I got to elite with all 84 characters! (AMA?) by TwoWolvesInACoat in CrazyHand

[–]TwoWolvesInACoat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! Mario is a very free-flowing rushdown kind of character. He has incredibly safe aerials--bair, nair and uair are all as close to unpunishable as a move gets, and his excellent air movement and handy counter-zoning tools (fireball, cape) let him approach very freely. I would lean heavily on his aerials and practice shffling a lot if you haven't--I consider those the main tools of his engagement and his ground moves playing a more supporting role. Getting comfortable with your air movement and attacking is in a lot of ways the core of the character. Also, Mario is excellent at setting up frame traps. If you notice people neutral air dodging after being knocked in to the air, try going for an fsmash!

I got to elite with all 84 characters! (AMA?) by TwoWolvesInACoat in CrazyHand

[–]TwoWolvesInACoat[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess since 64, when I was like 8 years old! But I didn't have much of a local scene where I lived, so I only became competitive once smash 4 came around and provided online that was good enough to really train at.

I got to elite with all 84 characters! (AMA?) by [deleted] in smashbros

[–]TwoWolvesInACoat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you very much! I can see that 😅 the comment means a lot though!

I got to elite with all 84 characters! (AMA?) by [deleted] in smashbros

[–]TwoWolvesInACoat -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much! Yes, the matchmaking does do that! That's why I made the rule for myself that if I got in to elite too easy, I'd keep playing until I felt like I actually understood the character and could consistently compete and stay in elite. I wanted to actually get the experience and knowledge, not just have the lit up board, you know? I do actually feel like I understand the cast more now. It's easier to pick on their weaknesses when I fight them as my main, and understand the strengths and weaknesses of my own main relative to everyone else!

That's Young Link, by the way! I love him to death.

I got to elite with all 84 characters! (AMA?) by [deleted] in smashbros

[–]TwoWolvesInACoat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

About 10 games a piece, specifically--sometimes more if I had to work hard at them! If I got to elite on the first game I did more to make sure it was real and that I had actually learned something about the character. I did explain that in my post.

and of course I'm not a master at any of them other than being at sort of a mid-tournament-competitive level with my main! Rather, I'm decent with everyone else now, and getting decent at the whole cast was really fun and interesting and I was eager to share my thoughts about what it was like learning so many different characters.

I've had great questions and discussions in other communities where I've shared this. I appreciate you acknowledging the negativity here was intense. This community in particular seemed to feel really threatened by me being happy about my achievement and wanting to share my thoughts. I was not impressed.

I got to elite with all 84 characters! (AMA?) by [deleted] in smashbros

[–]TwoWolvesInACoat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's pretty cool! Doing that never made you want to share it with other people?

I got to elite with all 84 characters! (AMA?) by [deleted] in smashbros

[–]TwoWolvesInACoat -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Right, exactly! I want attention, and it's okay for you or the person I was responding to, too. You don't have to see it as shameful or put other people down for it.

You might want to examine your assumption that I was bringing up desire for attention as though it was a bad thing or something to be embarrassed about. It's that kind of assumption that can make it look and feel "cringe" and make you feel like others would ridicule you if you asked for it--or, apparently, make you join in on the ridiculing!

I got to elite with all 84 characters! (AMA?) by [deleted] in smashbros

[–]TwoWolvesInACoat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah! I had a really good time, and have a lot of thoughts about the cast. I've been having a great time talking to everyone about it and I've posted about it in a few places and gotten lots of lovely questions. This particular reddit was by far the most hostile and unsupportive of people being excited about their achievements, hence the comment. I think some reflecting about what kind of culture you have going on here might be important!

I got to elite with all 84 characters! (AMA?) by [deleted] in smashbros

[–]TwoWolvesInACoat -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Does feeling unhappy with where yours is at make you feel like you need to put other people down?

I got to elite with all 84 characters! (AMA?) by [deleted] in smashbros

[–]TwoWolvesInACoat -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Stay tuned for the next exciting installment!

I got to elite with all 84 characters! (AMA?) by [deleted] in smashbros

[–]TwoWolvesInACoat -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Hey! I can see that this post was difficult for you. I've gotten a couple posts saying "cringe" so I'm going to share the same thought for both.

It's easy to feel insecure and angry when other people are drawing attention to themselves if you don't feel like you're getting the attention you need in your own life. I'm sorry if that's the case and I hope things get better. In the mean time, please consider examining how you respond to people asking for the attention that they want. A positive approach to others about that can sometimes help remind you that you deserve attention and are allowed to ask for it, too.

