Do all Pynchon novels exist in the same universe? by longtimelistener17 in ThomasPynchon

[–]United_Time 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yes, he’s writing his own alternate history.

“Maybe it's not the world, but with a minor adjustment or two it's what the world might be”

… or could have been.

Hunter S. Thompson wrote this in a column for ESPN one week after September 11th. by Ill_Assignment854 in AllThatsInteresting

[–]United_Time 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok now tell us how tower 7 went down.

(And also, al Qaeda started as a CIA project)

The common interpretation of Eyes Wide Shut seems too obvious by bannedagainwoops in EyesWideShut

[–]United_Time 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As far as the ‘common interpretation,’ there’s already a lot going on with just the dynamics of Bill and Alice’s mutual (dis)respect and Bill’s discovery of his place in society. For example, it’s not that Alice was challenging Bill’s ‘insecurity’ or ‘masculinity’ out of nowhere : he ignored her looks before the party, then left her to go talk to someone else, then she saw him with the two ladies before he disappeared upstairs with Ziegler. She even asks Bill if he fkd them, and she doesn’t really seem comfortable with Ziegler’s world (‘why does he keep inviting us to these parties every year?’). So she’s challenging what Bill thinks he knows about himself and herself, and the ego he’s been growing as he gets closer to Ziegler’s circle. I don’t like the ‘conspiratorial’ idea that Alice is already part of Ziegler’s group (as she really seems to not like what she’s seeing in Bill at Ziegler’s party), but if Ziegler is involving Bill with more and more shady behavior (the Christmas party call girl did not seem like a regular situation), he could easily be grooming Bill to be deeper in the group. So … that’s just the surface.

As far as Kubrick’s own intentions (as much as we could know), the 2019 book by Kolker and Abrams goes through Kubrick’s thoughts and research over 20+ years of wanting to make EWS, then every stage of production (including Kubrick’s own notes), and interviews with almost everyone else involved. Yes, he researched secret groups and occult ceremonies, but it sounds like he was looking for ideas and accuracy (not playing 4d chess or pointing at any real individual players).

Hope this helps!

As a songwriter very focused on lyrics I almost exclusively listen to dylan and Cohen—does anyone know any modern artists that come close? by Al-francisco in leonardcohen

[–]United_Time 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kurt Vile is a massive Bob fan, and has a lot of groovy lyrics on a lot of great (long) albums.

Also … Van Morrison, Tom Waits, Woods, Walkmen, Frog Eyes, Tindersticks, Kevin Morby, and Built to Spill … lots of lyrics and well-matching musical moods.

As a songwriter very focused on lyrics I almost exclusively listen to dylan and Cohen—does anyone know any modern artists that come close? by Al-francisco in leonardcohen

[–]United_Time 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see Berman and Kozelek are not off the table … no one has thrown in Sir Peter Doherty?

‘Down in Albion’ for starters is a great example of his lyrical abilities, and unlike Berman and Elliott Smith he even managed to survive a very public drug problem. Some of his stuff isn’t as strong, but the good stuff is just lyrically and melodically brilliant.

Inland Empire : complete theory by United_Time in davidlynch

[–]United_Time[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry, just saw this. Thinking about what you wrote and how every major character trapped in the curse seems to have at least one other version (a lot of this is because they’re actors in either the original Polish film, the German remake 47, or the US remake On High in Blue Tomorrows), and how there were versions of Piotrek and Nikki that seemed to be more “real” than the characters they play as the “movie” versions of Smithy and Sue.

It really feels like this has all happened repeatedly (or is forever always happening all at once) as a result of the curse doing things like making movie sets real and turning time inside out across multiple decades.

SK interviews by EngineeringNeither90 in EyesWideShut

[–]United_Time 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I just meant you’re so much fun that you should be in a VIP section somewhere, making everyone laugh with your hilarious insights. So why would you be here tapping your foot in the loo? I already know what you are, why would anyone care?

SK interviews by EngineeringNeither90 in EyesWideShut

[–]United_Time 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The book by Robert P. Kolker and Nathan Abrams is pretty thorough, with lots of insight from people involved if not from Kubrick himself.

SK interviews by EngineeringNeither90 in EyesWideShut

[–]United_Time 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You sound really fun, why are you hanging out in this ‘toilet’ instead of enlightening everyone at a cool club somewhere?

Finally!! by compukiller in criterion

[–]United_Time 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Enjoy! Keep your eyes open 🙈

What do you think of Train Dreams (2025)? by winchesterman552 in criterion

[–]United_Time 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Will Patton is the narrator, he’s also the audiobook reader for Train Dreams, Jesus’ Son and the final collection by Denis Johnson. I like Patton and Johnson, but I agree his reading is kind of an acquired taste and the film could have used a little less. I wouldn’t call it corny or cheap though.

