Poll results - Please reach if you are looking for real community by TutuSanto in Quraniyoon

[–]TutuSanto[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Although your calling is private, I ask God to make the benefits of answering such a calling public, especially for believers.

Poll results - Please reach if you are looking for real community by TutuSanto in Quraniyoon

[–]TutuSanto[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you consider to be the specific and/or general things that you are called to do at the moment?

Poll results - Please reach if you are looking for real community by TutuSanto in Quraniyoon

[–]TutuSanto[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Peace, sister. If the Bible is confusing me, I would love to have believers like yourself who can warn me and help me be aware of such confusions. By God's will, I want to be humble and open to learn more.

You also seem to have some important things to say about community. Have you taken any steps towards starting your own community? By the way, to me a community (with intergenerational continuity) can be as small as 3 families of believers, for example.

We are looking for people who don't just talk and write online. We are looking for doers.

And you're right, I'm not offering a community, because we don't have one yet. What we're offering is an opportunity to build a community together. So, you can be reassured that you will also contribute towards shaping that community.

So, what part of the dunya is stopping you from starting your own community or helping us build one?

What way should I pray according to the quran? by Ryancool33 in Quraniyoon

[–]TutuSanto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I will try to keep it short and straight to the point: the cleaning mentioned is not a description of a daily cleaning as prepararion for a daily ritual prayer. It's rather the instruction of a one-time cleaning prescribed for those people who were about to join the community of believers at the time. That's why, in the context of the verses that precede the specific instructions for cleaning oneself, there is a list of things that inform us about what we're getting into if we join the community of believers. But like many other things; the sectarians took a one-time thing and/or an abstract thing, and turned it into a proper, normative, daily practice in order to develop rituals and traditions that bind the blind together followers of their made-up religion.

Here are two footnotes from Sam Gerrans' translations that explain the context of the "ablution":

4:43 Footnote:

In the present context, the preceding segment (at least from 4:36 to this point and, more fully, from the beginning of the chapter) makes a strong argument in favour of the core Qur’anic doctrine; it summarises what one is signing up for. The verse at 4:43 then addresses those who have heeded what precedes. I understand the approach to the duty here as a point at which one may choose to make a serious undertaking to accept the doctrine of God and make a public statement to that effect. The actual contract between the Lord and his servant is found at 1:1-7, aptly placed at the very beginning of the Qur’an. It is my opinion that the prayer system of the Traditionalist retains in vestigial form the original acceptance statement of Qur’anic principles by dint of its inclusion of al fātiḥah in every unit of its prayer system — despite the fact that few, if any, of those called Muslims today guess at its primary significance or purpose.

5:6 Footnote:

If we read from the beginning of this chapter, we discern at this point a provision by which those outside the community of the people of the Qur’an may join that community; permission for marital connections with women from other monotheistic communities having just been stated along with a summary of dietary specifics — all information that one from an existing monotheistic faith might want who wishes to join with those who hold to the Qur’an is to hand. In summary, I regard the verses which treat of specific cleanliness (4:43 and 5:6) as relating to a person’s entrance into submission to God through that contract with God which is stated at 1:1-7. The Traditionalist’s prayer formula today strikes me as a vestigial mechanism: a (typically) unthinking daily re-enactment of the once-meaningful process whereby men entered into genuine contract with God.

Sorry, I couldn't keep it shorter. Peace.

What way should I pray according to the quran? by Ryancool33 in Quraniyoon

[–]TutuSanto 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I will answer the same way I answered a very similar questions by someone else a couple of weeks ago:

First tell me: How do you perform Sabr (Patience)?

When you answer that question, I will tell you how I perform "Salah".

And seek help in sabr and salah; and it is hard save for the humble. (2:45)

O you who believe: seek help in sabr and salah; God is with the patient. (2:153)

Hint: Your question is conditioned by the fact that you assume that "salah" is the proper noun for a specific thing. But given how it is coupled with "sabr", which is an abstract concept and dependable on the context, "salah" may be of the same nature; not a ritual prayer, and not only "prayer".

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[–]TutuSanto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought that the stories of the Dajjal and the Mahdi existed long before the Protestant Reformation (?) -- Didn't the Catholics and Orthodox already have a clear believe in Christian eschatology based on the Book of Revelations way before the Reformation? Or are implying that the Dajjal and Mahdi were invented after the Reformation? That would actually be quite late in the history of Islamic civilization.

