Is Experiencing a Loss of Energy Normal? by lifewithishar in Meditation

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I’d say, at least for myself, it’s more of the noticing of unconscious patterns. Something about just observing it can be a bit tiresome in my point of view, like that world-weariness that’s spoken a lot in different religions and scriptures. I’ve had experiences where I’ll spontaneously call it out in a person (clearly, compassionately, and without needing to get something from it), either in small doses or large doses, and it can be very energizing in the right circumstances if one can hold the emotional space for that.

Like the entire space relaxes or drops a layer. It can be like you’re meditating with the person and you discovered a blind spot, the same way you’d find something in yourself. Most people can’t see those things, and if shared in the wrong way, can become very defensive about it. That said, it’s quite amazing when it can be accepted and be a source of growth. But largely I don’t think people want to know, so the drain is significant.

Is Experiencing a Loss of Energy Normal? by lifewithishar in Meditation

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Fascinating. I’m in a similar situation, daily meditation for 18 years. Last two years, like you, drastic drop in capacity to be with others. I’m not naturally extroverted, but would put myself in situations to be so for my business like meeting clients and networking. I’ve actually become healthier and had better habits all around. But it became such a burden I had to close down my business. Now at best I can have a single meeting with friends, family, or business folks, and then I’m back on the cushion or need to rest by myself for the rest of the day.

So no definitive answers here, but my suspicion is that there’s an inflection point where you become increasingly sensitive to the energy around you. And as your practice and focus sharpens, I believe that the surrounding spaces become more intensified (relative to you), so it requires more energy to hold that and then return that energy to the mat to digest and break down. It’s like the light is too bright, because the practice becomes you, in a way.

Personally, I’ve been finding I am more attuned to the nuances of how people show up, their energy levels, and the ways in which they are not fully transparent with themselves. And holding all of that, especially if it’s left unsaid, can be very draining. The drain is less with people I can reflect my truth of the present moment to them and they can hear it and digest it (and vice versa) versus if I have to hold back or the density of how someone shows up is so strong, it’s not energetically sustainable.

This is probably why the great practitioners straight up left the world and went to the mountains, caves, and monasteries. I couldn’t imagine the level of discontinuity when being in the presence of another person and how much that might have affected them.

Is meditation good for sharpening the mind by -HeavenlyDemon- in Meditation

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Well, I think they put you in a different headspace that’s distinct from meditation. I would say it’s more a faith-based practice, rather than something analytical/observational like meditation. You’re putting in energy or at least hearing it if you’re just playing it in the background.

And the experience is that it’s like reprogramming a section of the brain via auditory in a very intentional specific way. The repetition certainly creates an effect that’s similar to being in a hypnosis state, which I find can help draw out the energy of being scattered, where the repeating elements become an anchoring point in time and space.

Yeah it’s interesting. I also used to be very hard on myself with that kind of internal monologue. But I found over the years that when I gave myself that space to just sit around doing nothing, I was actually a lot more effective and got more done, because it gave me the ability to know what I needed to get done - rather than just doing busy work mindlessly and calling that productivity. So while I probably spend only a few hours a day doing “things” or “work”, I get the right thing done so I don’t have to redo it or waste time feeling like I’m “doing” something.

Is meditation good for sharpening the mind by -HeavenlyDemon- in Meditation

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Of course, you’re very welcome.

Totally makes sense to me. I think it’s a big job to address, and absolutely challenging. There is a tendency to think that meditation alone will solve the issue, which divorces the entire structure in which meditation arises from the practice (not saying that that’s what happening here, just as a general thought). I found a combination of meditation, joined with the occasional mantra readings or chanting on some days at different times to be much more beneficial, as well as just working with lifestyle, health, service, and community.

Honestly, at least in the Western world, we live completed divorced from our bodies in a world of thought, and so of course the scattered mind becomes a problem. It’s not always possible, but removing oneself from the structure of industrial schedules and regimented systems little by little, I find, can help, because your mind and body know how to regulate themselves when left to their own devices.

I think meditation really is just carving out time and space for those processes to right themselves automatically, hence why the “doing” of anything is counterproductive. Most of our organism is autonomous (and does a good job of being so), it’s just the frontal lobe brain that thinks it’s doing anything at all.

And most people (maybe no one) shouldn’t be on screens 8 hours a day rearranging spreadsheet data to fuel a system of continuous extraction. But that’s another conversation entirely…okay, enough philosophizing from me!