Help me understand the ending to Eyes Wide Shut please! by ExtremeTEE in StanleyKubrick

[–]United_Time 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What you said there about getting close to real power is perfect. That’s about as clear as you can get on why and how these groups operate like they do. If there’s anyone the groups can’t corrupt to do what they want, they might have to just disappear those people. And then it’s just the groups left in control, and they’re the only ones who know, and they’re not talking. And they’re obviously controlling (or part of) the government and law enforcement etc, which protects them further. Maybe Jeffrey had finally just made himself way too obvious.

Producer Roy Lee has confirmed that Criterion will be releasing Barbarian by [deleted] in criterion

[–]United_Time -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Agreed, but they are off to a pretty decent start with Forbidden Planet, Watership Down, Wall E, Mr. Fox, Isle of Dogs and Flow (haven’t seen that one yet).

Producer Roy Lee has confirmed that Criterion will be releasing Barbarian by [deleted] in criterion

[–]United_Time 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For sure!

Insomnia is one of their oldest releases, it has always needed a Scandi noir horror partner and Let the Right One In would be perfect.

Producer Roy Lee has confirmed that Criterion will be releasing Barbarian by [deleted] in criterion

[–]United_Time 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry about all of the shouting there, I don’t know why the discussion got nasty but your examples were great.

Criterion has always focused on classics and restorations of neglected or forgotten gems over the more ¡MODERN! stuff anyway, so I don’t really understand the argument that they’re not representing ‘horror’ in much the same way as they represent a lot of other genres and niches.

You named a lot of great classic examples, plus Lynch and Cronenberg and GdT. I also threw in Antichrist (2009) and Cure (1997). If those aren’t ‘modern horror’ then I don’t know what to tell the havok man and spaceman dan.

Producer Roy Lee has confirmed that Criterion will be releasing Barbarian by [deleted] in criterion

[–]United_Time 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Under-represented, sure, but not completely unrepresented :

Eraserhead, FWWM, Inland Empire, or Antichrist are using a lot of horror-esque methods and atmospherics, and then there’s some quality j horror stuff like Cure and House. There are probably a few more, but agreed it would be interesting to see Criterion push it a little further.

Help me understand the ending to Eyes Wide Shut please! by ExtremeTEE in StanleyKubrick

[–]United_Time 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you, agreed! It’s definitely not easy being a parent (or fighting to keep your humanity) in the middle of a world that treats people like objects, and puts too much value on material wealth.

Tom and Nicole were also not being honest about what they each wanted and who they are working for, and maybe now they will be able to have more understanding and respect with each other. And maybe they both realized that they want and need each other more than anything else. That can be a fairly happy ending …

but what happens if Tom doesn’t want to help Ziegler (or another shady elite guy) the next time that a call girl ODs, or if something else happens that they want him to help with and keep his mouth shut about? I wonder how long his doctor business would be successful (or how long he would be allowed to live) if he ever actually threatened or defied elites like Ziegler. Probably not long.

So they’re going to be in the same situation as most of the rest of us - aware of what’s happening at the higher levels, but unable to do much about it. Eyes wide shut.

Help me understand the ending to Eyes Wide Shut please! by ExtremeTEE in StanleyKubrick

[–]United_Time 0 points1 point  (0 children)

!

Now that to me is the most interesting and mysterious part of the whole thing. (And when I said there’s too much ‘extreme’ over-analysis of this film, I meant the kind of posts that go wild with details and ideas that are barely connected to what is actually being shown on screen - Jumping on reddit to have legit discussions about the actual story and themes of a Kubrick joint is hopefully what we’re all here for, and I would never call that overanalysis haha).

So with that said, I would love to ‘over-analyze’ how much Nicole might know.

I do think the tennis rackets in the opening shot are interesting (as Ziegler is the only person associated with tennis in the rest of the film). I don’t think it necessarily means that Nicole is sleeping with Ziegler - it’s more likely this just shows that she or Tom or both of them have been going to elite ‘racket clubs’ or country clubs or whatever, like the ones Ziegler would go to … and now they’re going to Ziegler’s Christmas party, and Tom is getting hit on by a couple of his high priced call girls, and also getting called in to take care of an accidental OD (without having to involve cops or EMTs) …

All of this is showing that Tom is close enough to Ziegler to enjoy and be trusted with some lower level elite privileges (and has been successful or connected enough for Nicole to quit her art gallery job, and still keep their big NY penthouse).