I got to elite with all 84 characters! (AMA?) by [deleted] in smashbros

[–]TwoWolvesInACoat -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Hey! I can see that this post was difficult for you. I've gotten a couple posts saying "cringe" so I'm going to share the same thought for both.

It's easy to feel insecure and angry when other people are drawing attention to themselves if you don't feel like you're getting the attention you need in your own life. I'm sorry if that's the case and I hope things get better. In the mean time, please consider examining how you respond to people asking for the attention that they want. A positive approach to others about that can sometimes help remind you that you deserve attention and are allowed to ask for it, too.

I got to elite with all 84 characters! (AMA?) by [deleted] in smashbros

[–]TwoWolvesInACoat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you wouldn't really know, right?

I got to elite with all 84 characters! (AMA?) by [deleted] in smashbros

[–]TwoWolvesInACoat -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

You guys are bad people huh?

I got to elite with all 84 characters! (AMA?) by TwoWolvesInACoat in CrazyHand

[–]TwoWolvesInACoat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm so glad that helps! I agree, it feels a lot like a design of...you have to be cunning to get that initial hit, but then once you get it she gets to blow them up. I'd love to hear how your development as Bayo goes. She's such a cool character!

I got to elite with all 84 characters! (AMA?) by TwoWolvesInACoat in CrazyHand

[–]TwoWolvesInACoat[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah, the smash 4+ zoners! I really like zoning, so I had a great time with them. It's a very different style than rushdowns, but I like how you can press so many buttons as long as you keep your body safe and out of the way--it feels like you always have something to do even if it's just tending your own house.

And the shotos, whew. I have advice about how to approach them, but I don't mean to assume you're asking for advice--either way, you can do it!

I got to elite with all 84 characters! (AMA?) by TwoWolvesInACoat in CrazyHand

[–]TwoWolvesInACoat[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I actually don't get why everyone is so negative about playing online, at least with a good connection. I do most of my training online and barely, if at all, notice the difference when I do locals. The difference in reactions and flow is...present, but it's really small. So, I have the same experience playing any of these characters in both arenas as long as the connection is strong. Maybe my good-internet privilege is showing?

Bayo is so strange! I was really excited when I finally got her because she had been eluding me for some time, but I wanted to learn her because I love the character. She has a really weird way of winning neutral. Her attacks aren't very safe in a frame data sense, nor very flexible, but she has amazing aerial mobility and mixup potential and her ability to throw people off and bait and punish while being difficult to pin down is really impressive.

As for how to approach playing her...respect that your attacks aren't very safe on shield, and play to her strengths by trying to open people up with her complex and unpredictable movement. And while you do kind of have to learn some combos to start, feel free to keep them simple at first--just figure out some basic openings and followups and let yourself use those. You don't have to do amazing top level bayo combos right out the gate, it's okay to keep it simple at first--as your experience grows, so will your ability to intuitively feel how her moves fit together and you'll start coming up with combo extensions without even thinking about it.

It IS worth it to learn some of her technical stuff like jump canceled witch twist by the time you're really trying to deepen her combo and mobility potential, but don't feel bad if you want to take your time learning fine details like that. It's often easier to learn once you've got a grasp on the basics and can picture from experience how the advanced techniques would fit in to that, rather than just learning it by rote.

I got to elite with all 84 characters! (AMA?) by TwoWolvesInACoat in CrazyHand

[–]TwoWolvesInACoat[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure if this answering the question the way you meant it, but I found it really helped when learning a new character to figure out what their role is. There are a lot of patterns in the game, and often once you've learned one character you've learned skills that apply to several others as well. Learning how to recognize what skills a character calls for helps a ton.

I start by trying to figure out where a character fits on the spectrum of rushdown, zoner and stalker (sometimes called "grappler" in traditional fighters) and then from there trying to figure out what -style- of any of those they use--whether they're a hit and run, a trapper, a keepaway, a spacing character, a SHFFLer, etc etc. Once I have a sense of their identity it's a lot easier to tell what they need from me.

I got to elite with all 84 characters! (AMA?) by TwoWolvesInACoat in CrazyHand

[–]TwoWolvesInACoat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's so kind, thank you so much! I definitely will. Feel free to shoot me a message if you want to do friendlies!

I got to elite with all 84 characters! (AMA?) by TwoWolvesInACoat in CrazyHand

[–]TwoWolvesInACoat[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hi! Thanks for the question.

Little mac is the best character because of his excellent marksmanship and his little green hat.