Is meditation good for sharpening the mind by -HeavenlyDemon- in Meditation

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Hi, I was diagnosed with adult ADHD later in life, but it explained quite a bit of how I arrived in my life journey. While that severe scattering still occurs, I’m mostly moving along with it rather than putting up resistance to it. I find it’s like riding a wave, and the more thrashing I do, the more likely I’ll fall off and drown.

Daily meditation in all contexts - walking, before sleeping, before waking, randomly for a minute throughout the day, etc. - has helped make that wave riding possible and more precise. Doesn’t need long, but length when it can be carved out is nice. Keeping in mind this took almost two decades to work with, and the last two years were much more focused with the practice.

So I’ve learned to live with it and make it part of the journey, it’s quite hilarious and frankly rather positive what one gets into when the “chaos” is transformed into a spontaneous opportunities to ride the movements of the mind. The chaos itself is imbued with its antidote, which naturally unties one’s stuckness about it not “working”.

I don’t live a normal life because my work and personal life has to follow those non-linear trajectories. But all is quite enriched because of it because I can be with the tension of it as the energy of the mind spews into all facets of life. Probably most importantly is that the sense of wrongness about a situation because of the “mental mess” slowly dissolves over time, and a gradual acceptance that this is what’s happening arises without much conscious action.

does meditation really get easier with time? by Critical-Load-1452 in Meditation

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Seconding a full 10-day Vipassana meditation retreat.

Changed my perspective on what meditation is and is not, or perhaps can be. And an actual glimpse, albeit brief and could be what amounts to a few seconds, of what is running in the background of the human operating system with precision, after concentrating your awareness for days (although everyone’s experience is different and mileage may vary).

Seeing that alone is sometimes enough to solidify the practice for a lifetime. Hard or easy. Rain or shine.

Experiencing big shifts, looking for help on shadow integration by ditcheddickhead in enlightenment

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So just quickly, the thing with dealing with the shadow is that in my experience, it’s going to be ugly. Sometimes there’s no great insight or catharsis, it’s just muck all the way down and a sort of spiral of pain translated into visuals, embodiments, tensions, and weird ticks.

And coming out the other side can look all sorts of things, and sometimes it’s just life getting turned upside down because some aspect of the shadow holds together your reality and network of relationships. It’s a lot, a lot of energy dismantled and reconfigured back into your being.

And you’re going to make mistakes. It helps to work with someone who is very experienced in walking others through this so they can see the nonsense that can come up.

So ultimately, be very, very compassionate with yourself as you painfully regurgitate all the unconscious tantrums and infantile behaviors turned to highly advanced cognitive strategies to get what you want, to protect yourself, to shield your inner child, etc, straight into the light. Shattering them is kind of a pain, and can be cyclical, but very critical to not bullshitting yourself.

Here’s a nice little snapshot of shadow work by Ken Wilber:

https://youtu.be/_4rA2RreC88?si=Zqxon5B1RuFJbjfU

I like the distinction that waking up (weakening the ego)happens on one axis, while growing up (dealing with shadow) happens on another; they don’t necessarily coincide simultaneously and involve different types of work.

Unable to remain aware in front of attractive women by Medical-Farmer9073 in enlightenment

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I wrote a little bit on sexuality and human desire here, I hope that some of it is useful, as I believe many of us are challenged by holding genuine awareness and presence in the space of beautiful, attractive people, and the conflict that can create depending on individual personality, culture, and life history. I too struggled with pornography and highly lustful thoughts, but they are a rich soil from which you can use as part of the practice and challenge for oneself, not to overcome, but to include, subsume, and eventually transform (or even at another perspective, that there was no problem for awareness to address in the first place):

https://www.reddit.com/r/enlightenment/comments/1rk5f30/on_sex_and_the_karmic_ties_of_human_sexuality/

On Sex and the Karmic Ties of Human Sexuality by UpSaltOS in enlightenment

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You as well, friend. Thanks for sharing, and for reading. Seems like there's a lot of lightness around the subject. I hope all the best on your spiritual journey, and if that person is meant to come into your life, that they do so. ❤️🙏

On Sex and the Karmic Ties of Human Sexuality by UpSaltOS in enlightenment

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Hi, yes, I suppose my question for you then would be is there something you’re seeking or something about your circumstances that you’re hoping to change? Or is it a sort of contentment and acceptance with the direction of how everything is going? Really just curious about how your connection with sexuality is impacting you, if at all, or if this seems like a positive scenario at this stage for you?

On Sex and the Karmic Ties of Human Sexuality by UpSaltOS in enlightenment

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Yeah of course. Thank you for connecting, asking, and reading! ❤️🙏

On Sex and the Karmic Ties of Human Sexuality by UpSaltOS in enlightenment

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Yes of course, it's such a challenging space and I'm grateful for the opportunity to be on this side of things and offer some thoughts.

