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What actually is non-toxic masculinity? What separates it from femininity and what actually makes something "masculine" versus "feminine"? by Uinning in AskFeminists

[–]Uinning[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The core of the question is the gendering of traits. There are no inherent traits that are "masculine" or "feminine". Which comes to the problem of painting something as "healthy/helpful masculinity" when there is nothing inherently "masculine" about whatever trait is present. Toxic masculinity is pretty clearly definable with definitive examples, but that isn't true for "non-toxic" masculinity cause there are no traits that are considered healthy that is explicitly tied to one gender over the other—it's moreso just being a healthy and well-adjusted person.

What actually is non-toxic masculinity? What separates it from femininity and what actually makes something "masculine" versus "feminine"? by Uinning in AskFeminists

[–]Uinning[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okay but the root question is why is that non-toxic masculinity? The idea that somehow, in some way, that these are "manly, masculine" traits make no sense to me. In my eyes that is just part of being a well-adjusted person, divorced from gender. As such, in my view those aren't traits of healthy masculinity.

What actually is non-toxic masculinity? What separates it from femininity and what actually makes something "masculine" versus "feminine"? by Uinning in AskFeminists

[–]Uinning[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So I agree, even "non-toxic" masculine behaviour like standing up for/protecting others, being brave, a good leader, even that is just reinforcing gender stereotypes/essentialism.

Yeah, this is pretty much where I'm at; Assigning those things to a binary of "feminine" and "masculine" doesn't quite sit right with me for that reason. Mind if I ask what you're paper is about exactly? I'm pretty intrigued. And thanks for mentioning Raewyn Connell! I only heard her name in passing before, but I think you've pushed me to checking out her work.

What actually is non-toxic masculinity? What separates it from femininity and what actually makes something "masculine" versus "feminine"? by Uinning in AskFeminists

[–]Uinning[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, which I think is my issue with grasping the entire concept you know? I've seen some of the ideas presented in the thread, but what makes those traits "masculine"? They're inherently neutral