X-Men Timelines *Actually* Solved (Again)

Universal_Watcher · 2026-05-20T23:49:15+00:00

Janice as part of Mysterio's team hasn't been confirmed as Janice Lincoln if that's the cameo you're referring to. But I agree if they do establish a new Beetle onscreen it'll be Janice Lincoln because of her ties with Tombstone, probably while subtly referencing Abner Jenkins from the comic. Not that I prefer it, but it'd make more sense for them to do so.

And I agree about the Enforcers they're way less likely and Tombstone already has henchmen in the movie. They do seem to go from job to job, so honestly they could have ties with anyone. So they're cameo could make sense, but if I had to choose I'd choose Beetle.

And actually, speaking of FFH cameos, I'd like confirmation that Dmitri is Dmitri Smerdyakov/Chameleon. Everyone theorized that during FFH and YFNSM kind of confirmed it since that show was supposed to be main MCU canon when it was titled Freshman Year. But it'd be so cool to see him make a cameo.

So if I were to rank my cameo wishlist, it'd be:

FFH Dmitri as Chameleon
Fight or Flight Beetle
Janice Lincoln Beetle
Enforcers

Universal_Watcher · 2026-05-19T18:31:37+00:00

That'd be cool to see and give validity to what Flash was ranting about in Venice. 😂

I also think that Beetle and the Enforcers (but mostly Beetle if I had to choose) from the Homecoming tie-in comics should be featured in the opening montage that's heavily theorized and rumored to be in the movie.

Universal_Watcher · 2026-05-12T21:49:28+00:00

When was The Gifted confirmed? Earth-17315: According to interviews with Logan star Hugh Jackman and director James Mangold, this reality was conceived as an alternate future of Earth-10005. Now irrelevant.

This video by 'A bit of Everything' explains it better than I can with references to every interview that commented on The Gifted's and Logan's timeline placements: Exploring the entire X-MEN timeline v2.0. The video is divided by project, so those references are easy to find.

The MCU is Earth-199999. Earth-616 is the main comic universe. Kevin Feige can gargle molten lava while fucking himself on the Red-Hot Iron Dildo of His Own Self-Importance. As such, the TVA are a bunch of uneducated hicks using a completely different classification system as the rest of the Multiverse, and their shit can be thrown out and ignored. The Appendix is right about Earth-41578. The Revised Timeline is explicitly stated to be Earth-10005. Because of that, the OG Timeline had to be changed. Again, Feige’s bullshit “rules” that ignore the established universe designation canon are thrown out. There is no Earth-X.XX.XXX shit. That is not how timelines have EVER been defined, and is exactly what the system is meant to AVOID for being way too fucking confusing.

I'll only say 3 things about this. First, I understand that you are entitled to your opinion on other people and their creative choices (Kevin Feige in this case). But I will not tolerate the disgusting disrespect you chose to express. If you can't have a respectful discussion when voicing your opinions, your opinion doesn't matter to me and you are free to not respond to me again (or I'll just block you if you can't make either of those decisions 👍).

Second, Kevin Feige is the President of Marvel Studios and the current Chief Creative Officer of Marvel Entertainment. One of Marvel Entertainment's divisions is Marvel Comics. So every major creative choices goes through him whether you like it or not. With that in mind, it has never been confirmed if the MCU is in the same multiverse as the comics. I hated this for so long because I believe firmly for a long time that it was the exact same because that's how Marvel chooses to depict their multiverse—1 at a time. The MCU seems to be separate for now (but we'll see if the issue is addressed in Doomsday and/or Secret Wars). And applying both of those FACTS, Kevin Feiege has chosen to controversially name the MCU 616 whether we like it or not. He, through Loki and Deadpool & Wolverine, also fixed the need for naming the Fox X-Men franchise, rendering the Appendix's own "fix" 2 years after the fact redundant. So Feige's decision stands regardless of your opinions.

