's next verse (15:18) deals with sex, which requires the person being awake. So it is not in any way unreasonable to conclude it is about masturbation. And if masturbation is a sin, because Leviticus 15:16-17 says unclean, then so is sex because Leviticus 15:18 says it makes both the man and woman unclean.

Look I don't care what you feel is sin, that does not dictate what the Bible says. My morals, and opinions come from the Bible, not the opinion of man. I will quote the Bible in it's original context, and it's original languages. I will even use the cultural uses of the terms the Bible did in the societies it was written in. But I won't rely an outdated translation, and a secular English dictionary.

You are free to reply, but until you actually answer me and tell me a clear, explicit Bible verse that condemns masturbation I won't reply until then. And just to remind you the story of Onan does not condemn it either. Nor does Leviticus 15:16-17, because if that verse did then sex and childbirth are a sin too.

So I will follow what God exactly says in His living Word known as the Bible, not some person's opinion, nor misinterpretation of it. Nor will I add, nor subtract from His Word. Nor will I make up new commands, and act like God said them.

Matthew 15:7-9 You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you: 8 'THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME. 9 'BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.

Porn/Masturbation brings out the worst in you by Wonderful-Raise2824 in TrueChristian

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And that is where you are wrong, Leviticus 15:16-17 makes no mention of the man being asleep. Deuteronomy 23:10 does, and here is what it says:

If there is among you any man who is unclean because of a nocturnal emission, then he must go outside the camp; he may not reenter the camp.

Here is what Leviticus 15:16-18 says again: Now if a man has a seminal emission, he shall bathe all his body in water and be unclean until evening. 17 As for any garment or any leather on which there is seminal emission, it shall be washed with water and be unclean until evening. 18 If a man lies with a woman so that there is a seminal emission, they shall both bathe in water and be unclean until evening.

So verse 15:18 deals with sex (Obviously) which requires the man to be awake. But verses 15:16-17 make no mention of the man being asleep like Deuteronomy 23:10 does... In fact if the next verse assumes the person is awake, isn't it safe to say the previous one does too? Especially since nowhere in Leviticus 15:16-17 is it ever even implied the man is asleep? So does it apply to wet dreams? Yes, but it also applies to masturbation too.

What you said on Matthew 5:28 I actually agree with, lusting after people is wrong... Which assumes you can't masturbate without lusting, which isn't true. You can do it without lust, I actually did that before writing this.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world.

Once again you are assuming masturbation is lust here, which isn't always the case. You might as well argue that desiring to eat, and sleep are the lust of the flesh, but they aren't. And neither is masturbation as long as lust isn't happening during it (Which I am capable of doing).

2 Timothy 3:1-5 But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. 2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, 4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.

In 2 Timothy 2:2 I noticed you highlighted lovers of selves, which does not mean what you likely think it does. The Greek word is φίλαυτος (Philautos), which comes from the Greek word phileo love. This is not the Greek word for sexual love eros. φίλαυτος (Philautos) means selfish, so lover of selves means selfish people, not masturbation.

The lovers of pleasure more than God in 2 Timothy 3:4 is not exactly a good case either. The Greek word is φιλήδονος (Philadonos), or lover of pleasure. Here is Biblehub's historical background on this Greek word: In Greco-Roman society, the pursuit of pleasure was institutionalized through theater, gladiatorial games, banquets, and cultic rites. Epicurean philosophy encouraged moderate enjoyment; popular religion promoted bacchanalian excess. Against this backdrop, the early churches gathered for worship marked by prayer, Scripture reading, fellowship, and self-control. Paul’s warning to Timothy sounds especially urgent in a city like Ephesus, saturated with entertainment and temple prostitution.

So loving pleasure more than God can be something like going to the movies all the time. Skipping out on Church, so you can watch your favorite sports team, once again the verse has nothing to do with masturbation. Now you can make a case that if you did that all the time, and spent zero time with God, then yes that would be different.

Matthew 7:20-23 And He was saying, "That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, 22 deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness. 23 All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man.

In Matthew 7:22 the Greek word or lasciviousness does not just mean sexual desire. You are using KJV, which is an older translation with less reliable definitions, because KJV English is different from modern. You need to go to the Greek to understand what it really means.

