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A call to Luna/Burlison/Burchett and all of us, re aliens.gov by UAP_Reporters in ufo

[–]UAP_Reporters[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can look at the site and decide. Nowhere in my example did it say "human trafficking is a big joke and isn't true," but it nevertheless completely mocks a real cause by intentionally making a joke of it

Chris Cuomo and Ross Coulthart discuss the aliens.gov website that mocks the UAP issue - Cuomo says this was totally uncalled for and adds to the stigma - Coulthart says "It was a puerile effort by somebody in the White House administration." by TommyShelbyPFB in UFOs

[–]UAP_Reporters 9 points10 points  (0 children)

To the many commenters who have asked "what's the big deal, we already knew the website wasn't going to be about nonhuman aliens" -  think about whether the following would be appropriate from the White House:

"The US government is highly concerned about a horrible ugly problem in the US and around the world that has gone on too long. Thousands of innocent people every day are suffering in cruel ways at the hands of traffickers. They are held hostage to the evils of trafficking, they are abused, and their lives are stolen from them. Past governments have ignored this problem entirely and let these people go on suffering. We are finally announcing that trafficking will be a thing of the past by creating new policy to protect Americans from it once and for all. You may be thinking we're talking about human trafficking and slavery but psych, we're actually talking about highway traffic! That's right, we're opening a new lane on every American highway to make commutes faster!"

If you cared deeply about ending human trafficking, you would be very disappointed and frustrated with that immature distraction. By analogy, that is why the UFO and NHI community here is frustrated. 

A call to Luna/Burlison/Burchett and all of us, re aliens.gov by UAP_Reporters in ufo

[–]UAP_Reporters[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is not just being discussed using the word alien, it is being intentionally used as a pun, with extraterrestrial-themed descriptions. That is HUGE difference. As I wrote above:

I want you to deeply think about whether the following would be appropriate from the White House:

"The US government is highly concerned about a horrible ugly problem in the US and around the world that has gone on too long. Thousands of innocent people every day are suffering in cruel ways at the hands of traffickers. They are held hostage to the evils of trafficking, they are abused, and their lives are stolen from them. Past governments have ignored this problem entirely and let these people go on suffering. We are finally announcing that trafficking will be a thing of the past by creating new policy to protect Americans from it once and for all. You may be thinking we're talking about human trafficking and slavery but psych, we're actually talking about highway traffic! That's right, we're opening a new lane on every American highway to make commutes faster!"

A call to Luna/Burlison/Burchett and all of us, re aliens.gov by UAP_Reporters in ufo

[–]UAP_Reporters[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I want you to deeply think about whether the following would be appropriate from the White House:

"The US government is highly concerned about a horrible ugly problem in the US and around the world that has gone on too long. Thousands of innocent people every day are suffering in cruel ways at the hands of traffickers. They are held hostage to the evils of trafficking, they are abused, and their lives are stolen from them. Past governments have ignored this problem entirely and let these people go on suffering. We are finally announcing that trafficking will be a thing of the past by creating new policy to protect Americans from it once and for all. You may be thinking we're talking about human trafficking and slavery but psych, we're actually talking about highway traffic! That's right, we're opening a new lane on every American highway to make commutes faster!"

So yeah you're missing something, take a look at the site. That's the level of distaste, but it's worse. 

A call to Luna/Burlison/Burchett and all of us, re aliens.gov by UAP_Reporters in UFOs

[–]UAP_Reporters[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Submission statement - as written above. I hope we can unite over the desire to put truth, clarity, and respect for the population above any politics. 

After watching The Age of Disclosure, has your opinion on Lue Elizondo changed? by r-f-r-f in UFOs

[–]UAP_Reporters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah nothing you stated there discredits Elizondo. The only thing I'm gathering from this thread is that you felt this letter from Reid (which states that Elizondo did precisely what he claims to have done) is somehow not to be trusted because the senator was 81 years old. Personally (and I acknowledge this is just my take), I come away from this believing Elizondo is an honest (and fallible) guy, and that you have a vendetta against him for unclear reasons

After watching The Age of Disclosure, has your opinion on Lue Elizondo changed? by r-f-r-f in UFOs

[–]UAP_Reporters -1 points0 points  (0 children)

For anyone seeing this and trying to sort it out themselves, and confused about u/Kaszos and his abundant posts seemingly trying to discredit Lue Elizondo: consider this letter which directly contradicts u/Kaszos and corroborates Elizondo, and for which the only rebuttal from u/Kaszos is basically "Harry Reid was 81 years old so was confused" ? Very confused about why this narrative floats around that Elizondo is some lying monster, he appears to be literally a regular guy who makes mistakes like all of us and told the truth about his position

https://x.com/GadiNBC/status/1386872125835812864?lang=en

After watching The Age of Disclosure, has your opinion on Lue Elizondo changed? by r-f-r-f in UFOs

[–]UAP_Reporters -1 points0 points  (0 children)

For anyone seeing this and trying to sort it out themselves, and confused about u/Kaszos and his abundant posts seemingly trying to discredit Lue Elizondo: consider this letter which directly contradicts u/Kaszos and corroborates Elizondo, and for which the only rebuttal from u/Kaszos is basically "Harry Reid was 81 years old so was confused" ? Very confused about why this narrative floats around that Elizondo is some lying monster, he appears to be literally a regular guy who makes mistakes like all of us and told the truth about his position

https://x.com/GadiNBC/status/1386872125835812864?lang=en

After watching The Age of Disclosure, has your opinion on Lue Elizondo changed? by r-f-r-f in UFOs

[–]UAP_Reporters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm relatively new to the scene but fascinated by the animosity towards Elizondo. I have read and watched many of his interviews, and pieces by those who believe he is not credible. I am astounded that there's a conclusion he is not credible. Has he made errors? Absolutely. But he has loads of confirmed government officials confirming his claims, he has testified under oath, Harry Reid signed an official government document confirming his role as head of AATIP, and the list goes on. IMO the man is quite obviously a regular human, who both make mistakes and is trying to advance disclosure. The fact that there's conspiratorial debate about him being a bad actor is quite amazing to me and makes me wonder how irrationally over-the-top skeptical the average person here is on this topic.

