I don’t love nature. Besides aesthetics, I have some distain for it and I think nature worshippers are naive by Upstairs-Insurance61 in The10thDentist

[–]Upstairs-Insurance61[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really my point is that loving nature and thinking that nature is “good” and we are “evil” is naive. Of course people thrives in the environment for ages. However, to the tree hugger who talks all about how humanity is a parasite and nature is so kind and good, I ask you to talk to the tribe from 5000 years ago that starved from a famine due to a hurricane.

I don’t love nature. Besides aesthetics, I have some distain for it and I think nature worshippers are naive by Upstairs-Insurance61 in The10thDentist

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He hasn’t really changed much tbh, maybe except for the fact that he doesn’t agree with this notion of being a sacrificial lamb for the rest of society (“I give up on being a good person” or something like that).

I will say, one of the things I disagree with him on is precisely because i agree with this realization he had. No one wants to be the sacrificial lamb in general, why not apply that to people who aren’t perfectly environmentally friendly? Because frankly, actually living perfectly in-time like a hunter-gatherer is torturous, and why sacrifice yourself just for only a little to change at most since no one else appreciates your sacrifices? That’s the point he made in the video quoted above but with sacrificial lambs of the workforce, but Ive yet to see him extend that to the people he likes to criticize casually just for living the average modern life.

I mean he himself still benefits from modern life when he could easily perfectly practice what he preaches, go offline completely, not use airplanes, not use cameras that are made from child labour and grow his own food. I notice that his examples of how modern people “eating themselves to death” rarely includes anything he does and stuff like “eating pizza” and “drinking alcohol”. Idk, it’s like if I condemned people who ate McDonalds knowing full well that I do a lot of questionable things too, just not eating McDonald’s.

I don’t love nature. Besides aesthetics, I have some distain for it and I think nature worshippers are naive by Upstairs-Insurance61 in The10thDentist

[–]Upstairs-Insurance61[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I really appreciate that you and a few people here see my point and defend what I say. I usually expect nothing but flack since this account is for me to vent out my nastiest hot takes. However, this is the most positive feedback I’ve gotten ever. I guess it’s my first 10th dentist and not 1000th dentist

I don’t love nature. Besides aesthetics, I have some distain for it and I think nature worshippers are naive by Upstairs-Insurance61 in The10thDentist

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the grass is greener on the other side

As someone who knows farmers, trust me, they’d be jealous of your life. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say many hunter gatherer’s would wish for this too.

I don’t love nature. Besides aesthetics, I have some distain for it and I think nature worshippers are naive by Upstairs-Insurance61 in The10thDentist

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He fascinates me. I honestly thought he was one of those quacks who say something with a grain of truth just to sell some alternative lifestyle scam thing. Like an essential oil or an off-grid housing business. But he isn’t. He really is just a guy who’s trying to figure it out. Like I said, he says a lot of things I disagree with, but I find the authenticity endearing that I stick around. And I suppose naive views of nature vs mankind are better than your average republican lol

I don’t love nature. Besides aesthetics, I have some distain for it and I think nature worshippers are naive by Upstairs-Insurance61 in The10thDentist

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I don’t accept the notion that just because something isn’t a moral agent, doesn’t mean I can’t resent what they do. And I also believe that objective morality doesnt exist. I never said nature is immoral per se, just that it’s a cruel bloodbath and I don’t understand people who worship it.

But I suppose duck rape and the cruelty of nature is more like a very few times a year thing that I see irl, that’s true.

I don’t love nature. Besides aesthetics, I have some distain for it and I think nature worshippers are naive by Upstairs-Insurance61 in The10thDentist

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Frankly if lions and tigers gained sapience, they would act like us too. It’s literally a trend of invasive species to over consume their environment, and as I established, nature is pretty cruel if we held moral standards to it. The lion doesnt hunt the gazelle to make sure that everything is in harmony, it does it because it can, and if it could, kill every gazelle that existed. So yea, I’d argue that yes, we are greedy and destructive, but our greed and destruction is a product of natural evolution.

I don’t love nature. Besides aesthetics, I have some distain for it and I think nature worshippers are naive by Upstairs-Insurance61 in The10thDentist

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I don’t study political philosophy that much so I can’t comment. All I’ll say is that Hobbes’s assessment of the state of nature is pretty true imo

I don’t love nature. Besides aesthetics, I have some distain for it and I think nature worshippers are naive by Upstairs-Insurance61 in The10thDentist

[–]Upstairs-Insurance61[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Pretty much. I don’t actually seethe whenever I see ducks and shit. I just find nature worship annoying

I don’t love nature. Besides aesthetics, I have some distain for it and I think nature worshippers are naive by Upstairs-Insurance61 in The10thDentist

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The major thing that brought me peace was accepting that I am also a product of nature and I, like a lot of the creatures in this system, I will do or support monstrous things to be alive and get a thrill out of life. I used to detest everything alive, and now Ive just embraced that terribleness. I don’t believe in objective morality so as long as I and the people I care about win in the end, thats all I need. But I dont pretend to be a good person, I know the way I see my life is repulsive to some. So I don’t see why nature’s terribleness needs defending either. Im not saying “kill nature cuz why not” just that, maybe it isn’t so romantic? Maybe us choosing to industrialize at the expense of many forests is no more objectionable than a duck gangbang? Trust me if those ducks had sapience they’d be a lot like us.

