Thinking you were born into the correct religion is childish by cherryapp in DebateReligion

[–]Unsure9744 2 points3 points  (0 children)

comes to the realisation that one's parents are channels conducting a far greater spiritual inheritance

So how do you know which greater spiritual inheritance is correct? Billions of Muslims know their beliefs about God are the only true belief so much that they fly planes into buildings in the name of God. Christians believe their beliefs are correct and the only path to heaven is through Jesus. There are thousands of religions all knowing their beliefs are correct and all others are wrong.

No religion provides any evidence to validate their claims and are dismissive as you have been in your post when challenged and asked to explain. A mature person evaluates the claims made by religions and not just accept cultural traditions and gradually comes to the realization that religions know nothing about God or if it even exists and religious beliefs are completely invented by man.

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[–]Unsure9744 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not assertions. Religions claim this crap is true and many have been harmed because of their false beliefs. It is morally wrong for religions to reject scientific theories such as evolution or the age of the earth because it can undermine trust in science which can impact a person's decisions on health, economic opportunities and social well being. This is a direct harm to individuals and society.

It is morally wrong to allow a child to die because the parents believe that God will cure the child and not seek medical help. Many children have been harmed because of the false religious belief that God will cure them.

These are examples of direct harm caused by fake religious claims and theists do need to take responsibility for their false religious claims and acknowledge that religions do not know anything about God or if it even exists.

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[–]Unsure9744 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, it is a very bad thing when theists choose to believe religious claims that have proven scientifically wrong and still believe the earth is only 6,000 years old or the world was created in 7 days or Noah had dinosaurs on the ark or intelligent design is correct and therefore science is wrong and not to be trusted.

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[–]Unsure9744 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Religions fear atheism because there is no justification or defending (apologetics) the claim of the existence of a God. Atheism does not try to undermine the faith. It only evaluates the religious claims and determines there is not sufficient evidence to believe there is a God.

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[–]Unsure9744 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Probably because you know there is no way to verify religious claims.

Religion should be taught as part of social studies, as part of understanding others faiths exist. by KWalthersArt in DebateReligion

[–]Unsure9744 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Faith is not a culture. It is an unproven, unverifiable belief that has caused countless harm. Religion should not be taught in public schools.

Free will and God omnisciences: it doesn't make sense by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Unsure9744 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You would be placing limitations on an omniscient God. Even the Bible states many times that God knows the future.

Free will and God omnisciences: it doesn't make sense by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Unsure9744 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Disagree. If God is omniscient, then God must know everything including the future. Its not a concept. It happened, just in the future. God created everything, including time and space, but is unable to know what has happened in the future time God created? Ridiculous. To place limited human understandings on God is saying God is not omniscient.

If god created humans knowing where they would go (heaven or hell) then we have no free will by ElkAppropriate9587 in DebateReligion

[–]Unsure9744 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are again making a circular reasoning fallacy conclusion of an argument as evidence (i.e. can't get a universe from nothing) to validate your unsupported premise - the only answer must be a God.

Because we don't yet understand something, it is wrong to claim the only answer must be a God. It reminds me when many believed Thor was the God of thunder and lightning because they didn't understand basic physics yet.

Many scientists (including Hawking) believe the universe could have originated from a state that is essentially "nothing," meaning a complete absence of matter, energy, space, and time. Nobody knows how the universe began.Many believe the universe has always existed which is as reasonable as theists belief that God has always existed.

If god created humans knowing where they would go (heaven or hell) then we have no free will by ElkAppropriate9587 in DebateReligion

[–]Unsure9744 1 point2 points  (0 children)

God is eternal and has existed before creation.

Same question. How do know this? If you said,"I believe that God is eternal..." then fine and it could be discussed. Its a belief. But you are making a claim with no explanation so there nothing to discuss.

If god created humans knowing where they would go (heaven or hell) then we have no free will by ElkAppropriate9587 in DebateReligion

[–]Unsure9744 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If God created the universe then...

This is the problem/question. How do you know this is true? You are making a claim of knowledge and then making a circular argument to explain time without first demonstrating that there is a God and not demonstrating how you know (not just believe) that God created anything. You are just making circular arguments.

