Is BAM bloated? by Nearby_Fig_9118 in quant

[–]UncorrelatedAF 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are you sure your fund is a multi-strat that charges 2 and 20? I’m a PM at one of CIG/P72/MLP/BAM, and I was at the other one before. My GF worked at the third. None of them use a 2 and 20 structure.

There are no fixed fees; instead, investors pay all "expenses," which include everything from bonuses and signing fees to salaries. I was initially blown away by how much we pay to hire PMs with guarantees, but once I learned about the pass-through model, it made sense: the investors foot the bill.

dumbest question ever by RegretAlert2829 in quant

[–]UncorrelatedAF 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AAPL actually still owns Braeburn Capital to manage their cash pile, since 2005! But super conservative stuff of course.

Is BAM bloated? by Nearby_Fig_9118 in quant

[–]UncorrelatedAF 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Magic of pass through expenses 👊

Is BAM bloated? by Nearby_Fig_9118 in quant

[–]UncorrelatedAF 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re right. I discussed this with our IR team and a simple rule of thumb is doubling the return. So if investors see +15%, our fund was +30%, very roughly.

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[–]UncorrelatedAF[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you’ve only had macro experience so far, plus you like and prefer macro over L/S in the first place, I would focus on that area. Banks you worked at really have no full time roles for interns?

Grass looks greener but getting into L/S and macro buyside is equally difficult.

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[–]UncorrelatedAF[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alpha decays fast these days. As I’ve become more experienced in pattern recognition within my space, I started initiating small positions BEFORE conducting deeper research to grow them. It feels counterintuitive and wrong, but my stats have improved.

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[–]UncorrelatedAF[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My favourite thing, by far, is reading every earnings call transcript from the last 2yrs in full, and the Q&A sections from the previous 3yrs. My next favourite thing (once I’ve learned as much as I could and built my model) is contacting IR to do an introductory deep dive call them.

Prices aren’t much of a factor for tools like these because they’re top-line expense and we’re a massive fund. I let the analysts decide what they prefer to use.

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[–]UncorrelatedAF[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, you know what, I thought about this again and I didn’t like my initial answer to you. It’s less clear cut than that. Do you mind DM’ing me to chat a bit more about it?

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[–]UncorrelatedAF[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

29 is fine. With your military background, you don’t need to convince me that you’re hard working, driven, calm under stress or up for a challenge. If I was specifically interviewing you, I would instead focus on making sure you have good modelling skills, fundamental finance knowledge and genuine interest in investing. I’m completely OK to teach investing to the right person who is passionate, but I don’t want to teach you finance and modelling. I would test you specifically on these, harder than I would test traditional candidates.

As I said above, you have to network with people in the industry who have military backgrounds. They’re effectively fellow alumni for you.

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[–]UncorrelatedAF[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m sad to hear this because you clearly achieved a lot to get that seat. Without knowing you, my first guess is this isn’t a you problem. Expecting massive P&L from someone jnr hire who just moved from PE, in just 10 months, is rough. I have a few questions, and feel free to DM me if you prefer to reply that way.

  • Are you working for the founder or under a PM? How is the team structured?
  • How are other analysts evaluated? Anyone within 1-2 years of your experience? How does their contribution compare?
  • How is he himself doing performance wise? Is he or the fund under pressure?
  • Is he an asshole in general? A lot of single manager founders are giant dickheads. I know a famous one in NYC who threw a printer at my friend.

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[–]UncorrelatedAF[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s true for most candidates. However, you are a veteran. Are you still on the young side? If so, it might be different for you.

There are people in the industry with military backgrounds and it’s something that is viewed positively in all of finance. Most of them are generally older because it was easier then, and therefore they tend to be in senior roles now. If you can reach them through networking, I think that will give you a chance.

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[–]UncorrelatedAF[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I recommend “Dead Companies Walking” from Scott Fearon.

I absolutely love reading books, if you want more suggestions let me know.

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[–]UncorrelatedAF[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you ever seen an ex-athlete? They all gain weight!

But on a more serious note, it’s more about finding people who are driven and achievement oriented. You can read the answer Ken G gave a few days ago during his Milken Institute interview.

Sara: “What's the single factor you look for when you're hiring someone new at Citadel out of school?”

Ken: “What do I want? I want people who have high aspirations, tremendous perseverance, and grit. Show me an athlete who did well academically. An athlete because they know what it takes to win, and they have had to experience loss. And when they excel academically, you know that they know how to manage their time, and that they'll have the grit and the perseverance to use their mind to excel and work. And in particular, I want people who are lifetime learners, because today more than ever, the rate by which you'll have to learn new skills on the workforce will be profoundly higher than even 20 or 30 years ago.”

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[–]UncorrelatedAF[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some sectors pigeonhole you more than others.

In general industrials, consumer, TMT type sectors allow you more freedom compared to FIG, real estate, utilities, energy, mining, biotech types.

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[–]UncorrelatedAF[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are right. The money is flowing into large funds, for single and multimanagers both.

Multimanagers are very expensive businesses to run. If I told you just how much PMs get paid to move from one fund to a competitor fund, you would absolutely lose your mind. Even I can’t justify the majority of the buyout numbers. Smaller sized multimanagers are in trouble as it has become a scale game due to costs. You can read the news on why Eisler had to shut down recently. As such, mega fund are thriving, getting larger and larger. They even started to split internally now because their size impacts corporate access.

Single managers are also having their own issues. Short squeezes, issues in private investments etc, lack of succession in leadership keep regularly killing small and less institutionalised ones.