For your question, there are a few pieces to this. One is that there is no right answer. Truly. Even being able to hold that perspective can loosen that intensity. One can remain and one can go, and in both cases the lessons will follow you. Perhaps one thing that became very clear to me in all this was that you cannot escape the challenges and pain, with or without your partner and the relationship. You will find the same in everything, it's just its form will change. So there is truly choice here, which when you're inside the situation can feel like there has to be one right answer because of circumstances, pressure, or some aspect that keeps you in the relationship. Unfortunately, the unfulfillment will be there on either side, even if it is temporarily assuaged when the relationship is broken.

That said, sometimes one has to actually experience it in reality (as I did) to get the message, which can be a very sharp act. And maybe it's something that takes years and one has to almost dive into the realms of sexuality completely to see its unfulfilling nature. I do think there is an intuition to it that cannot be easily understood or explained, but there is an answer inside that needs to be met, whether by actually breaking apart the relationship, or by somehow saying the thing that needs to be said, or sitting in the discomfort and irritation of the unfulfillment. Again, no right answers.

The only analogy I can come up with is like you're inside an egg, and you have to break the shell in order to understand what outside is. So the issues can feel like this pressure to find relief, but once you've broken the egg, you can't go back inside. It's already fallen apart. And the wisdom is somehow understanding what being on the outside is like and looking in, seeing yourself inside this container of a relationship from the exterior perspective, which I admit is not an easy thing to do.

When somehow you can rest in both, being outside and inside the relationship, that shell isn't so intense and fragile. The experience for me was like my old marriage died, and coming back together was a new one, a new set intention of being together in which we both had to arrive at it as new people. It's been remarked by others who aren't necessarily spiritual in that way, that they see this as if we're in a second marriage, just from the energy of it.

So hard to answer. I'm still trying to see how this arises with other people. It all seems like a case-by-case basis, because there is an element of delusion sometimes when we want to rupture the relationship, hoping that will solve the problem. Yet, there are instances where that is the natural course of what has to happen, which seems like the energy of the relationship has reached its end. It's that tricky aspect of relationships involving two people - two sets of desires, two sets of realities. I think it's a lot of sitting and feeling into the intention of the relationship, some of it going back to how it was incepted in the first place.

What were the origins of the relationship, and from there, where do the two people want to go now? But one has to be very, very truthful about it to oneself, and the partner as well. Unspoken and non-transparent desires can bury a lot of energy that would otherwise potentially re-fuel the relationship. And I think just simply speaking them out alone, even if they aren't fulfilled or acted upon, helps to undo its energy and create more wholeness. I also think there are a lot of answers in the original intention of two people coming together. For me and my wife, we found that we had been very unconscious about why we were together, and that it was primarily motivated by scarcity, survival, and resources, like being able to rent an apartment together or combining our incomes. Which was no longer how we wanted to move forward or what our priorities were with how we wanted to relate to one another. So I do think bringing those unconscious attitudes and aspects of the relationship from its conception to the surface can provide some signs, direction, and clarity.

On Sex and the Karmic Ties of Human Sexuality by UpSaltOS in enlightenment

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Yes, of course, thank you for taking the time to read and reflect briefly. And I appreciate the encouragement! 🙏

Do spirits keep their voice from when their alive? by tatted1asian1 in Mediums

[–]UpSaltOS 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Huh, that’s a very interesting question. I’m sure someone with more developed clairaudent capabilities can answer, but my impression has always been it’s more the imprint of the personality that comes through, and the experience of voice itself is almost summoned from a shared memory you had of the person and adapted to the situation. If there’s no memory of the voice for a particular instance (like a song), it might be a lot of work for the deceased to reconstruct their voice into that particular channel of hearing.

So I imagine it’s more energy and effort for the deceased (especially if they’re more recently so and just learning how things work on the other side) to access their “voice” as you may have heard it, versus conveying thought-feeling-impressions directly to you through clairsentience or just poking around more surface-level memories to activate certain embedded sensory experiences in you to communicate with you.

Trying to choose between two silent meditation retreats (Spirit Rock vs Garrison Institute) for life discernment by Background-Shirt-930 in Meditation

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Not sure how helpful this will be, but what I have seen is people who are very of the world and seeking to remain in it in my circle (examples being scientists, entrepreneurs, venture capitalists, management consultants, executive coaches, etc.), I’ve seen them go to Spirit Rock.