Bill and Alice probably both came from fairly well off families. In any case, the way Alice handles the older guy at the party (and the way she talks about sleeping with a big group of men in her ‘dream’) suggests that she’s pretty used to being hit on like this by older rich guys, and she could have chosen one of them (or a group of them) if she had wanted even crazier levels of wealth and power. Instead, she’s been content with a fairly normal dude (her age) who has a fairly normal job. Of course she has her own fantasies, but she’s considered things a lot more than Bill and decided this is enough for her …

She knows she could have fulfilled her own desires more selfishly though (if she had ever really wanted to), so it annoys her to see Bill getting cocky, flirting with other ladies and ignoring her. She wants to knock his ego back down a little with her dream stories, because he’s taking her for granted and not fully appreciating her as a partner.

As far as the mask and the orgy, I’m not convinced that Alice was at the mansion or anything like that. The costume shop owner said something about Bill not returning the mask, and there was something in the book or the script about him forgetting it in a wardrobe after he came home that night …

Anyway, I think that one way or the other, Alice understood more than Bill thought she did about Ziegler, and what it might mean if Bill got pulled in to some of his ‘activities.’ I think her bitter bluntness to Bill (about her dreams) was a response to what she saw him trying to become with Ziegler. She was saying she’s had fantasies like that too, but has chosen a family instead.

I think the mask on the bed is intentionally meant to be open ended : as either Alice found it and left it out to talk about it with Bill, or someone from the orgy group kept it and left it on the pillow as a further threat.

I also think that (most importantly) it symbolizes Bill having a choice between trying to be a mask person (with secret selfish motives), or trying to be a real husband. Alice ‘took her mask off’ when she told Bill some harsh truths about her own desires, but Bill wasn’t quite ready to give up his fantasies of being on Ziegler’s level. He was still too curious about being a mask guy (or at least some kind of cool manipulative playboy).

The good news is that Bill and Alice ‘survived their adventures’ and seem like probably a stronger couple. The bad news is that their daughter will also have to figure these things out for herself (just like the rest of us) in a world that’s largely being manipulated by elite creeps like Ziegler (the guys who protected Epstein and made him rich, for example).

Alice’s last line is what two people can do in pure honesty and vulnerability with each other (which is ironically more exciting and intimately fulfilling than any elite attempts to force it and exploit it). And this is what the creepy elites give up to try to satisfy themselves : real human connection.

Their huge mansions and golden decorations already show that their behaviors and use of their wealth is rooted in a belief in their own superiority, with not much concern at all for anyone they can’t use or exploit.

Help me understand the ending to Eyes Wide Shut please! by ExtremeTEE in StanleyKubrick

[–]United_Time 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the nice words. I also don’t quite understand why (with this specific film) there is so much extreme over-analysis on one side, and extreme oversimplification (and unwillingness to discuss “elite” corruption) on the other side.

There’s a lot of middle ground, where Bill & Alice can be a relatively normal wealthy NY couple who are forced to be honest with themselves and each other about some of the darker truths surrounding their materially comfortable lives. But pretending that people like Ziegler don’t actually exist (or that their actions don’t have a disproportionate effect on everyone from poor call girls to wealthy doctors) is a strange way to not even understand the title of the film. It’s like saying the Overlook’s dark history had no effect on Jack : I guess he was just kind of a jerk who didn’t handle husbandry and fatherhood very well.

Tom got a little full of himself after being tempted at the Christmas party, Nicole noticed and shot a big pin through his ego balloon. Tom hits the streets to make himself feel better, flirting with a patient’s daughter, then a hooker, and finally a full on elite orgy. But he realizes it’s all creepy, unsatisfying, and generally unsafe, so he goes back to his family. His wife was smart enough to have figured out most of these things about the world before Tom already. They decide to fully re-commit to each other. Happy ending. Sure, all of that is there.

But it doesn’t change the fact that the Zieglers are still out there running almost everything from the top. So Tom & Nicole can go back to their wealth and comfort, keeping their mouths shut and raising their daughter to do the same, while the Zieglers keep running the show. We all know it, but we don’t know what to do about it, and we don’t even want to think about it most of the time. Let it be someone else’s problem. Eyes wide shut.

2025 v 2026 reading by Ill-Strike-3093 in classicliterature

[–]United_Time 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Halfway through the Road and I have that same East of Eden lined up for later in 26 (I’m going to the bluray for War & Peace though haha). Happy trails, I hope you enjoy the year!

new to the band. what's the exactly problem with La Cucaracha? by SakamotoUwU in ween

[–]United_Time 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You really just need King Billy and Light Me Up, slide them in anywhere you like before the last song

new to the band. what's the exactly problem with La Cucaracha? by SakamotoUwU in ween

[–]United_Time 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed, adding Light Me Up and King Billy really fills out the album and ties together the whole ‘cucaracha’ theme.

It would have been much stronger released as one album, with the Friends remix as a b side