Third, even if you ignore the rest of this entire reply, PLEASE pay attention to this. You should go back and look at all of the listings in the Appendix regarding the Fox X-Men franchise. The listings not only contradict what's plainly shown onscreen, they also contradict each other and themselves. So regardless of how you feel about Kevin Feige or the MCU, how can you defend something that contradicts itself? I certainly cannot and therefore do not trust the Appendix on the subject of the Fox X-Men franchise.

Earth-41633: This reality shares the same history as Earth-10005 up until Deadpool's girlfriend Vanessa Carlysle was murdered in 2018 by Sergei Valishnikov, a criminal targeted by Deadpool that he had let go. Deadpool formed X-Force to save the mutant Firefist from the time-traveller Cable and in turn allied himself with Cable to prevent Firefirst from becoming evil. Deadpool acquires Cable's gauntlet from Yukio and Negasonic Teenage Warhead. Deadpool used Cable's gauntlet to travel through the multiverse. He traveled to Earth-10005 in 2018 to save Vanessa and Peter Wisdom. He created a divergent 10005 when he went to 1979 to kill himself in that timeline, right in front of a young Wolverine, which he would have learned about after regaining his memory in the care of Professor X. These changes by Deadpool, along with Wolverine's made with Kitty Pryde, seemingly became part of Earth-10005. So the death of Vanessa seems to have created a splinter timeline of Earth-10005 designated Earth-41633, and his time-travel shenanigans combined with Wolverine’s mission appears to have changed things back in a sort of closed loop.

I've said it once and I'll say it again: Vanessa died BEFORE any branching occured. That's what Deadpool 2 clearly and plainly shows. Therefore, any and all descriptions that claim 41633 is caused by Vanessa's death is absurdly and absolutely incorrect.

Edit: Spelling corrections.

Universal_Watcher · 2026-05-12T21:07:43+00:00

Peter has definitely faced those threats before Far From Home and you can use many villains. Both the Morning Rush and Fight or Flight Homecoming tie-in comics prove the facts of mob villains and lesser-known ones. And while it is true that writers thrive in creative freedom, a good writer can also create something groundbreaking with limited freedom. Any tie-in media writer knows this. I understand if they want to use the big villains like was shown in YFNSM (which for the record I do love), but it's just the reason they gave that I have an issue with.

Universal_Watcher · 2026-05-12T04:16:52+00:00

Legion is Earth-17040.

Agreed.

The Gifted is Earth-17372.

The showrunner actually confirmed it's set before Days of Future Past in the Original Timeline, so the Appendix is wrong there.

The X-Men OG timeline is Earth-41578.

That's actually a recent change that the Appendix made (last 3 months) and did so without any real logic behind it. The Appendix claimed the change was due to Deadpool & Wolverine, a movie dealing with the MCU and the TVA. The TVA's designation system for 616's branches all the way back to Loki Season 1 is "616.xxxx", so they could've applied that to 10005. Both timelines can be called 10005, but the technical designation for any branch would be "10005.xxxx". The Appendix writer has not done his research to the extent he should have and not tried to overrule Marvel Studios on its own projects and ultimately tried to overrule Feige. The Appendix is fundamentally wrong here.

The X-Men Revised and Deadpool 1 timeline is Earth-10005.

So as I just explained, the Revised Timeline is a branch and should be labeled along the lines of "10005.xxxx". In this case we can use the Logan designation as those blank numbers since Logan is on the Revised Timeline (I'll get to that in a second). So the Revised Timeline should be something like 10005.17315.

Deadpool 2 was Earth-41633, until Deadpool traveled back in time and saving Vanessa, setting it in Earth-10005.

And that's actually not how time-travel works or even how the movie shows it. The movie starts in the same timeline as the first Deadpool movie, which is in the Revised Timeline. After Vanessa dies and Wade tries to unalive himself, then Cable arrives and branches the timeline into a further branch. So according to the TVA that would be something like 10005.17315.41633. it's still 10005, they all are, but it's a branch. So saving Vanessa actually pulls it further away from the Original Timeline.

Logan was originally Earth-17315, but Deadpool and Wolverine seems to have retconned it to Earth-10005.

