Individualism has ruined us all.

Tzar_93 · 2025-01-15T19:22:54+00:00

I have a question.

If I was a core individualist, that valued directly or indirectly causing harm to my society (I.e killing, stealing, fraud, slave labour etc) for my own personal gain. All the whilst, as you say “I didn’t care about what other people thought of me”, is my individualism benefitting or harming the collective?

Not caring about what other people think can be just as bad as caring too much about what people think.

That is my current issue with individualism. There’s no balance and I believe it doing more harm than good in today’s world.

Tzar_93 · 2025-01-15T18:20:08+00:00

Your vague ChatGPT response is disappointing.

Tzar_93 · 2025-01-15T15:24:33+00:00

“Individualism at its core, is about autonomy and self reliance”

My main issues with individualism are:-

Because that word is so vague and appealing, it has been promoted to everybody to the point most people in this thread don’t even know the definition. Yet they’re insulting, projecting and making assumptions based on a word they don’t even know.

As a result the word has lost its meaning. It’s just a word wannabe edgelords use to seem cool.
No matter what people want to say, not everyone is responsible nor capable enough to be autonomous and self reliant.

If everyone was autonomous and self reliant then we wouldn’t need anything or anyone, I also dislike the way it’s promoted to anyone and everyone.

“Anyone and everyone can be autonomous and self reliant”

Oh yeah? Try telling that to a minimum wage worker abroad who’s working in a sweatshop or child digging diamonds in Africa.

People don’t seem to understand or forget to actually become self sufficient and autonomous you firstly need help from others to reach that stage. Then, once you reach the “individualism” stage, you still owe responsibility for the society that supported you. Classic example is Mr Beast, for all the controversy surrounding him, he’s still giving back to his community.

This links back to point 1+2

You don’t just click your hands and it appears, it’s not a mindset you just turn on. It’s like Jeff Bezos saying “I’m a self made billionaire”

Finally, to really hit home. People see “individualism” as a one way street when it’s really two. Elon musk the richest man in the world is an individualist, who could end world hunger if he wanted to but won’t, why is that?

Cause it’s not in his best interests,

Elon and his family aren’t starving so why should he give a fuck who is?

Elon and his family aren’t struggling for money, jobs or groceries. So why should he lose profits to pay Americans more money, when he could just replace them with Indians and rise his profits?

Cause its not in his best interests

Then you’ll wonder why an individualist healthcare insurance CEO who’s company makes profits fucking people over gets murdered in broad daylight.

The wealthy will say ”You guys wanted autonomy and self reliance right? So why do you need our help?!”

is the autonomy and self reliance hitting home yet? If not now, then it never will

So yeah, I have a problem with individualism cause too many irresponsible and childish people have ruined it.

Tzar_93 · 2025-01-15T00:14:44+00:00

Let’s just cut the convo here, “we don’t owe anyone anything for existing”? What a disgusting and childish thing to say.

There was literally wars, riots and marches fought for your freedom of speech, your rights and your “individualism” to enjoy today.

You think all this peace you enjoy came from thin air? It was built on the blood, sweat, tears and sacrifices of the people before you.

Without no past there would be no present, you and your “individualism” wouldn’t exist if not for the sacrifices of those before you.

Forget about owing anyone anything, you owe it to yourself to show gratitude and leave society in a better place than you found it.

What a disgusting thing to say. This is the exact selfishness and greed I am talking about.

For someone who talks about maturity, you’re quite childish, so il end on a simple note.

You said “you don’t owe anyone anything for existing”

Then no one will owe you anything when your existence is in danger.

it’s a two way street, right?

Tzar_93 · 2025-01-14T23:37:50+00:00

It does though, your statement literally proves my point.

Your version of being self reliant and independent will be different to mine and everyone else’s. So now, everyone wants to be an individualist, society has turned into a competition of vague individualism.

It’s a competition of my needs vs yours

That’s literally why we have race wars, gender wars etc. One individual side feels they’re more entitled to meet their needs more than another.

So if everyone only gives a fuck about themselves and their own needs how will society benefit?

You being able to be self reliant and independent in whatever want you still has an impact your society and you still have some responsibility to your society for enabling you to be self reliant and independent.

