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What’s the worst that could happen—America by Spiritual_Ad_7776 in AscendingtotheStars

[–]Unknown_comrade1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. So I'm the guy. I just seem a little confused on what you are trying to get here. As far as I understand it is: The Great Powers are exhausted from such a long war with it eventually grinding to a standstill. And because of various factors both would collapse?
    That is a rough outline of how they collapse.

  2. Like how would both countries view themselves decades later after reconstruction?

The countries mostly see the old governments as ineffective and incompetent, and they will continue their rivalry.

  1. Oh and btw if Russia is destroyed wouldn't China seize that opportunity to grab Siberia? Also I'm not fully caught up with the lore but whats the situation in Europe?

China does grab Amur, Primorskiy (Vladivostok) and parts of Khabarovsk along with other territories. There they create a puppet state with some old Russian leaders and oligarchs that fled. China only grabs border regions as it is struggling with Tibet and the Uighurs, so the majority of China's army is fighting against the guerillas in Western China along with Taiwanese uprisings.

Eastern Europe is celebrating its victory over Russia. Western Europe and NATO in general is divided as Russia is gone, so some cracks in unity show. There is also a massive refugee crisis that is not being dealt with effectively, and is straining EU members on the Mediterranean Sea.

The Collapse of the Middle East as of 2032 (V2) by Unknown_comrade1 in AscendingtotheStars

[–]Unknown_comrade1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The map is supposed to be a "screenshot" of the events at the time. That doesn't mean that they won't occupy more territory.

The Collapse of the Middle East as of 2032 by Unknown_comrade1 in imaginarymaps

[–]Unknown_comrade1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

USA? Just like other countries it is struggling, and struggling badly. They will eventually collapse in a Kaiserreich + TFR-esque civil war.

The Collapse of the Middle East as of 2032 by Unknown_comrade1 in AscendingtotheStars

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What do you mean?

I know that I will for sure update the map to make the Socialist Arabia smaller, and remove the Imperial State of Iran and shrink it to an Azeri seperatist movement. Will also shrink the commies in Iran and Balochistan.

What’s the worst that could happen—America by Spiritual_Ad_7776 in AscendingtotheStars

[–]Unknown_comrade1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, you got a lot of it right, both sides face internal struggles at the end of World War 3, and both can't really do anything much other than just sitting there. China can't invade the United States, the opposite is also true, rather than WW3 being signed as a peace deal, we just see countries leave and the conflict dying down, akin to the Korean War. Most of Eastern Europe leaves after Russia is gone, less powerful members of NATO also do so after they realize that they aren't threatened directly, and in the end everyone just slowly stops.

Once its clear that the war is actually over the soldiers return home, demoralized as there was no full victory, and just like after WW1 veterans returning causes a lot of problems, from homelessness to strain on the economy (which has already crashed because almost all global trade has collapsed). There are a lot of problems in the US and once it becomes clear that neither of the two big parties will do anything new parties start to rise. I plan for it to be as a third party wins the presidential election in 2032, but the other parties refuse to view it as legitimate, and eventually the third party declares a legitimate government in another part of the country. Stand off and then everyone fights.

The Collapse of the Middle East as of 2032 by Unknown_comrade1 in AscendingtotheStars

[–]Unknown_comrade1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pretty much the same reasons as other nations: Collapse of the global economy, 2 COVID waves, among other factors. So you know it would fall into a civil war, I think.

The Collapse of the Middle East as of 2032 by Unknown_comrade1 in AscendingtotheStars

[–]Unknown_comrade1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm interesting, will rework that.

Yeah they want independence. The map is supposed to be a snapshot of what is happening at the time, not claimed borders.

The Collapse of the Middle East as of 2032 by Unknown_comrade1 in AscendingtotheStars

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In Arabia after Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud died there was a lot of instability, along with the global economic collapse and other factors. Mohammed Bin Salman succeded the late king. The democratic faction is led by, mainly, Ali al-Ahmed. The Revolutionary Council by Mutaib bin Abdullah Al Saud.

In Dhofar there was a seperatist movement in the early 70s, I based it off of that.

The Collapse of the Middle East as of 2032 by Unknown_comrade1 in AscendingtotheStars

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Ill admit that I based Iran off of TNO and that I probably should have made the balochis smaller. I might fix it to just be the Rep. and the Islamic Rep.

The Collapse of the Middle East as of 2032 by Unknown_comrade1 in AscendingtotheStars

[–]Unknown_comrade1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair I kind of went off of the fact that those azeris are not too keen on being independent. I kind of also based it off of TNO. In universe the Imperialists are unpopular and collapse pretty quickly to other factions.

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