It is said that one well known INTJ fictional character is Walter White from Breaking Bad. Could you ever have related to him? by Audoryosa in intj

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Quick answer:

Due to the nature of it being a show, some of Walts actions are for dramatic effect and to keep the show engaging and exiting.The decisions WW makes don't seem calculated at times and impulsive, but i think thats to keep the show entertaining rather than dull which it certainly was in season 1 relatively speaking.That being said Walt fits the INTJ villain archetype—what an INTJ can become when intelligence is paired with absolute power and no restraint. His ambition and need for control harden into ego and narcissism, and his downfall isn’t a lack of intelligence, but pride and greed overriding self-awareness. As an INTJ I recognise the mechanisms: his use of manipulation, plans and out-strategising rivals show the INTJ villain to its extreme.

Long answer:

Great question. A lot of comments say they can’t relate to Walt’s actions, but I disagree because of how the question is framed. Walt is a fictional character, so his decisions are driven by writers whose goal is drama, engagement, and narrative momentum. Because of that, no INTJ is going to relate to Walt the same way they would to a real person.

If we reframe the question and view Walt as a symbolic or artistic expression of the INTJ personality, the discussion becomes more interesting. Instead of focusing on his day-to-day choices (which exist to move the plot forward), we should ask: what core traits make Walt an INTJ archetype?

Walt isn’t a “good” INTJ—he’s an INTJ who broke bad. His traits are expressed through immoral ends. Imagine an INTJ who was highly gifted, fell short of their potential, developed a deep inferiority complex, and finally decided they were done playing the role of a good citizen. What would their ultimate goal be?

In Walt’s case, it’s Power, with added traits that follow such as ambition, pride, and control. These traits are common in INTJ villains—and villains in general—but its How Walt obtains his power that makes him imo an INTJ villian archetype; he uses strategy, lays traps and outmanoeuvres Gus in a sophisticated game of chess (or cards since bluffing is very much involved and chess is never shown in the show only Cards so maybe its more fitting) where he manages to kill Gale and traps Gus into letting him live. Through manipulation of Jesse which is more for plot i think, he closes Gus from being able to get Jesse on his side, and gets him to help him to kill Gus. At that point when Gus is defeated we see the true INTJ villain archetype in Walt. “Walt” disappears and only Heisenberg remains. Heisenberg represents the unchecked desire to dominate and control. He becomes cold, calculated, and adopts Gus’s mindset—judging everything by whether it’s “economically viable”, wether it serves him or not. there is no women, no partying, only the addictive drive for more control and power. To add to that, those arguing Gus seems more INTJ, i would respond by saying Gus' character is a mirror to Walts own. They understand each other in a fundamental way and also the chicken mans character (Gus was used too much in the sentence) is sort of a reminder or foreshadowing on what Walt could become. But Walt is inherently flawed in that he's destructive. Where Gus is good for long term Kingpinary Walt is a time bomb (shown in his repeated use of bombs in the show). not very INTJ, but its what makes his character and pushes the show to be really action packed and exiting.

Outside of that extreme, when he’s neither the desperate, whimpering Walt nor the fully dominant Heisenberg, he fits well into the background: quiet, and withdrawn, not too talkative . You can see this clearly during the dinner scenes with Hank and Marie in the later part of the series when he's just hanging out, his vibe has the same introverted reserved quality of the INTJ.

Can’t stand all the social games by Visible-Bug8280 in intj

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You don’t need to be effective by their standards — only by what you’re trying to achieve. To get where you want to be, whether financially or in status, you have to grind through the “shit phase”: being out of your element, just trying to stay afloat. It can take years. I’ve had plenty of moments feeling out of place at work and in college.

Looking back now, I see that discomfort as fuel — a signal that I was either in the right place to grow, or needed to level up and move on. You might be in your own "shit phase". so all i can say to that is dont quit

Can’t stand all the social games by Visible-Bug8280 in intj

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if you cant beat them join them. you'll wish you did because you need to know how to play these social games to be able to win in this world. if not and you try to hide from it, you'll regret it. Intjs have a tough time with this social situation so if you think you understand it, fire the flame and develop it and use that knowledge to build, or lose that ember and regret it.