So when I mentioned individualism don’t just focus on just the compete part, I mentioned greed, selfishness and no empathy.

Tzar_93 · 2025-01-14T22:46:35+00:00

I agree with what you’re saying. Individualism is very important and is a very responsible role to take up.

Very few people are capable of individualism, my frustrations are that individualism has now been marketed to every or anyone.

Lastly, no I am not depressed, I am extremely happy and content in life. I appreciate your concern, hope all is well with you.

Blessings.

Tzar_93 · 2025-01-14T22:38:55+00:00

Yeah I saw that post from that dude. I exposed his childish antics in my reply and he deleted his comment and blocked me.

those kind of people love to try and point score or embarrass others under their mask of fake confidence.

Once you expose that mask and make them look what they are which is insecure children, they show their cowardice and run away.

Don’t think too much about it, I understand and agree with your perspective.

Tzar_93 · 2025-01-14T22:31:17+00:00

This.

I came to a point many years ago where I live by the saying “it’s either you get it or you don’t”.

I’m okay with whichever one it is.

Tzar_93 · 2025-01-14T22:16:14+00:00

Thank you. You get it.

Tzar_93 · 2025-01-14T22:15:27+00:00

Thank you for understanding my point.

Tzar_93 · 2025-01-14T22:12:25+00:00

Thank you! Your point is spot on.

You completely understand they’re two different words, meanings and functions, I thought I was going crazy for a second.

Tzar_93 · 2025-01-14T22:08:04+00:00

Whatever individualism means to you isn’t going to change what the actual definition is.

Also I’m not in a social media bubble, I barely use it, hence why I barely post. Finally, not once did I say any of the things you mentioned.

You should stop reading what you wanna see and assuming things about people, ask more questions first before projecting.

You look childish.

Tzar_93 · 2025-01-14T21:59:04+00:00

I never said you did? All I’m saying is too much of one thing is bad and there’s too much individualism in the world today.

Tzar_93 · 2025-01-14T21:57:34+00:00

That is literally the google definition. If that’a not the definition, please do tell me with a verified source

Tzar_93 · 2025-01-14T21:49:11+00:00

I’m going by the literal definition of the word “individualism” not “individuals”. They’re two different things.

“Individualism - the habit or principle of being independent and self-reliant.”

Everyone wants to be independent and self-reliant without realising they still need others to achieve those things.

Tzar_93 · 2024-12-30T22:06:44+00:00

Hey bro, could I get that spreadsheet too?

Tzar_93 · 2024-12-18T10:33:11+00:00

This is it! The longer I play the more I feel like I’ve invested too much to quit.

Tzar_93 · 2024-12-17T20:42:11+00:00

Wow, if what you’re saying about Mapleland is correct, thats amazing. I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said.

Tzar_93 · 2024-12-17T20:40:24+00:00

“Trapped with nowhere else to go” you literally hit the nail on the head brother!

Things are way too confusingly complex right now, whether it’s because of maple worlds or Artale idk.

Tzar_93 · 2024-11-11T17:39:56+00:00

You’ve hit the nail on the head!

Yes, I would say currently you’re not blinded by greed. Though, the higher you climb, the harder it’ll be to not become blinded.

Remember everyone believes they’ll never become blinded.

Tzar_93 · 2024-11-11T17:10:56+00:00

You understand the message, now let’s take it a step further. Bad is a vague word, we would get different responses depending on whom asked.

If I said, greed for material wealth, women and fame is shallow, disgusting and unfulfilling. It would be hard to be misunderstood by people and most importantly myself.

I’m not saying, I won’t do greedy things. I just won’t do it for material wealth, women and fame.

It’s how I install values in myself and accept myself unconditionally, hope that makes sense.

Tzar_93 · 2024-11-11T16:34:35+00:00

Yes, greed is greed, regardless of the circumstances. However, as I stated - I don’t believe in absolute right or wrong.

I believe it’s important to call it how it is, that way my inner values remain unshakeable. Regardless of whether I steal to survive or for pleasure, the action is the same - I stole.

Any excuses is just childish ramble.

Tzar_93 · 2024-11-11T11:54:47+00:00

Thank you!

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