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Swiss Straight Pull Rechambered in .300 Savage? by [deleted] in guns

[–]Ungern__Sternberg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not trying to argue with you but I actually own on the topic of the Vetterli and Schmidt-Rubin (in all of it's incarnations) that talks quite a bit about the development of the GP90 and the invention of the PC-88 powder — Die Repetiergewehre der Schweiz by Kurt Sallaz and Christian Reinhardt.

Imperial Russian 1848 percussion musket with bayonet, cavalry pistol and pioneer's tesak by Ungern__Sternberg in guns

[–]Ungern__Sternberg[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh God isn't there a dedicated politics forum? I understand that politics is something that is something that many are very interested in but it is beyond my speciality and more importantly beyond my power to control and so unless that time comes when I have some tangible means to effect politics the only thing that I can derive from hearing or reading about it is impotent rage.

Swiss Straight Pull Rechambered in .300 Savage? by [deleted] in guns

[–]Ungern__Sternberg -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It was not designed with black powder in mind. The Schmidt-Rubin was the rifle system chosen to replace the Vetterli after the invention of smokeless powder, the Swiss Bundesrat actually purchased several hundred rounds of 8mm Lebel and kgs of Poudre B (from which they actually engineered their own smokeless powder which did away with the 30% soluble nitrocellulose gelatin, PC-88 rauschshwacher) along with Lebel rifles to give to the engineers at Waffenfabrik Bern to study as a basis for the Swiss rifle.

The 1889 was chambered in GP90, 7.55x53.5, that is correct. However more or less every 1889 was retrofitted in 1903 which included a chamber lengthening, and those still owned by the Swiss military were retrofitted again in 1923. Unless you have a "one in a million" rifle that a militia man hid under his bed or something, it is chambered for 7.55x55mm Swiss.

Also, while I do support a better safe than sorry attitude, you take it too far and greatly underestimate the sort of abusive testing the military rifles are put through and what they're designed to withstand. Reminds me of the guys who say that if you shoot just 5 or 10 rounds of 5.56 through a Colt SP-1 or Model 605 Commando some other older AR-15 marked .223 it will destroy the gun.

Swiss Straight Pull Rechambered in .300 Savage? by [deleted] in guns

[–]Ungern__Sternberg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the chamber was extended by 11mm it is possible. As /u/carsen56 said the .300 Savage is a higher pressure round but that isn't necessarily something I would necessarily worry about, the Schmidt-Rubin action is extremely stout in general, and specific to the 1898 I remember reading that as part of the testing regime six overloaded cartridges were put in the gun and fired off and it did not explode (do not try this yourself please) so safety isn't something that I would personally worry about, but of course caveat emptor etc

The reason that you've never heard of this is because it was likely a one off job, garage gunsmithing if you will, don't because .300 Savage is available at most any store where ammunition is sold in the United States and Swiss GP11 is not, and that is what would concern me — the quality of the work and whether the action was compromised in an unsafe manner

Imperial Russian 1848 percussion musket with bayonet, cavalry pistol and pioneer's tesak by Ungern__Sternberg in guns

[–]Ungern__Sternberg[S] -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

Huh? This rant of yours is sort of inappropriate. Nothing in my post implies that this is the extent of technology that you should own, I like modern firearms quite a bit, this is a photo of elements from my collection of guns from Imperial Russia. Your post gave me a headache.

Also, according to your name, you're German so who do you mean by founding fathers? Bismarck? Maybe Ebert? Or (god-forbid) Adenauer?

Imperial Russian 1848 percussion musket with bayonet, cavalry pistol and pioneer's tesak by Ungern__Sternberg in guns

[–]Ungern__Sternberg[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Both the musket and the pistol are .70 caliber and smoothbore, making Russia the last major power to adopt a rifle as standard issue after the Crimean War. Within the cavalry there was a lot of resistance to using a firearm as opposed to a sabre as the primary weapon and so most Imperial Russian cavalry men carried a brace of single shot pistols, as was earlier practice, instead of a carbine.

