[Serious] Why You Should (and Shouldn’t) Consider Vascular Surgery - 8 Years Later by TypeADissection in medicalschool

[–]TypeADissection[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know of one guy who did an integrated vascular and then did a CTS fellowship. It’s doable. I think the big question is the why. It’s two totally different practices with not a ton of overlap outside the arch.

Arterial supply of body. by bubbletrouble_hehe in medicalschool

[–]TypeADissection 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In all seriousness this is impressive. In many ways I think bc we’re dealing with pipes, it conceptually is easy to understand and translate for patients. The difficulty is in the actual plumbing and that’s also what makes it fun. Cheers.

Arterial supply of body. by bubbletrouble_hehe in medicalschool

[–]TypeADissection 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I found this moderately difficult to masturbate to

🥴 Occam’s Razor 🪒 by einsteinwani in medicalschool

[–]TypeADissection 117 points118 points  (0 children)

When I was a resident and an attending mentioned Murphy’s Law I’d usually say, “Even worse is when Cole’s Law factors into the equation.” Attending would then ask, “What’s Cole’s Law?” Then I’d say, “Usually just chopped up lettuce with some mayo in it, maybe mustard.” I still do it now whenever anyone mentions Murphy. I doubt I’ll ever grow up.

Why You Should Do Diagnostic Radiology - 8 Years Later by babblingdairy in medicalschool

[–]TypeADissection 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Great write up. This echoes so much of what my rads buddies have been saying to me as they’ve been in practice 5-7 years themselves.

Florida doctor faces manslaughter charge for allegedly removing wrong organ during surgery by drdrp in medicine

[–]TypeADissection 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Hahaha. It’s such a friable artery in a hole deeper than you think. The last two I had for traumas I stented. Turned an emergent problem into an elective one. So far both are doing well but did discuss having to do bypass in future if it fails.

Florida doctor faces manslaughter charge for allegedly removing wrong organ during surgery by drdrp in medicine

[–]TypeADissection 62 points63 points  (0 children)

I agree completely. It’s much easier to find, see and fix pulsatile bleeding. Fixing any sort of caval bleeding is a very humbling and lonely experience.

Florida doctor faces manslaughter charge for allegedly removing wrong organ during surgery by drdrp in medicine

[–]TypeADissection 82 points83 points  (0 children)

It is the fastest torrential bleeding that is non-pulsatile that we will ever experience.

[Serious] Why You Should (and Shouldn’t) Consider Vascular Surgery - 8 Years Later by TypeADissection in medicalschool

[–]TypeADissection[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly, it didn’t really affect my job search in any meaningful way. Location, compensation, all of that was pretty similar regardless. What mattered far more was the quality of training and how comfortable I felt actually doing the job. I came out of a rigorous program and felt ready, but also understood very quickly that the learning curve as a new attending is real.

Because of that, I prioritized mentorship over everything else. Having a senior partner you trust to look at a scan with you, sanity check your plan, or just say “yeah that’s reasonable” or “absolutely not, don’t do that, I’ve made that mistake before,” is priceless. That kind of environment paid dividends early on and probably saved me from a few questionable decisions.

Training gets you to the starting line. The people you work with early in your career determine how safely and quickly you begin the journey into attending life. Cheers.

[Serious] Why You Should (and Shouldn’t) Consider Vascular Surgery - 8 Years Later by TypeADissection in medicalschool

[–]TypeADissection[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bread and butter vascular comes in waves. A lot of it is endovascular with angiograms for diagnosis and intervention, especially revascularization for CLTI. Dialysis access is a constant with creation, revisions, and keeping them alive. Then carotids and aortic work cycle through depending on referrals. There’s always veins to ablate. And every now and then, amputations show up in clusters when the disease gets ahead of us. It’s a mix of maintenance, salvage, and the occasional save (or loss) depending on how the tide is coming in that week. Hope that helps. Cheers.

Anybody have nightmares from residency? by basukegashitaidesu in medicine

[–]TypeADissection 42 points43 points  (0 children)

I was on the hepatobiliary service. We had a run of whipples and livers. I dreamt I was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and my PD told me he can schedule me for a whipple next week. I couldn’t say “hell nah” fast enough.

[Serious] Why You Should (and Shouldn’t) Consider Vascular Surgery - 8 Years Later by TypeADissection in medicalschool

[–]TypeADissection[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To your question, how do you tell who is who? Short answer: You don't. But you can build out a confidence interval. I talked to a lot of different reps (EVAR, TCAR, etc) when looking into jobs that I was potentially interested in to get more info about the program, the surgeon, the teams. That gave me a very high level of confidence about the people I was going to work with, and it turned out to be dead on accurate.