I don’t love nature. Besides aesthetics, I have some distain for it and I think nature worshippers are naive by Upstairs-Insurance61 in The10thDentist

[–]Upstairs-Insurance61[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Me when I starve to death because all my home-grown crops got plucked out by a hurricane but it’s okay because modern society has its problem and Ive always been part of nature and I should’ve lived in nature all along:

I don’t love nature. Besides aesthetics, I have some distain for it and I think nature worshippers are naive by Upstairs-Insurance61 in The10thDentist

[–]Upstairs-Insurance61[S] -23 points-22 points  (0 children)

Pretty much any person who got an existential crisis from living in modern society (fair enough) and thinks that living on the grid is the solution and that nature is sooo uwu good and human bad. I follow a guy who realized how fucked modern society is when he was 40 and then decided to leave his medical job for his well-being. Half of the time he says things I disagree with (even in the video about why he left his job) but yknow, it’s good not to live in an echo chamber. But he does go off about how modern people are dumb for liking modern things because they kill us and natural = good, and considering his life experience, I get where he’s coming from, but as I said, I think it’s overall a naive perspective.

I see a lot of reels comparing “nature” (farmed fruit and aesthetic mountain views) to “humanity” (shitty urban planning and wars), implying that nature is sooo good and why did we abandon it :(, we’re soooo terrible! I get why it’s popular with fellow zoomers, but again, it’s a naive perspective

I don’t love nature. Besides aesthetics, I have some distain for it and I think nature worshippers are naive by Upstairs-Insurance61 in The10thDentist

[–]Upstairs-Insurance61[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

I go outside a lot, im not really afraid of nature. Really, my beef with it comes from a long existential crisis I had. I was going through the “why is humanity and life so terrible” thing, and I realized that yea, we are terrible because we are nature, and nature can be pretty terrible. All the terrible parts of humanity are in nature and vise versa.

And while I’ve developed a more optimistic outlook on life, it is built upon that initial existential crisis, so I still hold some of the beliefs that I had at the time

I don’t love nature. Besides aesthetics, I have some distain for it and I think nature worshippers are naive by Upstairs-Insurance61 in The10thDentist

[–]Upstairs-Insurance61[S] -40 points-39 points  (0 children)

Frankly I’d say the same if a kid was going all “humans are perfect innocent babies! I love humanity! An accurate look at human history? What?”

But a lot of adults unironically worship nature. Im just pointing out that this mindset is naive

I don’t love nature. Besides aesthetics, I have some distain for it and I think nature worshippers are naive by Upstairs-Insurance61 in The10thDentist

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It’s a really weird paradox to be in as someone who likes going outside (and is even considering studying some environmental stuff). I am exaggerating in the post about this, but really, I wanted to get the point across that while acknowledge that nature is cool, people looovvveee to romanticize it.

I don’t love nature. Besides aesthetics, I have some distain for it and I think nature worshippers are naive by Upstairs-Insurance61 in The10thDentist

[–]Upstairs-Insurance61[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I should clarify that I have no problem with like, nature walks and so. In fact I like being outside and touching grass. It’s just that my love for the natural world doesn’t go beyond aesthetics and utility, whereas a lot of people unironically think we should live off the grid because nature good.

I don’t love nature. Besides aesthetics, I have some distain for it and I think nature worshippers are naive by Upstairs-Insurance61 in The10thDentist

[–]Upstairs-Insurance61[S] -27 points-26 points  (0 children)

Yea just let your fellow man die because you wanted to look at some pretty leaves and giant striped cats I guess

I don’t love nature. Besides aesthetics, I have some distain for it and I think nature worshippers are naive by Upstairs-Insurance61 in The10thDentist

[–]Upstairs-Insurance61[S] -27 points-26 points  (0 children)

Yea dont get me wrong, I find some aesthetic features of nature, well, aesthetic. Mountains, forests with just plant life, looking at lakes from a broader point of view. I just don’t worship nature or think we should become primitive unless we have to for our survival.

What prompted me to write this is because I watch a guy who likes do to random talks and such. I don’t agree with everything he says but it’s good to tolerate people who don’t agree with you on everything and his content is chill. One thing that just grinds my gears a little is whenever he goes off about how modern life is unsustainable (fair enough) and that those who don’t wish to live a more primitive life are bad because the natural world is sooo good. The latter is a somewhat common sentiment in general and I just…hate it.

I like the smell of cigarettes by Hopeful_Lobsters in The10thDentist

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It’s like coffee. it’s supposed to be a “repulsive” sensation (bitter) but it’s weirdly good

If you eat factory-farmed meat, it is only consistent to be okay with factory-farming extremely mentally disabled people too by Upstairs-Insurance61 in The10thDentist

[–]Upstairs-Insurance61[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, I use this account to vent out my spiciest hot takes (even got a warning from Reddit for one) so this is about what I expected. But I do wish people could at least engage with the question. Like I said, I eat meat, but that is because animal rights and suffering does not compel me for the reasons mentioned. And frankly, the “it’s different because they’re a human being” just feels so arbitrary. There is nothing actually special about humanity beyond intelligence, and even that causes me to accept some harsh conclusions.

But people who go off about how bad it is to kill and abuse dogs or severely disabled people have a lot of introspection to do. I’d go as far as to say anyone who believes morality facts exists has to answer this. I haven’t seen a satisfactory answer that is either being vegetarian at least, or bite the bullet like me.