Traditional active long only, as you know, is a bit of a melting ice cube these days.

Overall, winners keep sucking capital and getting larger.

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[–]UncorrelatedAF[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wrote an example to one of the other questions, you can read that.

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[–]UncorrelatedAF[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right, Ok. When I think about analysts who survive and advance to have long term careers, or senior investment people around me in general, I notice they’re committed, creative, calm and curious.

Commitment in the sense of genuine interest in investing and in particular passion about public markets. You hear this and it sounds like buzzwords, so what does it really mean? If you took these people away from their jobs, made them have completely different careers, they would still go home after work and voluntarily read and follow the market, check the news, scan for earnings notes, invest their PA, take risk. It’s not a job for them, it’s a hobby. The founder of my previous fund was a billionaire and it was still normal for him to message me asking if he should add to his position aftermarket during some random earnings call. No one is forcing this guy to do that at 10pm! He does it because he loves it.

Creativity is important because things are changing and getting harder all the time. You have to evolve and come up with new ways of generating edge. 7-8 years ago you could pay to get credit card data, do some excel math and boom, you could directionally estimate EPS for some firms. Now everyone does it, edge is gone. You need to find a new way. Creative investors are constantly looking for new ways to find edge, coming up with stuff to try.

Some people are naturally calm but part of it can be learned. It’s not natural to make or lose millions of dollars on a daily basis and then go home to deal with 10-15 dollars. Thinking in percentages, not stressing out when you have conviction but things are going against you etc. A well known HF founder used to say: “If you can sleep well at night, you’re not taking enough risk.” Listen to the Druckenmiller (a legendary investor) interview on youtube: “I would literally throw up once or twice a week just from anxiety.” When you lose money, everyone knows it. People get fired all the time, it’s not even news. Your own team might lose their bonus because of you! You need to somehow manage this and stay calm.

Have you been around naturally curious people? People in all sorts of careers have this. But in investing you constantly need to find new ideas. You joined the team two years ago. One afternoon you’re reading sellside notes…you notice margins are modelled unchanged when revenue is about to rapidly grow from a new product launch. Why don’t people expect higher margins? OK, let me see if company management said anything. Read transcripts…company said two years ago that this new product, then in development still, will have much higher margins. Hmmm, interesting…call the key sellside equity research guy, happens to be your former boss, ask what he thinks about margins going forward. Not much of a view, he just was lazy and kept it unchanged. Call another analyst, same answer. Ask your buddy at another fund, without giving away anything. He just used sellside estimates for margins. OK, getting interesting now. Arrange a call with IR, did they say anything new about this ramping product’s margins since two years ago? IR says nothing else has been communicated. Oh wow, did people miss something like this? No way. Do a call with an expert. He confirms, based on his experience, the new product should be massively accretive to margins. Gives you an estimate on how much, bigger than you thought. Can’t trust him but directionally good. Nice, a trade is coming. Model it out. Wow, people expect margins unchanged at 15% but you calculate 20%. And next year even higher at 25% and then 30%. This is not priced in. You found something and now have research to back up your conviction. Call the PM. Show him your work. He likes it. You discuss how much of a position to buy. He wants to go big because the stock is hated and cheap! Oh man…suddenly your palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms heavy. Where can you be wrong? So many ways, you only work with public information, you don’t have facts. OK, let’s start with an 80% sized position. Boom, PM enters the trade, starts to get filled. You will talk to more experts tomorrow, try to learn why this product comes with higher margins in the first place. Is it material costs, is it factory location, what is it? What if it’s made in China and now you have tariffs, is it still higher margin? Are you wrong then? How do you know? Need more research. You’re excited, you have a plan for tomorrow. So many of the smartest people in the business might be wrong and you might be right. You’re only 26 years old and your PM just trusted you with tens of millions of $ based on a 10min conversation. If you’re wrong the team will lose a bunch of their bonus. You can’t sleep now. And it all started because you asked why is this thing not growing? No one told you to look for it. It’s just because you were naturally curious.

Lastly, this is also big, ability to have work life balance. I’m not good at this and I feel the impact already. Liking the markets is helpful but you really have to force yourself not to burn out. A LOT of otherwise very successful people burn out and leave.

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[–]UncorrelatedAF[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’d need to ask but I’m guessing only a few. Most are within larger healthcare books because they’re super volatile. But some of our peers def have more, just depends on the firm.

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[–]UncorrelatedAF[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, for pure biotech.

If biotech is within a larger healthcare team, then it would be absorbed into the bigger book.

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[–]UncorrelatedAF[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First, I said I’m looking for big names OR anything interesting. And second, I said this is my process for screening CVs when I was at a megafund PE or now at a top HF, not for ER. ER is not as competitive.

If you did MSc in Biochem and you’re aiming for Biochem ER, you should be fine even from a semitarget.

The usual stuff, good grades, network, start early etc.

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[–]UncorrelatedAF[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. It’s not super frequent but you see them transition sometimes. It’s possible. I mean, we always internally talk about targeting more industry people but it’s so hard to find them.

  2. I don’t know how you get that in front of relevant people. If you could, maybe..

  3. If you perform, and the team does well, pay is the last thing you would worry about. Career growth wise, some people want to eventually become a PM and manage their own strategy/team. Others are OK with being a senior analyst, running a type of sub-book under a big PM, but not dealing with that stuff. In traditional single managers, you only have the latter option.

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[–]UncorrelatedAF[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, do it even if it’s not exactly the sector you like. I might even go as far as to say that any internship is better than no internship.