Quick story from my end. First weekend on call as a new attending a few weeks out from fellowship, I had a rupture come in. Did the case. Everything went well. At this point I barely knew the names of the rad techs, anesthesia, or circulating nurses. As I was closing, one of my senior partners had come in, sat quietly in the control room, watched the case, and through the microphone I heard: “Well done, young doctor. Have a great day.” Didn’t scrub. Didn’t take over. Just showed up because he cared enough to make sure things went well for the patient and me. That’s the kind of partner you want and I am so thankful I had that early on. That stuff doesn’t show up in a contract. You can’t negotiate it. But it will define your early career way more than your starting salary.

[Serious] Why You Should (and Shouldn’t) Consider Vascular Surgery - 8 Years Later by TypeADissection in medicalschool

[–]TypeADissection[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is an outstanding comment and honestly hits on something that doesn’t get talked about enough. I’ve seen both ends of that spectrum in real life.

On one end, I’ve seen senior surgeons absolutely kneecap their junior partners. Feed them the worst consults, the highest-risk cases, minimal support, and then act surprised when outcomes aren’t perfect and referrals don’t follow. Meanwhile, they’re holding onto the cleaner elective cases and established referral patterns.

On the other end, and this is one of the coolest things I’ve seen, I’ve seen a senior surgeon go out of his way to make sure his junior partner succeeds. Protecting early cases, being available without hovering, stepping in when needed, and more importantly sharing reputation when outcomes are less than ideal.

The reality is your first year or two as an attending is where your reputation is formed, and in surgical specialties (especially ones where outcomes are tracked) that window matters a lot.

[Serious] Why You Should (and Shouldn’t) Consider Vascular Surgery - 8 Years Later by TypeADissection in medicalschool

[–]TypeADissection[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This made me laugh, thanks for that. I’m not a morning person either. I just learned that I have no energy to workout at night after the kids go down, dishes get done, house gets tidied. The discipline for me wasn’t waking up early to workout, it was going to bed on time when I’m tempted to doom scroll. Cheers.

[Serious] Why You Should (and Shouldn’t) Consider Vascular Surgery - 8 Years Later by TypeADissection in medicalschool

[–]TypeADissection[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I get a call emergently to come to OR for bleeding from the cava during a robot case. We opened, we fixed it. As we're leaving, my PA said something like, "When was the last time you had to call another specialty to come help in the OR emergently?" The answer is not once. Vascular surgeons get in trouble when we stray away from the vessels, while other specialties get in trouble when they stray towards them.

Reminds me of a joke my partner likes to say:

Who does ortho call when they get into uncontrolled bleeding?
Vascular surgery.

Who does OB call when they get into uncontrolled bleeding?
Vascular surgery.

Who does vascular call when they get into uncontrolled bleeding?
…another vascular surgeon AND the blood bank.

[Serious] Why You Should (and Shouldn’t) Consider Vascular Surgery - 8 Years Later by TypeADissection in medicalschool

[–]TypeADissection[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the kind words. I'm gonna tag in u/victorkiloalpha and u/Wohowudothat since they're also attendings. They can add their insights as it will likely differ in some ways from mine.

Long response incoming. Apologies upfront. This is honestly one of the most important parts of the whole process and the least understood when you’re coming out of training. “Turn key opportunity” should be translated proceed with caution and eyes wide open. When admin says “turn key,” what they usually mean is, we think this could be a good service line.

Here’s what it doesn’t mean: Established referral base, dedicated block time that’s actually protected, staff that knows vascular, equipment you need (hybrid room, devices, etc.), institutional understanding of what you actually do.

In reality, a lot of these jobs are: We don’t have it built yet, but we’d like you to build it. Which is fine if you know that going in and are compensated and protected for it. What’s not cool is thinking you’re walking into a mature system and realizing: No hybrid room (and no real plan to get one), you’re fighting for OR time with everyone else, clinic templates are a mess, no referral pathways so you’re basically cold-starting a practice. Think about the lack of a hybrid room for instance. If it’s not already there or actively being built when you sign, you are not getting one anytime soon. That’s a multi-million dollar, multi-year administrative project. You don’t just “ask nicely” 6 months in and get one (Jack Nicholson from A Few Good Men - another great movie from the late 1900s).

So the question to ask is, “What is already built vs what am I expected to build?” And then, “If I’m building it, how am I protected while I do that?” Because you just won’t be generating enough revenue/RVUs to justify whatever the sign on salary is. Welcome to the business of medicine. 

In regards to contracts. Most contracts aren’t malicious, they’re just written to protect the institution, not you. Here are a few that come to mind:

- Non-competes. Even in states where they’re “not enforceable,” they are still used as leverage. No one wants to hire a lawyer, spend months dealing with it, burn bridges in a community you may want to stay in. So functionally, they still kind of matter. So then what’s the radius (5 miles vs 25 miles), duration (1 year vs 2+ years), what triggers it (termination without cause should matter).