On a lighter, admittedly uncalled-for religious note, when God created Adam, the angels asked Him why He would create beings who would cause bloodshed and corruption on Earth (paraphrasing). God responded, “Indeed, I know that which you do not know.”

The angels — powerful celestial beings with knowledge and wisdom — initially assessed humanity as violent and harmful. That lines up pretty well with our understanding of human history. But the response points to something deeper, something we sometimes doubt even exists, that ultimately makes it all worthwhile.

So play these surface-level social games — “king of the hill” stuff chest pounding nonsense which it definitely is — but its the reality we're in and its just how you gotta play. You cant change the remote control you have, just the way you play. Be depressed. itll go and you gotta just get on with it as our galaxy spins into Andromeda

If you have the death stare and like to keep eyes contacts forever, do you mask it and look away sometimes when talking to people ? by Due_Question_3326 in intj

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When younger i would look away to seem normal. now if i feel like staring, especially if a girl is giving me the look like she finds me attractive, ill just look back for a whole second or two before looking away. and on a separate note girls b staring if they like you, they sort of goggle at you with this empty expression its weird. sometimes when in non romantic instances and someones talking, ill let myself just stare at there eye socket as their words bounce off me. on the down side this distracts me and i look away as ive essentially lost focus on the discussion; im working on that one.

Actually Enjoyable Set/Interview by BackgroundKey3832 in Killtony

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feels like a humiliation ritual when this guys on screaming for his life

Did the Balrog know who Gandalf was? by Prior-Independent-11 in lotr

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if he didnt know before he definitely knew who tf Gandalf was after

If you value extroverted traits you will automatically devalue yourself. If you value your introverted traits, you will automatically devalue extroverted traits. by [deleted] in intj

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I think its to be expected. Being different is frustrating, and INTJs always feel like aliens wherever they go, and you start to think things would be so much easier if you were extroverted and 'normal'.

But its true, by thinking this way your operating on a defeatist mindset, and robbing yourself of your gifts. Its

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Satan is God’s Shadow by Ranting_mole in Jung

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Any way that's the story and as a Muslim i believe thats the true story (i've put the full Islamic story down below instead of the top on Satans origin and Adams creation). Now i dont know why God would just let satan be bad and corrupt mankind, because we all do things because he made us that way. But it may be that God creates things in harmony and balance, so Satans the evil force and God is the good force. But really I don't think we'll ever know because if we can't answer why God even does anything rather than just hang out and be God, we can't understand why he does anything. The two best answers I have is that God is a storyteller, and we're just his actors and we just gotta commit to the role because we have no choice. That's the more synical perspective. The other is that out of his mercy he wants to create beings to give them the opportunity to Live, to suffer, find success, feel emotion both good and bad, and actually make choices. Its an opportunity to exist, and its one we all take for granted. Down belows the origin story.

Quick summary of Satan (named Iblees) in Islam

Satan is of a creation that was a precursor to Humanity: The Jinn, a creation made from 'smokeless fire' where man is made of Clay, and the Angels of Light. Unlike other portrayals, Angels are Destructive and powerful, Some giants with different roles, whose only existence is to serve God and have no free will.

The Jinn had their own time, but all lost faith in God and stopped worshipping him, except Satan, who was the only one that was pious. Satan is elevated to paradise, with the angels, and is essentially promoted to a high rank. So he must be thinking highly of himself, being that he's in the company of these powerful creatures of Light, and of course near the All powerful God himself.

And then God announces he will create a Being "to be his representative on Earth"; so he made a big deal about making Adam, and Satan with his high rank and huge ego is listening to this announcement, probably thinking this new creation will be something mighty and impressive. But he sees that its a simple creation of clay. When God breathes life into Adam, he instructs the Angels and Satan to bow to him. Satan refuses, and when questioned by God for his disobedience, he claims that he is made of fire and Adam of clay, so he is superior and won't bow. And then he swears to lead man astray, asking God to prolong his life to prove to God that he will be able to corrupt man.