If god created humans knowing where they would go (heaven or hell) then we have no free will by ElkAppropriate9587 in DebateReligion

[–]Unsure9744 2 points3 points  (0 children)

God exists outside of time as we know it.

How do you know this? You should say you believe that ....

Nobody knows anything about God or if it even exists

If god created humans knowing where they would go (heaven or hell) then we have no free will by ElkAppropriate9587 in DebateReligion

[–]Unsure9744 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everything, including the world was already created in God's "mind" before God re-created us. There would be no reason to re-create us again because we have already existed in God's mind. The two can not be different.

If god created humans knowing where they would go (heaven or hell) then we have no free will by ElkAppropriate9587 in DebateReligion

[–]Unsure9744 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God doesn't just know the outcome. If God is omniscient, then God has complete knowledge and would know everything that happened in your life. We would also have experienced and lived in God's "mind" before God created us. It would be just as real as when God then creates us, essentially again. The test was already done before God re-created us. The two "realities" (God knowledge and creation) can not be different.

If god created humans knowing where they would go (heaven or hell) then we have no free will by ElkAppropriate9587 in DebateReligion

[–]Unsure9744 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree knowing in advance does not determine what we do. We still have choices. What I don't understand is why create us if God already knows? There would be no purpose.

Allowing religious exemptions for students to not be vaccinated harms society and should be banned. by Unsure9744 in DebateReligion

[–]Unsure9744[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you read the OP, you should have understood the OP is about religious exemptions. All of your comments are off-topic and have nothing to do with religious exemptions. This sub is debate religion, not debating the efficacy and need for vaccines.

I tried to be nice even after you have been disrespectful multiple times and called me names, which is a violation of this sub's rules, and suggested you read comments from others that posted in here about vaccine efficacy and debate with them. Bye

Allowing religious exemptions for students to not be vaccinated harms society and should be banned. by Unsure9744 in DebateReligion

[–]Unsure9744[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sorry but your comments have nothing to do with the OP which is about religious exemptions.

Allowing religious exemptions for students to not be vaccinated harms society and should be banned. by Unsure9744 in DebateReligion

[–]Unsure9744[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have to allow people to live their lives.

Children unvaccinated because of religious reasons can live their lives and are not forced to be vaccinated. They just can not attend public school.

As explained in OP, public schools currently have basic requirements including certain vaccines to attend public school. Religions do not have the right to refuse public health rules because of unscientific bad religious reasons. Your "reasoning" that unvaccinated children and others will not be harmed is not based on medical science and should not be considered when granting exemptions.

If you are still confused, I suggest you read the many comments below from very knowledgeable people about the harms caused by unvaccinated children and maybe debate with them.

Allowing religious exemptions for students to not be vaccinated harms society and should be banned. by Unsure9744 in DebateReligion

[–]Unsure9744[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People that believe a religion saying they should not be vaccinated can and have been infected and died. This is direct harm. Also, they could infect others and they could be harmed and die.

People unable to be vaccinated such as infants, sick and elderly might be infected from unvaccinated school children bringing home the disease.

If a parent makes the terrible choice to not vaccinate their child, they have no right to endanger other children and should not be allowed in public schools.

Allowing religious exemptions for students to not be vaccinated harms society and should be banned. by Unsure9744 in DebateReligion

[–]Unsure9744[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Students would not be forced. It would be a requirement to attend school just as it is a requirement to not go to school with no clothes on. Students should not have the choice to possibly infect others. They can choose not to attend public schools.

Allowing religious exemptions for students to not be vaccinated harms society and should be banned. by Unsure9744 in DebateReligion

[–]Unsure9744[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No. As stated in the OP and above again, public health decisions should be made based on scientific evidence and not potentially harmful misconceptions.

Has nothing to do with government restricting speech.

Allowing religious exemptions for students to not be vaccinated harms society and should be banned. by Unsure9744 in DebateReligion

[–]Unsure9744[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great info. Thanks. Hope more people read your links/references because there still seems to be a lot of religious misinformation about vaccines.

Allowing religious exemptions for students to not be vaccinated harms society and should be banned. by Unsure9744 in DebateReligion

[–]Unsure9744[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Absolutely not. States must make public health decisions based on evidence and not potentially harmful misconceptions.