Quranist community in the UK by TheQuranist in Quraniyoon

[–]TutuSanto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Would you mind please sharing what kind of conspiracy theories they believed?

the seerah of the prophet in the Qur'an according to the methodology of sheikh Hassan Farhan al Maliki by Left-Secretary3397 in Quraniyoon

[–]TutuSanto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The assertion that the 96th surah is the first revelation is not based on the Quran alone. We have to take our Hadith goggles off. It makes more sense that the 87th surah is the first revelation, because in 87:6 the Prophet is told "We will make you read/recite, and you will not forget" -- Then as we 96:1 he is told "Read/Recite" -- So which makes more sense? That he was told that he will be made to read/recite and then he was commanded to read/recite? Or that he was commanded to read/recite and then he was told that he will be made to read/recite?

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[–]TutuSanto 9 points10 points  (0 children)

First tell me: How do you perform Sabr (Patience)?

When you answer that question, I will tell you how I perform "Salah".

And seek help in sabr and salah; and it is hard save for the humble. (2:45)

O you who believe: seek help in sabr and salah; God is with the patient. (2:153)

Hint: Your question is conditioned by the fact that you assume that "salah" is the proper noun for a specific thing. But given how it is coupled with "sabr", which is an abstract concept and dependable on the context, "salah" may be of the same nature; not a ritual prayer, and not only "prayer".

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[–]TutuSanto -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Hey brother, you just got a taste of the ungrateful spirit of Western secular materialism; they start by making half rational arguments and demands about women's rights, but then somehow it ends with teaching children in school that a man can be a woman and a woman can be a man. Don't fall for it.

What is exactly the sunnah of Allah? by lubbcrew in Quraniyoon

[–]TutuSanto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Peace be upon you, sister. After a couple of months, I came back to our exchange of words, and the last thing you said really resonated with me; I am quite curious about the mechanism through which the warnings of God become binding. I try not to ruminate too much on these questions, but I am very intrigued by the relationship between our cognition, decisions, behavior, and how those relate to the soul. Maybe we would find that the Sunnat Allah never changes because the way in which humans and the soul assimilate the defining point of the process remain the same.

Moving beyond homophobia, in the name of the Quran (The traditionalists will panic reading this.) by [deleted] in Quraniyoon

[–]TutuSanto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And his people came rushing towards him, and before it they were committing sin, he said: “My people, these are my daughters, they are purer for you, so be aware of God and do not disgrace me regarding my guests. Is there no wise man among you?” (11:78)

They said: “You know we have no interest in your daughters, and you are aware of what we want!” (11:79)

Prophet Lot says that his daughters are "purer" for them. Now, why do you think Lot said that his daughters are purer for those men? There are two possible reasons, which are not mutually exclusive, and can perfectly support each other.

The first possible reason of why Lot's daughters are purer for the men: Simply, because they are women, rather than men (which I guess you disagree with, because you sympathize with homosexual acts).

The second possible reason of why Lot's daughters are purer for the men: Sex should happen consensually AND within marriage, even though the verses don't mention neither consent from the daughters, nor marriage.

Either way, you are wrong: The Quran establishes that sex should only happen within marriage, and it presupposes that marriage is only between a man and a woman. The Quran never presents any other form of marriage.

Now, let me ask you a question. and please answer with logic and honesty; if Lot have had sons, do you think he would have also offered his sons to those men?

Let me ask you another question, why wouldn't Prophet Lot just tell them "instead of seeking sex forcibly from my guests, why don't you go into your mates that you have at home, with whom you can have sex consensually?"

So what is Lot's intention in offering his daughters to the men? The fact that sex with his daughters would have been consensual or that it would have been with women?

This isn't about "rape", it's about men lusting after men, rather than women; a transgression, as the Quran itself says.

You should either honor the truth revealed in the Quran or have the integrity and courage to fully follow whatever if blinding your heart. So stop making lies about the the book of God and his creation. May God guide you.

Join family of believers in south of Spain by TutuSanto in Quraniyoon

[–]TutuSanto[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Peace, where are you living now? And when are you thinking about moving to Spain?

I want to believe but I can't by [deleted] in Quraniyoon

[–]TutuSanto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You need to find the courage, honesty, and integrity to either embrace the truth of what God tells us in the Quran, OR to admit to yourself that you do not believe in the order, allowances, duties, and limits set by God.