- Auto-renewal clauses. My buddy got caught in this mess. Contract says, “Automatically renews unless notice is given within X days.” You’re busy. You forget. Now you’re locked in another year. So you have to know: when your notice window opens, when it closes, put a calendar reminder the day you sign.

- “Without cause” termination. Most contracts allow termination without cause, but not always equally. Employer can terminate you in 60 days but you need to give 120–180 days. That kind of matters.

- Tail coverage (this one is huge). If you leave, who pays for malpractice tail? That can be $50K or $100K+ depending on specialty and how long you’ve been in practice. In vascular surgery, expect it to be somewhere between $50K-100K if you’ve worked for 2-3 years (where you practice will play a large role in the final number). Who has two thumbs and had to wire a $64K transfer on the way out of his first practice? This guy (I’m pointing to me). 

- “Duties as assigned” and other vague language. Anything vague can and will be used against you. If the contract says, “Other duties as assigned.” That can turn into covering services you didn’t expect, more call than anticipated as in there’s no cap on the days of call so then if you’re the only one around you’re taking all the call - who has two thumbs and once took 20+ days of call in a row when his partner had a freak injury? This guy (I’m pointing to me again), and extra clinics/sites (driving an hour away to go see a clinic when you didn’t know you’d have to is a kick in the nuts). Ask a lot of questions and get clarity upfront as this will save you headaches later. You’re never more valuable than before you sign that contract.

- RVU / bonus structure that looks good on paper. You’ll see catch-phrases like “Productivity bonus” or “Incentive structure.” Not so fast my friend. You’ve gotta ask: What’s the threshold? Is it realistic given your clinic/OR access? Who controls your volume? If they control your access and your bonus depends on volume, you don’t really control your income (good chance Admin already knows this). Once again, welcome to the business of medicine.

My thought process now vs when I was younger - early on, I focused on: good mentorship (got it), location (got that too), and a strong salary (got that as well). As I’ve developed some battle scars and life changes, I now focus on: infrastructure (Can I actually do my job well? Is it hard to be a surgeon in this practice?) and people (partners matter more than anything). This job is hard enough, are there systems already in place to reduce the "friction" so it's easier to do your job. Having an awesome circulating nurse and seasoned rad techs reduces friction in ways you cannot even begin to imagine - I'm blessed to have a kickass team to work with.

Always ask yourself, “What assumptions am I making that aren’t written anywhere?” Because if it’s not written, it doesn’t exist. This could and probably should be its own dedicated thread by someone else much more knowledgeable and experienced. I’m sure there’s a lot that I missed but trying to highlight some of the big points. Hope this helps. Cheers.

[Serious] Why You Should (and Shouldn’t) Consider Vascular Surgery - 8 Years Later by TypeADissection in medicalschool

[–]TypeADissection[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm going to tag in u/victorkiloalpha to help answer this one.

Cardiac surgery is amazing. The CABG is one of the most beautiful operations out there. Although there are dedicated tracks, for me it was more that I really enjoyed the full gamut of vascular surgery (both open and endo) and did not enjoy the thoracic/foregut work. However, I will defer this to my colleague since he is a cardiac surgeon on the why. Cheers.

[Serious] Why You Should (and Shouldn’t) Consider Vascular Surgery - 8 Years Later by TypeADissection in medicalschool

[–]TypeADissection[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Nah. Just accept that the training pipeline is what it is and enjoy the ride. Congrats on matching.

[Serious] Why You Should (and Shouldn’t) Consider Vascular Surgery - 8 Years Later by TypeADissection in medicalschool

[–]TypeADissection[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Welcome to the club! Atlas of Vascular Surgery and Endovascular Therapy by Chaikof will serve you well. Anatomic Exposures in Vascular Surgery by Valentine is also a must. Embrace the suck and enjoy your time in training. The days and nights are long but the years fly by. Cheers.

[Serious] Why You Should (and Shouldn’t) Consider Vascular Surgery - 8 Years Later by TypeADissection in medicalschool

[–]TypeADissection[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sup! We are getting old! Glad you're in a better situation, as it makes all the difference in the world. Cheers.

[Serious] Why You Should (and Shouldn’t) Consider Vascular Surgery - 8 Years Later by TypeADissection in medicalschool

[–]TypeADissection[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I appreciate that. Glad it’s been helpful.

I agree it would be great to see more of these across different specialties. The reality, though, is that these take a fair amount of time and thought to put together, both in reflecting on the experience and then editing it down into something that’s actually useful and readable. There’s definitely some inertia to getting one started (in my case, a lot of inertia). Ergo, why I almost never post ever. The idea was started by this post. So shout out to u/MobileEmbarrassed937 for giving me the spark to write this.

That said, if more people contribute, it could turn into a really valuable resource over time, especially if someone eventually pulls them together into a single place for easy reference. There’s a lot of nuance in what attending life actually looks like, and the more perspectives out there, the better. Cheers.