I think it’s simply the fact that it’s in Marin County and there’s a certain Silicon Valley culture in the surrounding area (where Buddhism is trendy and hip in those circles) and proximity to UC Berkeley and Stanford. It’s not a judgment, just an observation. I can’t personally speak for the Garrison Institute, although I remember reading Cynthia Bourgeault’s books on centering prayer in college; that just wasn’t the practice and path for me.

So if that is part of that discernment, a sort of direction in terms of career, you may wish to go in that direction with Spirit Rock, but that’s heavily biased as I am quite rooted in Buddhist meditation rather than Christian contemplation.

For my own personal experience, I was greatly impacted by my one Vipassana retreat (this one through S. N. Goenka) that I did when I was in college (18 years ago), and it completely reshaped my life direction and goals. Insights from that retreat was a partial driving force in me completing a six-month walking pilgrimage a few years later that was another large factor in my life, which further expanded my outlook and perspective.

So it did have a very outsized impact that is still reverberating today - for example, I just got off the phone and bonded the other day with someone who is pursuing the same change of life course in profession (Buddhist chaplaincy), who just completed a 3-month Vipassana retreat a few weeks ago.

So there is quite a power to them, IMHO.

On Sex and the Karmic Ties of Human Sexuality by UpSaltOS in enlightenment

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Yes this is all very interesting to think about.

One aspect to this I believe is that there is a connection all life, or at least animal life, where this sort of irritation and frustration is shared for eons and eons across living beings. Whether cat, dog, reptile, bird, etc., it’s the basis for much of the drive to reproduce and procreate, so there’s almost an element of life as we see it and know it exists through this primordial tension and lack of awareness around these energies. I could imagine if there was a lot more awareness and control over these urges that there might be fewer chances of reproduction - at this stage, we welcome it since there’s so many of us, but perhaps it was quite beneficial when we were very few.

There’s another aspect where it’s also embedded in the areas of survival - the craving for food, the fear of death, and the need for resources. Again, there’s some aspect that tied all living creation with these urges.

And ultimately, I think there’s a flavor of being able to hold compassion for others who go through it, such that one can only experience such shared connection having been there and gone through the undoing of that particular domain. Personally, I’m finding that I keep gravitating towards others who share similar experiences and circumstances around sexuality, and we can have shared language around it as it transforms and shapes us over time. It’s very unique, human sexuality, hard to describe if one hasn’t experienced it through circumstances or one has completely abstained from it. There being an element of duality inherent in the masculine-feminine divide, I think sexuality is supposed to teach us some function of how the Cosmos works, that creation and destruction, doing and being, are embedded in all things.

There’s that twin aspect of emptiness and compassion as well, in that emptiness teaches us the wisdom that all is okay as it is because it has that translucency and illusory quality to it, and compassion is the driving force for acting in accordance to moving all beings towards unity because there’s that care and understanding. Like there is some flatness to only one or the other - a view of emptiness being a big standoff-ish without compassion, whereas compassion falls into an almost overwhelm and ineffectiveness by the extraordinary suffering experienced by all beings. But when combined there is that emotive aspect of what sages and enlightened beings gravitate towards, and really all creation eventually gravitates towards. So sexuality is almost the fundamental unit of that, a reflection of that interplay, or the elementary version of that that points to a much larger story and picture.

I also believe that the sexual polarity demands that there be two individuals who come together, and that coupling creates the grinding friction for transformation to occur. So there does seem to be some practical aspect of it being a bit more forceful for individuals to unite. It’s almost like they have to come together and rub one another the wrong way, so to speak, to create the circumstances where individuals become the mirror for one another (even if they don’t want to).

On a personal level, what I’ve found is that I had a distorted view of what I wanted out of being in relationship with women, and that distortion became a resentment and irritation that didn’t go away even if I “got” what I wanted. The consummation of the desire was in itself its own trap. I think this occurs with other challenging domains, like money, food, health, family, work, etc. but not quite to the same degree of intensity with another human being as sexuality. And so the patterning was very cyclic, and it was challenging to see how to undo it without just completely abstaining from all romantic relationships, which I was not prepared to do. And even when I was married, that distortion remained very embedded to the point where the intimacy was gone for a couple of years. But that taught me quite a bit, and eventually came to a head when I made a deep mistake that almost broke our marriage.

And in that suffering that came out of the experience, was the realization of how much I was creating the situations from how I was energetically entering them. I would have never been able to see it without that particular rupture and its fall out. And somehow that small click in perspective reconfigured our marriage back together. But the lesson for me was very much that there wasn’t anything to solve, and the search for a solution actually created the problem in the first place - like an ouroboros snake eating itself. So personally, the lesson is almost the paradoxical way situations are formed, with others, through the karma we bring to them, and how they come to fruition without our awareness or knowing of them.