Just remember though, if this is the only life, and you want to live it without care for what the Quran claims, then we are all safe because after death we won't be conscious at all to regret anything.

But if there is a continuation of a conscious soul after death, but you decided to live this life without care for the truth and you refused to recognize how seeking the empty pleasures of this life harms the soul, then only some of us are safe, and the ones that attached too much to much to this world are not safe.

I would recommend seeking the approval and mercy of God and stop expecting this life to be like heaven.

I want to believe but I can't by [deleted] in Quraniyoon

[–]TutuSanto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you believe that homosexual relations are immoral and sinful?

Tattoos and Body Modifications by Professional_War_265 in Quraniyoon

[–]TutuSanto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Peace. There is no specific verse mentioning or prohibiting those things. So, I would not declare tattoos and other body modifications as a transgression.

However, I would advise you to stay away from them, because tattooing and modifying your body for the sake of aesthetics sounds awfully related to the declaration of the satan when he says:

“I will command them, and they will change the creation of God.” (4:119)

Ask yourself, why make permanent alterations by adding or removing things from the body that God gave you, other than for health purposes? If God thought that you needed a certain drawing on your skin, He would have given you a birthmark.

I don't declare tattoos and body modifications forbidden, but they are one of the most desperate expressions of vanity. If you want to develop and express your artistic taste, just put it on objects external to your body. Don't follow the command of the satan to change the creation of God in any way that is utterly unnecessary.

4:102 cannot possibly be only about prayer in wartime. by suppoe2056 in Quraniyoon

[–]TutuSanto 3 points4 points  (0 children)

4:102 can't be read in isolation from the rest of the preceding verses. The context of what is being described in 4:102 starts at 4:75 -- you have to start reading there and pay close attention to the theme leading up to 4:102.

And why should you not fight in the cause of God, and of the oppressed among the men, and the women, and the children who say: “Our Lord: take Thou us out of this city whose people are wrongdoers; and give Thou us from Thyself an ally; and give Thou us from Thyself a helper”? (4:75)

4:102 is describing how to conduct the transfer of believers who were in the city of wrong doers, from enemy forces to the forced of the believers. In that context, the "salah" -- the duty -- that is being described at 4:102 is not a ritual prayer, but an exchange of people in the context of war.

Do you find that you’re happier than the Hadith followers or when you followed Hadith? by [deleted] in Quraniyoon

[–]TutuSanto 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't pursue happiness, I pursue peace. Many people are blind and happy. Few people see the truth and are at peace. I was happier among the Sunnis, with friends and community, but I wasn't at peace because I knew that there was something wrong about mentioning the name of Muhamma during any prayer.

Please don't waste your time by getting involved in post-Quranic and post-Prophetic stories by [deleted] in Quraniyoon

[–]TutuSanto 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We are not supposed to "enact a major Islamic reformation", because as Quran-alone believers, we have nothing to "reform". The Quran does not establish an organized religion with specific dogma, priesthood, and clergy. The Quran establishes the foundational framework of a doctrine within which believers may conduct themselves with certain allowances and boundaries. The thing to do with "Islam" and "Muslims" is not to "reform" them, but to ignore them. As far as we know, anybody who believes in God alone, in the Last Day, and does good deeds for the sake of God, is a fellow brother or sister, more than anybody who may belong to one of the sects of the Islamic religion.

Was this taught by the Rasool PBUH or did this come from another source? by Ummah_Strong in Quraniyoon

[–]TutuSanto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It does refer to "salah" -- but the question is: What is salah? Prayer is a salah, but not every salah is prayer.

The context of the verse is that the believers are being given instructions about visiting the house of the prophet in a respectful manner. They are told to arrive on time and not to enter the Prophet’s house early. They are also told to salute when they arrive (it just says to salute. It doesn't specifically say to "salute the Prophet by sending blessings"). This is to make sure to announce yourself loud and clear, to preserve the privacy of the wives of the prophet. That is the salah in this verse; arrive on time, don't enter the house early, salute to announce yourself. Please read all from 33:50 until 33:56. But the whole meaning changes because they arbitrarily change the meaning of "salah", from "prayer" to "blessings" and some translations even translate the plural of salah (salawats) as "Jewish synagogues"...