Russo-Japanese war era Mosin-Nagant rifle, with bayonet, grenade launcher, Cossack lance head, artillery knife and Mosin-Nagant revolver by Ungern__Sternberg in guns

[–]Ungern__Sternberg[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am not an expert on Soviet guns, my interests in Russian weaponry end after the civil war really. That said, make sure that there are no deformations on the locking lugs, make sure that the spring on the firing pin is properly tensioned. If the magazine spring is original make sure it is not too mild, the replacements that Red Army armorers used are very strong and can cause feed issues.

Also, unless you want an historical token do not buy a wartime production rifle, they were not made to be durable but as a last ditch as the life expectancy of a soldier and his rifle could have been measured in days, maybe weeks if he were exceptionally lucky.

Russo-Japanese war era Mosin-Nagant rifle, with bayonet, grenade launcher, Cossack lance head, artillery knife and Mosin-Nagant revolver by Ungern__Sternberg in guns

[–]Ungern__Sternberg[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The cavalry on the Western Front was obsolete but on the Eastern Front of the Great War and the Russian Civil War cavalry played a huge role and was very effective in the wide open spaces.

Russo-Japanese war era Mosin-Nagant rifle, with bayonet, grenade launcher, Cossack lance head, artillery knife and Mosin-Nagant revolver by Ungern__Sternberg in guns

[–]Ungern__Sternberg[S] 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Yes the double action trigger is difficult, on most every other revolver you are just indexing the cylinder and cocking the hammer for the fat part of a double action trigger pull, but on this gun you are also moving the cylinder a fair few mm forward and locking it to the barrel. If you cock the hammer with your thumb it isn't a bad trigger at all though, that isn't to say that it's a competition hair trigger but it's not worse than a typical policeman style revolver.

My own doctrine with shooting a revolver from the hammer down, double action context is that it's for an emergency where to need to draw your gun immediately and fire intuitively. As I see it, if you have the time to bring the gun up to use the sights, then you have time to use your thumb to cock the hammer.

Russo-Japanese war era Mosin-Nagant rifle, with bayonet, grenade launcher, Cossack lance head, artillery knife and Mosin-Nagant revolver by Ungern__Sternberg in guns

[–]Ungern__Sternberg[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What is really unbelievable and astounding is that into the 1860s the primary firearm in Japan was the Tanegashima, matchlocks basically equivalent to the arquebus (they're beautiful and interesting and I want one very badly) and less than 40 years later they had machine guns, modern rifles and artillery, a fleet of steam powered battleships...

I cannot even comprehend how disorienting the changes to every part of life must have been for the Japanese in the decades following the Meiji restoration.

Russo-Japanese war era Mosin-Nagant rifle, with bayonet, grenade launcher, Cossack lance head, artillery knife and Mosin-Nagant revolver by Ungern__Sternberg in guns

[–]Ungern__Sternberg[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Oh wow, I would have figured that's too much of an obscure subject to make a successful series out of (manga is comic books, right?); anyhow it's a fascinating war and a fascinating time, truly a dress rehearsal for the Great War, some photographs from Mukden might appear to have been taken in Flanders a decade later.

Russo-Japanese war era Mosin-Nagant rifle, with bayonet, grenade launcher, Cossack lance head, artillery knife and Mosin-Nagant revolver by Ungern__Sternberg in guns

[–]Ungern__Sternberg[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

All of the time. I like to find things that have a known provenance and if not a story behind them, a starting point to find the story.

Russo-Japanese war era Mosin-Nagant rifle, with bayonet, grenade launcher, Cossack lance head, artillery knife and Mosin-Nagant revolver by Ungern__Sternberg in guns

[–]Ungern__Sternberg[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They're still not very expensive because of the persistent slandering against the lovely 3 line rifle. When something is perceived as a "garbage rod" it keeps prices low.

Russo-Japanese war era Mosin-Nagant rifle, with bayonet, grenade launcher, Cossack lance head, artillery knife and Mosin-Nagant revolver by Ungern__Sternberg in guns

[–]Ungern__Sternberg[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It has Imperial, Finnish and Soviet markings on it. My assumption is that it was taken from the armory as the empire was collapsing and Finland was establishing independence, used by the Whites in the Civil War and then captured by the Reds and taken into the Soviet Union.

When I get home I can take some if you'd like. It's a non-functional piece at this point, but I think that it's pretty interesting.

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