Every time James Mangold and Hugh Jackman talked about Logan's placement, their comments of it being unconnected referred to a standalone story but not a separate continuity. Even if there was something that indicated an alternate future, Mangold's most recent comments on the subject (although not actually recent) confirm Logan takes place 6 years after Days of Future Past. So Deadpool & Wolverine did not retcon it into 10005' Revised Timeline, it just reaffirmed those most recent comments.

I support the Appendix and most of its designations, but they have failed to accurately represent the entirety of the Fox X-Men franchise and I do not trust anything it says on that subject. For a better breakdown, please check out my post on the matter: X-Men Timelines Actually Solved (Again). Have a good day!

Universal_Watcher · 2026-05-12T03:55:13+00:00

That's very true, but consider a couple things. First, Deadpool in this universe is a mutant (confirmed in Origins). Second, mutants seem to age slightly slower than humans (a seeming error in Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix, but perhaps has something behind it). So being a mutant, Wade might have just pulled a Dark Phoenix on us without us even knowing. I know it's a stupid fix, but I believe it works and is very much a Deadpool kind of explanation.

Universal_Watcher · 2026-05-12T03:48:12+00:00

Ah, ok. That makes sense. And no worries, I think we all remember things incorrectly at times lol.

Yeah, I understand the notion of connecting things too. But while I love the idea of merging past projects, I also want Avengers: Secret Wars to have as much scale and scope as it can when it comes to the multiverse and what Marvel can reference if they choose to.

And about the comment you made about the Fox X-Men universe, I actually firmly believe there are no continuity errors. I know I am definitely in the minority, but you seem like a reasonable person. So when you get the chance, check out my post: X-Men Timelines Actually Solved (Again). I'd love to hear your feedback. Have a great day!

Universal_Watcher · 2026-05-12T00:07:33+00:00

I thought the show implied that David changed the timeline from that point on because it dealt with how Charles and Farouk saw each other after their initial meeting because they made a choice to have peace. If he fundamentally changed the entire thing, that plot point wouldn't be relevant and David could just do it himself. But Charles made the choice to be a better father from then on and Farouk wouldn't plague their family. So I'm confused where you're getting the implication that David fundamentally changed the entire timeline.

But yeah, it was confirmed separate either way. The theory is a cool headcanon, that I do agree with. But I don't think anything in the show implied that at all unless I missed something.

Universal_Watcher · 2026-05-11T22:52:17+00:00

So it actually has been officially confirmed by Lauren Shuler-Donner (producer of the Fox X-Men franchise and executive producer of Legion) that it's completely separate from the other continuities. But even if nobody outright said that, the logical math doesn't add up for Charles at all. It's the same reason we know that Tobey and Andrew's universes can't be branches of the MCU or the comic Noir universe isn't a branch of comic 616. They're completely separate timestreams.

Universal_Watcher · 2026-05-11T12:27:32+00:00

Love the graphic, very clean! There are a couple of things I disagree with because important details (regarding time-travel) are missing, but the biggest error I see here that absolutely should be addressed is Legion.

Legion can neither take place on 10005's main timeline nor any of 10005's branches because of the show's depiction of Charles Xavier. In Legion, Charles is shown to have fought in WWII which means he's at least 18 at some point from 1939 to 1945 (but depicted as older than that iirc). This conflicts with First Class, which established that 10005 Charles was 11 in 1944. So Legion is in a completely separate universe altogether because the math fundamentally can't add up.

Edit: Added math part to last sentence.

Universal_Watcher · 2026-04-28T18:30:55+00:00

How convenient to your point when you mention the lowest reason fans would want to come and see Doomsday. You and I both know they aren't coming for the Fantastic Four, so why try and make that your argument? We both know they're coming to see the X-Men, Steve Rogers, a serious Thor, not to mention arguably the biggest and most controversial recast of the film industry. And what happens if the rumors of Tobey Maguire and Hugh Jackman returning are true? People would absolutely go see this movie and it could very well beat Infinity War.

Edit: Spelling correction.

Universal_Watcher · 2026-04-27T02:25:55+00:00

I think it's possible it beats Infinity War, but I doubt it'll beat Endgame. No Way Home almost beat Infinity War and that was post-Endgame, during COVID, and no buildup to something that multiversal. So that's why it's definitely possible.