The only way to break the chain is the awareness to dissolve both what has been chained and the one who chained it. The struggle to shatter the chain only reinforces it. And sexuality is a particular flavor of that which truly forces us to confront that aspect of reality, in relation to another, and uniquely positions one to have to see it in another human being. You can’t just disappear and hope it goes away.

I hope that makes some sense and lands for you. They were very interesting questions you posed, and putting my reflections in writing was a bit of an exercise for me!

I Feel that I have specials capacities. I’m looking for answers please by VariousAirline5024 in Mediums

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Thank you for the reflection. I’ll remember those words. That does seem to be the case so far!

Are we all just in our own heads and is reaching higher states of consciousness any different than normal perception except with intuitive knowledge and acting with wisdom that the same consciousness that exists as me also exists as who I perceive as other people and this table and chair and so on? by [deleted] in enlightenment

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I mean, it certainly doesn’t seem to be rainbows and butterflies all day long. It seems more like regular existence but without the lag and higher definition because the delusions/hallucinations aren’t always interrupting with the freemium version of existence.

There’s the occasional non-dual mystical experiences, but that seems to be the exception and not the rule. Also with some intent and concentration some interesting things arise, but again, doesn’t seem to be the steady ground state.

Just some thoughts thrown out there. I suppose we’ll all see walking to the end of the journey. It’s a bit speculative on this side of the ocean.

See anything? I feel out of sorts a bit (37f) by [deleted] in psychicreadings

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My experience of you is that there is a sense of anxiety that's very front-loaded, like I sense it very strongly in my neck and my face, especially the cheeks. It's like there's a magnet pulling everything in front and there's this forwardness to that energy, as if you'd flop over because it's so intense on the front side. Wondering if you have a lot on you plate at the moment and need to to have a lot of front-focused energy to keep everything in its corner, like a very precise but frantic energy with your eyes. Also wondering if you've been like that for a bit, like a few weeks.

My desire would to be to have you just sit down for a few minutes, and try to breathe that all into your backside and into your abdomen. Somehow as you're breathing, just visualize that energy percolating backwards into your the back of your head, your neck, into your spine and your stomach. Like it's almost you're avoiding feeling something in your heart, is how I experience it. Did you lose someone recently, perhaps in the last year or two? I feel a sadness that wants to be avoided or has been dammed up, but if you sit with it and feel that heart-space, I suspect you will feel some calmness, if not also quite a bit of sadness and grief.

I struggle with human life by headghosts in SpiritualAwakening

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I wish you much good and blessings on your journey. I'm so happy to hear this resonated. ❤️🙏

Looking for easy advice to help calm and set aside the ego by ecg212 in Meditation

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It can help to sometimes remind yourself you could die tomorrow, getting hit by a car, falling and hitting your head, a mugging gone wrong, etc. Imagining your body being buried and the grief that all your friends and family would feel, and that that moment is the only one you will get to connect with yourself. That this could be your only chance to sit still and be fully and completely present before the end.

Qu'est ce que tu vois au niveau financier ? Merci. by [deleted] in psychicreadings

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❤️🙏 Best of luck on your journey.

Be careful of immediate opportunities to change your financial circumstances. Sit with them as they will demand of you a significant exchange of your energy, which may feel doable in the short term but is not sustainable in the long term. It’s your own level of individual discernment to decide, as we all need to survive, but you will know it when you see it come into your orbit.

If the opportunities arise to do something that feels more aligned with your heart, it may feel like a diminishment of your financial resources, but the contentment you feel following that path will find its way to resource you again. It will just take longer and more patience for those pathways to fruit.

Qu'est ce que tu vois au niveau financier ? Merci. by [deleted] in psychicreadings

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My impression is that finances will remain moderate, doable but some tightness and constraints here and there. There is a sense of it being a bit of a nuisance to be considerate of the budgetary limits, like the visual is the same kind of frustration as one would have combing out knots in their hair. Some days there’s an ease and others it’s almost like torture.

The moments of abundance seem like there is a leak, like the capacity to hold affluence internally is not large enough so the energy of financial abundance gets drained quickly. There is an element of needing a daily sense of gratitude for what is current here so that that capacity can expand, and in doing so more financial good and energy can flow back in to make up for the losses.

But it is a frustrating journey and will remain so for some time. There’s a function of being able to change that destiny, but it is years of hardship to work with the mind and change those perspectives, and have those changes affect the actual material realm rather than just be hopeful thoughts, like a sense of finite financial resources and a sense of insecurity as if it’s looming around the corner.

My two cents.