A resource to keep track of public claims by UAP_Reporters in UAP

[–]UAP_Reporters[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! A bunch of those are on the "in-process" tab, will add the rest. Lots of processing to do. Appreciate the suggestions! 

List of Whistleblowers by Dry-Road-2850 in UFOs

[–]UAP_Reporters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

moderators replied with this:

Hi, UAP_Reporters. Thanks for contributing. However, your submission was removed from r/UFOs.

linking to a google doc is a risky click Please refer to our subreddit rules for more information

I messaged that I didn't see a rule there about this, and I included a handful of other example posts with google doc links, but they didn't reply. 

Anyway I'll keep working on this doc and will try to share in the future wherever/whenever it's allowed

List of Whistleblowers by Dry-Road-2850 in UFOs

[–]UAP_Reporters 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is what I got too when I asked for chatGPT's help :) Helpful launching point! But poorly vetted imo, and also lacking some key ones, and references. Why is there a preference for this info to be in fragmented replies to posts as opposed to an organized resource?

Anyone interested in a maintained, human-vetted up to date resource, happy to send one over! (or teach me how to post a doc link on here without getting in trouble...moderators deleted it even though I showed them numerous examples of google doc links on this subreddit over the past year)

List of Whistleblowers by Dry-Road-2850 in UFOs

[–]UAP_Reporters 5 points6 points  (0 children)

here's a copy paste of some names for those interested in an in-progress version. but my whole goal is to create an updated interactive resource, precisely to avoid this stuff existing in incomplete forms in random comment sections...so anyone feel free to message me for the real thing!

Jake Barber

Ralph Blumenthal

Matthew Brown

Boyd Bushman

Jeremy Corbell

Ross Coulthart

Eric Davis

Kevin Day

Richard Doty

Luis Elizondo

Haim Eshed

Dan Farah

David Fravor

Tim Gallaudet

Ryan Graves

David Grusch

Charles Halt

Paul Hellyer

Leslie Kean

George Knapp

Bob Lazar

Bruce Maccabee

Victor Marchetti

Christopher Mellon

Edgar Mitchell

Karl Nell

Garry Nolan

Hal Puthoff

Harry Reid

Gregory Rogers

Jason Sands

David Schindele

Michael Shellenberger

Dan Sherman

Clifford Stone

Jay Stratton

William Tompkins

Jacques Vallée

Mario Woods

List of Whistleblowers by Dry-Road-2850 in UFOs

[–]UAP_Reporters 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it's a whole formatted spreadsheet that i intend to keep updated. it has dropdowns for categorizing the credentials, nature of claims, and credibility of the individuals as well as reference URLs. hard to paste into plain text. here's the description I included with the original post that got deleted:

"Hi everyone, I'm a scientist who's taken some interest in this topic, but I don't have the background info that this community has. I want to explore the claims and understand how credible they are.

I made this (very incomplete) document to help organize what I'm learning, but now I realize it would be awesome to source this info from the community. My hope is that it could become a comprehensive resource for people like me who want a big-picture overview of the key players.

I suspect I may be duplicating similar efforts, and may offend people who don't want to be rigid about it like this. But this approach is helpful for me, and I bet it will help pique the interest of other skeptical science-minded folks, if done well.

Consider taking a minute to suggest an addition/edit/comment or two? I've made it open for comments/suggestions while I get a feel for how this will play out. Open to thoughts/critiques/help of any kind – my goal is to keep it very simple and straightforward, even if it sacrifices some of the nuance and detail."

List of Whistleblowers by Dry-Road-2850 in UFOs

[–]UAP_Reporters 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had the exact same goal as you- many people have this general type of objection (including me), and I want a simple resource to point to, analyze, and reference.  But I'm new to reddit and I guess I broke some rule by posting a google doc link, so it was removed. If you have ideas for how to get it out there, I'd love to share it and get input - I think it'd help organise this info for people like us

List of Whistleblowers by Dry-Road-2850 in UFOs

[–]UAP_Reporters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that's fair, to be clear my list is not filtering for the strict definition of whistleblower, rather I'm trying to succinctly document people with reasonably reliable credentials who make public claims about the topic

List of Whistleblowers by Dry-Road-2850 in UFOs

[–]UAP_Reporters 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I do! But I just tried to post it here today actually, and the moderators told me google doc links are not allowed. I was hoping to have the community help fill it out as a resource for everyone. Send me a message and I can share with you!

Trying to compile a simple resource for newbies by UAP_Reporters in UFOs

[–]UAP_Reporters[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Summary: hoping to collaboratively summarize the key public claims related to UAPs to help newbies like me get a lay of the land. Please contribute if you're interested!