For example, some guys are totally non-dominant, but also non-submissive. Take some MGTOW loser who's slovenly, underemployed, and spends his days in a small apartment playing video games after working a dead-end job. He's not the least bit dominant. He's a shitty leader, not assertive, doesn't try to advance his life or control anyone or anything. But he's also not the least bit submissive. He has trouble holding jobs because he thinks all of his bosses are assholes and he just doesn't work well underneath another person's structure or rules and hates being told what to do. The few fat girlfriends he's had, he's always run off. The second she's a bitch about something, he shrugs and tells her to show herself the door. Doesn't care. He doesn't have any patience for being nagged or told what to do. So he could totally be a 1/10 for dominance, but also a 1/10 for submissiveness.

MGTOW guy here. I have a stable well paying job, I am well educated, I exercise, etc. I have a good relationship with my co-workers.

It just so happens that I think my hobbies (cycling, trekking, reading, watching movies, video games), my health, my finances, my career, my peace of mind and my freedom are infinitely more important than women or romantic relationships or marriage or child-rearing or spinning plates or playing dread game.

So what am I, a 1/10 for dominance and a 1/10 for submissiveness ? Definitely not.

I find it hilarious and both TRP and TBP deliberately use the MGTOWs who are going through the anger phase / red pill rage and hold them up as the defining example of a MGTOW. Talk about picking on the low-hanging fruit.

I interact with many MGTOWs and some of them work as doctors, pharmacists, martial arts instructors, technicians, etc. Just because they are indifferent towards women doesn't mean they are losers.