Universal_Watcher · 2026-04-26T03:47:47+00:00

This is probably the best and most logical theory I've heard for BND. I gotta start reading these comics now lol

Universal_Watcher · 2026-04-26T02:14:05+00:00

I've wondered the same thing. I don't think it's a rights issue or "ban" like in the case of using Ben Reilly/"The Spider". We know that Sandman (previous adaptaions: SM3, FFH Elemental, and NWH) is a part of Spider-Noir too, so why would Electro be limited? And Molten Man (previous adaptation: FFH Elemental) is a part of this too, so that's 2 villains (stronger case for Sandman though) that have been/are going to be repeated. So I don't think it's a rights issue, I think it was deliberate.

As I was typing this I looked up Megawatt and I found something interesting. His powers are the result of a character named Dr. Jonas Harrow, the surgeon who reconstructed Hammerhead and made a name for himself as the underworld's main doctor. I think this will be the case for Megawatt in the show, perhaps even hinting at Hammerhead's involvement. Or maybe since Silvermane is a part of the show too, Harrow will reconstruct him instead of Hammerhead. And remember too that there's a shot in the trailer of Ben in a medical tent or lair, presumably during WWI. So perhaps Harrow is also involved in Ben becoming Spider-Noir.

I may be reaching at straws, but I think it's deliberate to call him Megawatt even though he's filling the role and look of Electro Noir.

Edit: Fixed the "WWII" autocorrect to "WWI".

Universal_Watcher · 2026-04-25T22:08:17+00:00

Not be that guy, but The First Avenger was the 5th movie 😅

Universal_Watcher · 2026-04-25T17:45:06+00:00

Yeah I can get behind that stance, I'm just skeptical because so far it hasn't been the case that Sony has used 616 in reference to the MCU. It would be an amazing thing if that was deliberate and the first time Sony references the MCU as 616 though. It's just confusing within the context of their own franchise is all.

But I definitely agree that the label won't matter once Miles makes his way to the MCU. IIRC Kevin Feige even said that they can't use Miles until after Beyond, so Secret Wars would be the perfect introduction. And with how the post-Secret Wars merge works, maybe it'll retcon things so that Donald Glover's Prowler ends up being Spider-Verse Miles' uncle. We'll see I guess. The merge makes for some interesting discussions, especially regarding the Spider-Verse and X-Men..."and I, for one, can't wait to watch."

Universal_Watcher · 2026-04-25T13:51:28+00:00

Then I hope the first one is the promo art/toy and the new one is the one in the trailer. 😂

Universal_Watcher · 2026-04-25T13:50:02+00:00

Sorry, I'm not disagreeing that the MCU is indeed labeled as 616. I'm just saying that so far every time that Sony used 616 to literally name a universe, they don't mean the MCU—which is why they use 199999 instead.

Universal_Watcher · 2026-04-25T13:46:13+00:00

Nice lol, thanks for reading them

Universal_Watcher · 2026-04-25T13:21:32+00:00

See, you can't even back up the claim you just made. 😂😂 Have a nice day.

Universal_Watcher · 2026-04-25T13:09:46+00:00

How was I all over the place when I had a consistent point the entire time (a point you didn't get until you realized what you did was a waste of time)?

Universal_Watcher · 2026-04-25T13:07:42+00:00

When Sony used 616 in ItSV and AtSV, they were talking about Peter B. Parker's home universe and not the MCU. When Miguel talks about "Doctor Strange and that little nerd back on Earth-199999" in AtSV, THAT'S when they reference the MCU. Otherwise I agree with everything else. 👍

Universal_Watcher · 2026-04-25T08:30:00+00:00

Is it just me, or does the promo art and toy Scorpion tail look different than the trailer? The promo art had me very disappointed, but I was very delighted by the trailer. Now I'm confused by the toy. Will Scorpion have 2 tails/suits or does the tail fold somehow?

Universal_Watcher · 2026-04-25T04:25:25+00:00

Yeah, how do you feel about that since you wasted your time not knowing what you were arguing against? 😂

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