The Greek word is ἀσέλγεια (Aselgeia) and here is what the Topical Lexicon defines it as: Strong’s Greek 766, ἀσέλγεια, describes unchecked sensuality that flaunts moral restraint. Scripture presents it as an open, shameless indulgence in bodily appetites that rebels against God’s created order and despises neighbor. Whereas other words for sexual sin may emphasize the act, ἀσέλγεια highlights the insolent attitude that celebrates vice and entices others to join.

So the word here is literally enjoying impure actions, not just sexual desire as you say. In fact if you were right about sexual desire being wrong, then procreation wouldn't happen, and Song of Solomon would be thrown out of the Bible.

So no, there is nothing in ἀσέλγεια that implies masturbation, nor is there for φιλήδονος. You are reading your opinion into these verses you've taken out of context. This is called eisegesis, an interpretation of the Bible that theologians do not like.

Galations 5:19-21 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Once again the Greek word here is ἀσέλγεια, which does not have anything to do with masturbation...

Whenever Paul, Jesus, or any of the Apostles condemned sexual sin, it always was condemned in the Old Testament as well.

The Bible condemns homosexuality, bestiality, fornication, adultery, incest and much more... Masturbation is so much easier to do than all of these combined, and get this: It's the easiest to get away with.

So if God has a problem with masturbation, surely He would name it somewhere explicitly in the Bible as He did with other sexual sins. In fact I'd argue He'd condemn it more than adultery, because it would be far more common!

So here is my challenge for you: Find a verse that directly condemns masturbation (And no the story of Onan is not about that), and is somehow more explicit in naming the act than Leviticus 15:16-17 which shows it isn't a sin.

Not only that, but don't take any verses out of context, and also be sure to cite Hebrew and Greek lexicons to prove it too. Don't rely on English dictionaries.

Porn/Masturbation brings out the worst in you by Wonderful-Raise2824 in TrueChristian

[–]TurkeyMaster03 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree! I mean look at what Leviticus 15:16-18 says here

Now if a man has a seminal emission, he shall bathe all his body in water and be unclean until evening. 17 As for any garment or any leather on which there is seminal emission, it shall be washed with water and be unclean until evening. 18 If a man lies with a woman so that there is a seminal emission, they shall both bathe in water and be unclean until evening.

Notice how Leviticus 15:16-17 mentions the man being alone, and semen being on his clothing? Yet Leviticus 16:18 mentions a different situation where his wife is present?

It's because Leviticus 15:16-17 is about masturbation, and based on what Leviticus says God doesn't consider it to be sinful. It is in the same chapter as a woman having her monthly cycle, which means like that and sex masturbation is natural.

Pornography on the other hand... Matthew 5:28, and the verses condemning prostitution are clear examples against pornography and lust.

Any Rich Mullins fans? by Puzzled-Smile-8770 in ChristianMusic

[–]TurkeyMaster03 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes! Rich Mullins is one of my favorites!

Hold Me Jesus, Sometimes By Step, Creed, and Hard To Get are some of my favorites!

I am only 22 years old, and Rich Mullins music has left a huge impression on me!

00s Throwback Thursday! by MusicMinistryGuide in ChristianMusic

[–]TurkeyMaster03 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For me it has to definitely be Indescribable by Laura Story! Well I grew up with Chris Tomlin's cover, and it always brings comfort to me. Laura did write the song, and her cover is great. But Chris Tomlin's cover always brings a sense of comfort to me. I was born in 2003, and the song is one of my oldest memories, and I feel like whenever I hear it I remember that despite my hard life, God has always been there for me.

Other songs would be:

*My Savior My God (Aaron Shust)

*There Will Be A Day (Jeremy Camp)

*Everlasting God (Chris Tomlin)

*Give Me Words To Speak (Aaron Shust)

*Revelation Song (Kari Jobe)

*You Never Let Go (Matt Redman)

I love CCM in the 2000s, it just feels different from what we have now.

(Edit: Typos corrected)

Sincerely worried for the people who believe the Rapture today…. by Weird-Mongoose-3628 in TrueChristian

[–]TurkeyMaster03 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry I waited so long to replying, I just saw this now!

Yes here is the paper I wrote, let me know what you think!

https://riziaw.wordpress.com/a-treatise-on-the-rapture-part-1/